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'Shocking' Granny Video

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  • #62
    weemcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭weemcd


    WindSock wrote: »
    She asked him for the ticket to sign, I thought :confused:


    Sign something ya, she does say that, the video is very badly edited though, hard to get an idea of exactly what happened.


  • #63
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    beardo81 wrote: »

    Typical bloody woman..........

    Obviously she was being complacent. She did not deserve that kind of force. The 'professionally' trained police officer needs to go back to school and learn how to work on not escalating a problem with diplomacy.


  • #64
    robinph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    WindSock wrote: »
    She was of no threat to him. Even if she was a 25 year old well built male acting like that the taser was uncalled for. (EDIT: Just seen weemcd made the same point there.)
    Not suggesting that she was a threat to him.

    She resisted arrest, he threatened to taser her, she said "go on then taser me", he tasered her.

    Why should he risk injury to himself in order to arrest an idiotic old woman? If he'd physically tried to restrain her then he'd have possibly ended up with arms lashing out at him and possibly a knee to the nuts, far safer for him to take her down froma distance with zero risk to himself.

    His priority is his own safety, not hers.


  • #65
    funk-you
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭funk-you


    Davei141 wrote: »
    We are probably not going to agree on the methods no matter what.

    I'll agree with you on that one:) No point going around in circles.

    -Funk


  • #66
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    robinph wrote: »
    His priority is his own safety, not hers.

    One of the reasons stated for tazering her was that he was scared she would be hit by traffic :rolleyes:


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  • #67
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    robinph wrote: »

    She resisted arrest, he threatened to taser her, she said "go on then taser me", he tasered her.

    So he takes orders from the public now? If she said 'go ahead shoot me', should he shoot her?


  • #68
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Zillah wrote: »
    A man trained to subdue a person physically, when he is twice her size and probably four times as strong as her, could have forced her to comply by handcuffing her with almost no risk of injury whatsoever. Worst case scenario he strains her wrist or shoulder if she writhes like a mofo.

    ehh..no. Just no and we'll leave it there
    Zillah wrote: »
    They are potentially lethal weapons who's training teaches that they be deployed as non-lethal weapons.

    Hmm.. I'm trying to think of a non lethal weapon..The pillow? risk of smothering. Weapons are lethal to some degree by their very definition. You probably meant less-than-lethal, which the taser is.


  • #69
    Lord Trollington
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,451 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    robinph wrote: »
    Not suggesting that she was a threat to him.

    She resisted arrest, he threatened to taser her, she said "go on then taser me", he tasered her.

    Why should he risk injury to himself in order to arrest an idiotic old woman? If he'd physically tried to restrain her then he'd have possibly ended up with arms lashing out at him and possibly a knee to the nuts, far safer for him to take her down froma distance with zero risk to himself.

    His priority is his own safety, not hers.

    Ha ha ha, i've heard it all now....
    A 72 year old women that could take down a Police officer.
    Ha ha ha, i'm choking on my saliva here....
    Take her down from a distance...??? Ha ha ha
    I'd say if she swung you'd have time to go and get a Big Mac, come back and then duck and get out of the way...


  • #70
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    whycliff wrote: »
    Ha ha ha, i've heard it all now....
    A 72 year old women that could take down a Police officer.
    Ha ha ha, i'm choking on my saliva here....
    Take her down from a distance...??? Ha ha ha
    I'd say if she swung you'd have time to go and get a Big Mac, come back and then duck and get out of the way...

    Ive seen some pretty stupid posts on AH, but this takes the biscuit.

    Whycliff, are you saying he should have rugby tackled her to the ground?

    Did you read the entire thread?


  • #71
    The Maverick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭The Maverick


    Seeing as this is America,she should be thankful he didn't just shoot her 47 times.


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  • #72
    nitrogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 698 ✭✭✭nitrogen


    I'm torn on this one - some good arguments from both sides. This wouldn't have made the news if a guy in his twenties resisted arrest, but the points against seem to be more against tasering rather that this incident. I feel we're missing something from the video.

    The lesson here though (Especially since I just watched Das Experiment) is to be very wary of the law, bite your tongue, do what your told because you're not dealing with a logical rational scientist.


  • #73
    robinph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    WindSock wrote: »
    So he takes orders from the public now? If she said 'go ahead shoot me', should he shoot her?

    That was only to make the point that she was fully aware of what was about to happen and still carried on with her resisting arrest. For her then to claim it was unexpected or unwarranted is really grasping at straws as she had been fully warned of the consequenses and what his next course of action was likely to be.
    whycliff wrote: »
    Ha ha ha, i've heard it all now....
    A 72 year old women that could take down a Police officer.
    Ha ha ha, i'm choking on my saliva here....
    Take her down from a distance...??? Ha ha ha
    I'd say if she swung you'd have time to go and get a Big Mac, come back and then duck and get out of the way...
    I never said that she would be able to take him down. She would be perfectly capable of injuring him in somw way though if he had to resort to physically restraining her whilst she was still non compliant with his commands.

    Why should he risk personal injury when there is a much safer course of action for him to take?


  • #74
    Porkpie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Porkpie


    Would people have reacted with such shock (sorry) if it was a young hoodlum? Granny or not, she was being an aggressive old bag. Serves her right.


  • #75
    weemcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭weemcd


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNPuVh5eACw


    Full news story about the incident and the dash mounted camera shows a bit more of the altercation.

    From what I can see this re-enforces my opinion that she resisted arrest and restraint several times, from what I can see she has no case here as she knew what was going to happen.

    Like the way in her statement to the news she says "i was not arguementative, I was not combative, all of this is a lie" BEFORE the video was released to the public, also love the way she sounds like a cat towards the end :D


  • #76
    Lord Trollington
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,451 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    syklops wrote: »
    Ive seen some pretty stupid posts on AH, but this takes the biscuit.

    Whycliff, are you saying he should have rugby tackled her to the ground?

    Did you read the entire thread?

    skylops i'm not saying anything, i'll allow you to jump to whatever conclusions you wish, just having a good old laugh at his post about the ninja granny.. thats all!!


  • #77
    Blazer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,540 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    Christ..I'd love to have a taser and zap the auld biatches as they count out €17.56 in coppers at any shop i go to.....

    "U fcukin cvnt...give her the €20 you're clenching in your other hand" I be mentally roaring at them :mad:
    Then scream in agony as 10 minutes later the old cvnt realises she's short €2 and hands in the twenty...:mad:

    in fact I'd taser em twice just for pissing me off. :eek:


  • #78
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    "I'm a 72 year old woman"

    Gives you no right to act like a ****. She asked for it anyway.


  • #79
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    funk-you wrote: »
    The risk of that is far less than using a taser. It's also mainly the head injuries that he should be concerned with. Police are to use 'reasonable' force, and to be honest his response was neither resonable or proportional.
    I'd like to see the stats on that, if 50 or w/e it is people died due to tazer in 70-100 million arrests, how many died when just being restrained and handcuffed manually?


  • #80
    Fiend-Foe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭Fiend-Foe


    Lucky bastard.

    I'd give my left nut to be able to tase a granny :(


  • #81
    Lirange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭Lirange


    weemcd wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNPuVh5eACw


    Full news story about the incident and the dash mounted camera shows a bit more of the altercation.

    From what I can see this re-enforces my opinion that she resisted arrest and restraint several times, from what I can see she has no case here as she knew what was going to happen.

    Like the way in her statement to the news she says "i was not arguementative, I was not combative, all of this is a lie" BEFORE the video was released to the public, also love the way she sounds like a cat towards the end :D
    Also not on the more condensed BBC clip linked by the OP: "I Dare you" (2:07)

    She was hell bent on provoking an incident of some sort. It wasn't going to end well regardless of what he did.


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  • #82
    nomorebadtown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 634 ✭✭✭nomorebadtown


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKohyVJYiEU

    In fairness to the cop, at 0:01 he says "step back or you're gonna be tased" and he gives her repeated warnings after this all of which she ignores. She is living in the US for over 70 years, she should know how american law enforcment tends to (over)react. Having said that, it's obviously a gross over-reaction on his part and completely unprofessional and irresponsible to tase an unarmed tiny 70 year old woman. All in all, a highly amusing snippet of americana..0:50 - pwned:D


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