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Can people be "serious" on After Hours?

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  • #32
    stepbar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭stepbar


    phasers wrote: »
    ...No?

    Rhetorical question?


  • #33
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    seanybiker wrote: »
    As people have said already. If it wasnt Irish people involved it would be a free for all.
    Anyone who said that is wrong.


  • #34
    Earthhorse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,728 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    tech77 wrote: »
    Yeah, i'm still waiting for one of our AH humour heros to make a joke in one of those boardsie bereavement threads that crop up now and then in AH.
    Nothing like proximity to ensure seriousness.
    "Everything funny or nothing funny" me ar$e.
    Reeks of half-hearted self-suiting, hypocrisy tbh.

    This is it in a nutshell.


  • #35
    b28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭b28


    First of all, remember the killing of the catholic man in norther ireland this week?

    how many people here joke about that?

    Or maybe someone killed in a car accident?

    Or a major earthquake?

    Oh wait a catastrophic aviation disaster?

    Fair enuf, freedom of speech and all that! But can you imagine having the same comment made here expressed face to face in a social sitting or to the group? or saying it at the supermarket counter with loads listening?
    I'd expect you'd feel pretty damn uncomfortable with all the dirty looks you get or asked to leave, or maybe you wouldn't mind if you were a unsociable vegetable!

    the internets freedom to write comments isn't reality! its people acting who they really are behind computer sceens! freedom of speech of course! but cop on and have some consideration for others, unless you're retarded

    my point being, people should try and encourage good civil behaviour online about tragic events as they would at a funeral and keep their jokes to themselves. remember, a family member may google the story and once they read the page you all left comments on, they might feel way worse! think!


  • #36
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    What makes me laugh about these threads is that they want to cherry pick the bits out of AH discussions that suit you.

    There are any number of forums that you can discuss the issues of the day in, so why not post there?

    Answer: because people are afraid to go over to the 'serious' forum where you have to back up what you say and they prefer to get splenetic about the issues of the day here - which I personally love. They want to rant here and make full use of the freedom of AH to absolve themselves of any recourse to facts or reason, but paradoxically, they then try and get all killjoy and stop other people using the same freedom to make bad taste jokes.

    AH isn't primarily a forum for debate-lite. Get over it.


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  • #37
    RonMexico
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭RonMexico


    Ok some comments were bad but in all fairness what the hell do you expect here? It is like complaing about drunk people in a bar. It goes with the territory.


  • #38
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    shenanigans1982 wrote: »
    Either everything is ok to make fun of or nothing is.
    Overheal wrote: »
    Theres a line, with everything. The lolocaust has a line. The Thunderdome ffs has a line. And AH also has a line. Making ridicule of the tragically deceased is typically one of those lines in AH.

    As Overheal says there is a line for everything. The line in AH is like the lane markings on the Red Cow* interchange/junction/roundabout or whatever it is this week. It moves in every thread.

    Some people find it harder to gauge whether a comment is ok in one thread and not ok in another. Others seem to intuitively know what the imaginary boundaries are in each thread. If you think you're one of the former, the safest thing to do is not be the one to push the boundaries. Let somebody else dip their toe in the water and if the reaction's ok then follow if you want.

    A simple enough rule of thumb is that if it's close to home, for example if Irish people have died (no that's not hypocrisy or double-standards btw), then tread a little bit more carefully and bear in mind that some people might know the deceased personally. We have had instances of relatives of the dead reading threads here. Just bear in mind how you or your family might feel if they read the comment you're about to post about someone else if it was about your family.

    With that said there is almost always a more suitable forum for posting these kind of stories and you post a sensitive subject in After Hours at your own risk. It's not the free for all forum but neither is it Oprah. Not everybody is going to be on your side. Not everybody is going to see it the same way as you. Not everybody is going to care. If you can't handle that then this isn't the forum for you and I make no apologies for that.


    *to the contrary country folk, I know you know what that is so don't even bother with the "Red Cow, Limerick?" "Red Cow, Adelaide?" malarkey.


  • #39
    Kirnsy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 970 ✭✭✭Kirnsy


    Well would people be interested in :

    a) a sub forum of AH for more serious discussion?
    b)a Current affairs forum specifically for serious discussion?

    I agree with the people who thought the Air France thread was tainted with a few nasty malicious posts. There have been numerous other 'serious' topics that have faced the same problems.

    However

    I also agree with Terry in saying that the forum is what the posters have made it. ie There are plenty of posters who find those comments funny (and i have laughed at a few myself).

    IMO there is nothing wrong with AH and it is a brilliant forum, but i think there maybe a market for a sub forum or another forum catering for the needs of posters who'd like to discuss some of the same threads without the jokes.

    Opinions?! or just tl;dr.....:p


  • #40
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,822 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    stepbar wrote: »
    After the shameful posts on the Air France thread, I think there's an argument for keeping threads like that off After Hours. I hate to use the word serious per se, as I believe After Hours should be a place where matters of the day should be discussed in a less serious way. But posters should practice some restraint and cop on. I mean some of the posts were just shameful. It seems to me no matter the discussion, some muppets will always try to take things down a level in order to create hatred and bad feeling. I'm all for people expressing an opinion and all that goes along with same, but there's a fine line. I just wish some people would cop the fcuk on.

    Wait there was a serious thread in the aviation forum for those who wanted serious discussion. Could you not have discussed it there. Why ruin other people's fun because it disgusts you?
    The internet has plenty of room on it and luckily we can fit two different lines of discussion on the same topic on boards.

    Unless your real problem is not the lack of a serious place to discuss issues but rather people not willing to impose your morals and ethics upon themselves. How egotistical an attitude that would be.


  • #41
    seanybiker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    think soccer forum had the right idea. Can we have a closed after hours forum where we have to ask for permission and read the rules . Make it state that we will not through our dummies outta the pram because we know the forum is for general piss taking. Be handier


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  • #42
    b28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭b28


    You can let off steam by doing exercise or doing something else! using an internet forum to make silly offensive comments is very sad and to me its says that person doesn't get out much, or is very young, or just doesn't get social cues as quick as the average person(or lacks something in their life)


  • #43
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Kirnsy wrote: »
    Well would people be interested in :

    a) a sub forum of AH for more serious discussion?
    b)a Current affairs forum specifically for serious discussion?

    I agree with the people who thought the Air France thread was tainted with a few nasty malicious posts. There have been numerous other 'serious' topics that have faced the same problems.

    However

    I also agree with Terry in saying that the forum is what the posters have made it. ie There are plenty of posters who find those comments funny (and i have laughed at a few myself).

    IMO there is nothing wrong with AH and it is a brilliant forum, but i think there maybe a market for a sub forum or another forum catering for the needs of posters who'd like to discuss some of the same threads without the jokes.

    Opinions?! or just tl;dr.....:p

    A current affairs forum has been suggested several times before (a cursory search in the Forums forum gave at least 4 threads). I think the problem is that humanities sounds too lofty and theoretical and politics doesn't and shouldn't cover certain things such as the Air France disaster.

    The aviation forum is fine and dandy but I don't think it's necessarily the place for it either, at least not in the way that many people would want to discuss it.

    Why not dig up one of the old Forums threads and add your support and reasoning to it? Or start a new one. The ones I saw had a fairly dismal showing of support tbh.


  • #44
    jester77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_KIzbktgJk


  • #45
    stepbar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭stepbar


    like clockwork! wrote: »
    Who cares, its just the internet.
    shenanigans1982 wrote: »
    Either everything is ok to make fun of or nothing is.
    Ah-Watch wrote: »
    I love this forum as it does give me a laugh but have to agree with the OP, peoples attitude to the air france flight was disgraceful, i don't mind a banter but when someone asked for a bit of sensitivity they were told to go discuss it in the aviation forum if they wanted to be serious. I'm from the same town as one of them, maybe you'd call it biased-though i never knew her i do think its bad form. However yes as overheal said people said they can be serious but often choose not to.
    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Wait there was a serious thread in the aviation forum for those who wanted serious discussion. Could you not have discussed it there. Why ruin other people's fun because it disgusts you?
    The internet has plenty of room on it and luckily we can fit two different lines of discussion on the same topic on boards.

    Unless your real problem is not the lack of a serious place to discuss issues but rather people not willing to impose your morals and ethics upon themselves. How egotistical an attitude that would be.

    I have no problem having a "light hearted" dicussion. But when it borders on the downright discusting I have a problem. As someone said earlier, there could be family members or other people who knew these people directly looking at this. As 10% of posts on boards are posted through this forum, I don't think its too much to ask for posters to have a bit of cop on regarding sensitive issues like this.


  • #46
    b28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭b28


    Lets be blunt about this, the only way to "filter" is to set up a forum allowing derogatory comments relating to a tradgic or unsavoury events.
    How about setting up a sadistic jokes catagory!

    People would think twice next time when talking about the people who suffered in that. just like teaching a nightmare child good manners lol


  • #47
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    seanybiker wrote: »
    think soccer forum had the right idea. Can we have a closed after hours forum where we have to ask for permission and read the rules . Make it state that we will not through our dummies outta the pram because we know the forum is for general piss taking. Be handier

    Considering the traffic we get in AH compared to the level of trouble I think that would a) be too much effort for b) stifle the forum and c) be unnecessary.

    The italicised words are Yore and Ma.


  • #48
    b28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭b28


    I'm glad to know at least ur on my wavelenght stepbar!

    I know i've made ridiculous comments online before, but I'd never mock anybody who died. as life is precious to me, and if one of the girls who died was my sister and i retaliated in on the AH forum after reading the comments in what many would describe as an "understandable" way, i'd get banned before anyone!

    even though i probably wouldn't even be on the internet.


  • #49
    Ruu_Old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭Ruu_Old


    You are talking to the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel, After Hours is a place where they can unleash.:)


  • #50
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    b28 wrote: »
    I'm glad to know at least ur on my wavelenght stepbar!

    Good. You can run off holding hands to the Humanities forum together, and increase the traffic over there by a good 25% percent.


  • #51
    b28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭b28


    Ruu wrote: »
    You are talking to the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel

    that and people with potentially jungle like manners and a problem getting on with people


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  • #52
    Aidric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,598 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    I like the craic on here as much as the next person but some of the stuff in the Air France thread was despicable and in poor taste, certainly not funny.


  • #53
    stepbar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭stepbar


    stovelid wrote: »
    Good. You can run off holding hands to the Humanities forum together, and increase the traffic over there by a good 25% percent.

    Glad to see you agree with some of the posts on the Air France thread. Thanks for clarifying that.


  • #54
    Kirnsy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 970 ✭✭✭Kirnsy


    javaboy wrote: »
    A current affairs forum has been suggested several times before (a cursory search in the Forums forum gave at least 4 threads). I think the problem is that humanities sounds too lofty and theoretical and politics doesn't and shouldn't cover certain things such as the Air France disaster.

    The aviation forum is fine and dandy but I don't think it's necessarily the place for it either, at least not in the way that many people would want to discuss it.

    Why not dig up one of the old Forums threads and add your support and reasoning to it? Or start a new one. The ones I saw had a fairly dismal showing of support tbh    .

    Yeah i've noticed that now. I wasn't trying to hijack the thread or anything i was genuinely curious to see if people are feeling that way.

    Im of the same opinion that sometimes the Humanities or politics forums can be a bit intimidating while for example the aviation forum is for people who are interested in Aviation, which could focus on technical faults etc (regarding the Air France tragedy) rather than just common chit chat.


  • #55
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    OP.
    Look no one frogmarches a poster into AHs and tells them they must keep reading a thread that has posts that annoy them.
    If it's really bad report the post, if it's just that you disagree with the posting style of certain users just use the ignore button.
    That's what it is there for, so you don't have to see stuff that gets your back up.:pac:


  • #56
    b28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭b28


    stovelid wrote: »
    Good. You can run off holding hands to the Humanities forum together, and increase the traffic over there by a good 25% percent.

    Wow, 2 thanks for that:eek:

    Maybe I'll check that forum. thanks for pointing that out.


  • #57
    stepbar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭stepbar


    Sharpshooter wrote: »
    OP.
    Look no one frogmarches a poster into AHs and tells them they must keep reading a thread that has posts that annoy them.
    If it's really bad report the post, if it's just that you disagree with the posting style of certain users just use the ignore button.
    That's what it is there for, so you don't have to see stuff that gets your back up.:pac:

    There's more than me that disagrees with the posting style of some posters. The ignore button means jack sh1te. The fact that someone went to the bother of making such a post says something in itself.


  • #58
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    stepbar wrote: »
    Glad to see you agree with some of the posts on the Air France thread. Thanks for clarifying that.

    I didn't read it. Disaster jokes I generally don't mind, but that's just me.

    I'm like most people when it comes to distasteful jokes. I find some funny, and some genuinely turn my stomach. It's often utterly random and no doubt hypocritical. Sometimes I'm annoyed enough to point it out on a strictly per-post basis, but never enough that I would have the cheek to try and fashion AH to my own moral tastes.


  • #59
    b28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭b28


    I am a fully qualified Aircraft Mechanic, and the level of comments on the air france thread makes me think those commenters are scum. ignorance is bliss remember that saying!

    I say ignorance because they know very little about the modern aircraft and yet make some stupid ignorant, jungle raised like comment that tarnishes my positive expectations regarding the support of the online community with this situation!


  • #60
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    stepbar wrote: »
    There's more than me that disagrees with the posting style of some posters. The ignore button means jack sh1te. The fact that someone went to the bother of making such a post says something in itself.

    Why?
    If it gives you the option of tuning out posters that annoy you why not take advantage of it.:pac:


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  • #61
    stepbar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭stepbar


    stovelid wrote: »
    I didn't read it. Disaster jokes I generally don't mind, but that's just me.

    I'm like most people when it comes to distasteful jokes. I find some funny, and some genuinely turn my stomach. It's often utterly random and no doubt hypocritical. Sometimes I'm annoyed enough to point it out on a strictly per-post basis, but never enough that I would have the cheek to try and fashion AH to my own moral tastes.

    It could be argued that some people have no morals then. Trying to defend posts like that is just mindboggling TBH.


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