ETag loyalty cards issued by Centra in Ennis.

Run_to_da_hills · 11-06-2009 02:14PM #1

I got quite a surprise to see Centra on the Gort road issuing out electronic RFID based key fob loyalty cards. Simply attach it to your key ring, at the cash register it is touched off a pad.

This is a first that I have seen for this technology in a supermarket and I am surprised that the larger retail chains like Tesco and Dunnes did not beet them to it.

This is just an example of how these devices will disclose your whole life style unknowingly as you go shopping. :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx7kPgtvM8s

bonkey · 11-06-2009 02:20PM

Given that it needs to be touched off a pad, one can surmise that its effective range is in teh order of cm, if not less.

Thus, it exposes about as much of your lifestyle as an "old-fashioned" barcode-based loyalty-card did, and less then frequently paying by plastic does.

wobzilla · 11-06-2009 02:28PM

most musgraves shops have them now (supervalu & centra).
you don't collect stamps for getaway breaks anymore, they just go onto that card. pretty annoying as i used to always take the stamps from work

11-06-2009 02:46PM

But that video has nothing to do with the Rfid tag you're describing.

And what evidence to you have to suggest that your shopping habit or your "whole lifestyle"? Or that any information that this rfid tag might store will be shared with anyone?

Or is this just an irrational fear of rfid?

Run_to_da_hills · 11-06-2009 03:51PM

bonkey wrote: »

Given that it needs to be touched off a pad, one can surmise that its effective range is in teh order of cm, if not less.

Thus, it exposes about as much of your lifestyle as an "old-fashioned" barcode-based loyalty-card did, and less then frequently paying by plastic does.

Those tags work off a passive RFID 13.56 MHZ frequency, similar to transit smart cards, the effective range can be several feet given the right equipment, the range of the scanners used by supermarket chains as you say may only be a few milimeters.

robtri · 11-06-2009 03:55PM

why oh why is this a CT.... nothing new here over the barcode ones...
do the exact same job...
or is how many litres of milk I buy a threat to national security....

studiorat · 11-06-2009 07:18PM

Spar man myself. Particularly fond or their crunchy muesli...
I suppose you always have the choice to not get a centra loyalty card if you are afraid of big brother watching what you buy.

thecommander · 11-06-2009 08:24PM

What's Centra conspiring to do?

espinolman · 11-06-2009 08:53PM

robtri wrote: »

why oh why is this a CT.... nothing new here over the barcode ones...
do the exact same job...
or is how many litres of milk I buy a threat to national security....

Don't you know that Hitler used the barcode on people in nazi germany , do you not realise that the NWO are trying to train us to pass our hands over the scanner , this is very serious .:(

Run_to_da_hills · 11-06-2009 08:58PM

robtri wrote: »

why oh why is this a CT.... nothing new here over the barcode ones...
do the exact same job...
or is how many litres of milk I buy a threat to national security....

I think we can now accept that Barcodes, RFID, Etagging all reside in the CT Forum, at least where it will all lead up to.

thecommander wrote: »

What's Centra conspiring to do?

Record all your purchasing habits on a database. :pac:

11-06-2009 09:01PM

espinolman wrote: »

Don't you know that Hitler used the barcode on people in nazi germany ,

No he didn't. Shows how much you know.

espinolman wrote: »

do you not see that they are trying to train us to pass our hands over the scanner , this is very serious , it is not a joke .:(

By giving us a optional promotion to win a prize in which no personal information is gathered stored or used?
Yea that's the exact same as mandatory rfid tags.

11-06-2009 09:02PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Record all your purchasing habits on a database. :pac:

You going to back that up?
OR are you just making stuff up as usual?

espinolman · 11-06-2009 09:41PM

King Mob wrote: »

No he didn't. Shows how much you know.

No , shows how much you know .

Now it was a similar technology , ok today it is more advanced but basically the same idea .

IBM and the holocaust
http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/

11-06-2009 09:48PM

espinolman wrote: »

No , shows how much you know .:D

Now it was a similar technology , ok today it is more advanced but basically the same idea .

IBM and the holocaust
http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/

Well considering the Bar code wasn't patented till 1949.
And that the Nazi's used something completely different entirely.

I don't think you can say they used bar codes.

Also there's a huge difference between the system used on the jews is completely different to how bar codes are used now.
And it's even more different than what Rtdh is exaggerating.

In fact, bringing the holocaust up has nothing to do with what we're talking about at all.

espinolman · 11-06-2009 10:01PM

King Mob wrote: »

Well considering the Bar code wasn't patented till 1949.
And that the Nazi's used something completely different entirely.

I don't think you can say they used bar codes.

Ok , but it was similar.

King Mob wrote: »

Also there's a huge difference between the system used on the jews is completely different to how bar codes are used now.

Oh , nice , did you slip up there , you wrote " to how bar codes are used now "

King Mob wrote: »

In fact, bringing the holocaust up has nothing to do with what we're talking about at all.

Am i on the wrong forum ? I thought this was the conspiracy theories forum !

11-06-2009 10:12PM

espinolman wrote: »

Ok , but it was similar.

But not like it's used now.
One was a involuntary system to track people of a certain race to take away their freedom. While the other is a voluntary system to make moving, storing and buying products easier.
You can see the difference right?

espinolman wrote: »

Oh , nice , did you slip up there , you wrote " to how bar codes are used now "

And I differentiated it from the system that was used on the Jews.

espinolman wrote: »

Am i on the wrong forum ? I thought this was the conspiracy theories forum !

So yep comparing the holocaust to a prize draw in Centra is about par for the course in here.

Run_to_da_hills · 11-06-2009 10:12PM

King Mob wrote: »

You going to back that up?
OR are you just making stuff up as usual?

I don't need to, you should know already about EU Data retention. 2 years.

11-06-2009 10:15PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I don't need to, you should know already about EU Data retention. 2 years.

And how do you know that this prize draw falls under that law?
Or that it actually store any data on what you purchase?
Or that they ever look at that information if it's stored at all?

And what's forcing you to actually use this at all?

thecommander · 11-06-2009 10:26PM

King Mob wrote: »

And what's forcing you to actually use this at all?

Have you not seen the prizes?

3 piece luggage set
Carriage clock
& a chest of drawers.

espinolman · 11-06-2009 10:43PM

thecommander wrote: »

Have you not seen the prizes?

3 piece luggage set
Carriage clock
& a chest of drawers.

See , they don't need to make it mandatory , people will fall over themselves to get it .
Ah don't you see , they are using the carrot on a stick technique to bring in RFID .

Run_to_da_hills · 11-06-2009 11:40PM

King Mob wrote: »

And what's forcing you to actually use this at all?

Wouldn't you use one of these devices if you can get a latte and a dough-nut for e2.50 instead of e2.70, they also use the same discounting scam with the Eazipas Westlink toll plaza and Oyster to win customers over to this invasive technology.

12-06-2009 12:16AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Wouldn't you use one of these devices if you can get a latte and a dough-nut for e2.50 instead of e2.70, they also use the same discounting scam with the Eazipas Westlink toll plaza and Oyster to win customers over to this invasive technology.

How is it a scam exactly?
And it's still not mandatory.

And you going to address any of my other points?
Or back up any of your claims?

12-06-2009 12:22AM

espinolman wrote: »

See , they don't need to make it mandatory , people will fall over themselves to get it .
Ah don't you see , they are using the carrot on a stick technique to bring in RFID .

But there's a bit of difference between the scenario Rtdh is making up and this promotion isn't there?

One if a ridiculous claim that they will monitor everything about your life. The other is a completely voluntary tag that keeps count of how tokens you have.

espinolman · 12-06-2009 12:53AM

King Mob wrote: »

But there's a bit of difference between the scenario Rtdh is making up and this promotion isn't there?

RFID is being brought in incrementally .

Run_to_da_hills · 12-06-2009 01:02AM

King Mob wrote: »

One if a ridiculous claim that they will monitor everything about your life. The other is a completely voluntary tag that keeps count of how tokens you have.

They will monitor every detail of who ever is gullible enough to use them. Particularly when cash is tight, more and more people will turn to what ever will save them a few bob at the end of fthe week, Loyalty cards being one of them. May be voluntary, so was the option to using Oyster when it came out, now 80% + of London commuters now use registered smart cards. And all their movements are monitored just like your purchasing habits are when you use any sort of registered loyalty card. :rolleyes:

Another interesting thing, these electronic loyalt cards are key fob, in other words less chance of forgetting it.

12-06-2009 01:41AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They will monitor every detail of who ever is gullible enough to use them. Particularly when cash is tight, more and more people will turn to what ever will save them a few bob at the end of fthe week, Loyalty cards being one of them. May be voluntary, so was the option to using Oyster when it came out, now 80% + of London commuters now use registered smart cards. And all their movements are monitored just like your purchasing habits are when you use any sort of registered loyalty card. :rolleyes:

Another interesting thing, these electronic loyalt cards are key fob, in other words less chance of forgetting it.

So that's a no on the rest of the points then?

What evidence do you have that the promotion in Centra tracks any personal information at all?
Or are you just making it because there RFID involved?

12-06-2009 01:41AM

espinolman wrote: »

RFID is being brought in incrementally .

So Centra is part of the NWO/Lizards now?

But really who isn't at this stage?

Run_to_da_hills · 12-06-2009 11:09AM

King Mob wrote: »

So that's a no on the rest of the points then?

What evidence do you have that the promotion in Centra tracks any personal information at all?
Or are you just making it because there RFID involved?

I already explained myself, under the retention of data act, Centra are obliged to hold digital records for up to two years irrespective of method they use for scanning whether its barcode, magnetic strip or RFID, once they hold details on an individual and store them over a network. These records can be accessed by the relevant authorities should they be required.

The bodies which are able to access retained data in the United Kingdom are listed in the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA). The EU would not be too far behind.

Police forces (as defined in section 81(1) of RIPA)
National Criminal Intelligence Service
National Crime Squad
HM Customs and Excise
Inland Revenue
Security Service
Secret Intelligence Service
Government Communications Headquarters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_data_retention

humanji · 12-06-2009 12:10PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I already explained myself, under the retention of data act, Centra are obliged to hold digital records for up to two years irrespective of method they use for scanning whether its barcode, magnetic strip or RFID, once they hold details on an individual and store them over a network. These records can be accessed by the relevant authorities should they be required.

I was under the impression that the data retention act specifies that they can only keep the data for 2 years, not that they must keep it for 2 years.

rmacm · 12-06-2009 12:47PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I already explained myself, under the retention of data act, Centra are obliged to hold digital records for up to two years irrespective of method they use for scanning whether its barcode, magnetic strip or RFID, once they hold details on an individual and store them over a network. These records can be accessed by the relevant authorities should they be required.

According to that wikipedia link you posted

The Directive as adopted covers fixed telephony, mobile telephony, Internet access, Internet email and Internet telephony.

It applies to telecoms operators and ISPs, I don't see any mention of commercial retailers like Centra being required to hold on to data on what their customers have purchased.

If you don't want a loyalty card don't get one granted I'm not sure if I'd care if Centra were recording my preference for Benson & Hedges and bottles of coke.

DubTony · 12-06-2009 01:33PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote:

Record all your purchasing habits on a database.

King Mob wrote: »

You going to back that up?
OR are you just making stuff up as usual?

When you use loyalty card in a shop these days all your purchases are logged. You can even pinpoint when a customer has stopped buying an item he or she used to buy on a regular basis.

I watched a presentation about a year ago on one of these systems, and the amount of information collected was amazing. Apart from the info the customer gives, their buying habits could be broken down into groups of product, whether a customer preferred branded or own brand goods, what time of day they were most likely to be in the store, did they shop in the most profitable part of the store etc.etc.

It was suggested that the information be used to improve customer service and so lead to more loyal customers.

There's information alright, lots of it, and it includes buying habits ... right down to times of day and what gum you favour.

ETag loyalty cards issued by Centra in Ennis.

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