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Pro life murder

  • 01-06-2009 07:21AM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Police have captured the man they say is responsible for the murder of a controversial American doctor who provided late-term abortions.

    George Tiller was shot dead outside his church

    Dr Tiller and the scene of the shooting in Kansas

    Scott Roeder, 51, was detained 170 miles from the scene where the doctor was shot dead at a Lutheran Church in Wichita, Kansas.

    Roeder was detained three hours after the Sunday shooting in suburban Kansas City.

    His victim, 67-year-old Dr George Tiller, was one of the few doctors who still terminated late-term pregnancies in the United States.

    Dr Tiller was demonised by abortion opponents, who regularly protested outside his Wichita clinic.

    President Obama expressed shock and outrage at his murder.

    He said: "However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence."

    There was no immediate word on the motive of Dr Tiller's killer.

    But his violent death was the latest in a string of shootings and bombings over two decades directed against abortion clinics, doctors and staff.

    Dr Tiller had already been on the receiving end of a series of violent incidents. In 1986, a bomb was placed on the roof of his clinic, seriously damaging the building.

    In 1993, he was shot in both arms outside the clinic. He recovered and his attacker was given an 11-year prison term.

    Some 2,000 protesters were also arrested outside the clinic during summer-long demonstrations in 1991.

    Dr Tiller was acquitted in March on charges that he performed 19 illegal abortions in 2003.

    The killing comes as the Obama administration is seeking confirmation to the US Supreme Court of Sonia Sotomayor, a liberal judge whom many anti-abortion groups have vowed to oppose.

    A more liberal selection of judges on the US's highest court is likely to see the controversial issue readdressed in favour of the pro-abortion lobby.

    Currently whether or not abortions are permitted is decided separately by each US state.

    But a new federal decision by the Supreme Court could see the issue decided by the national government, which is likely to permit abortions under President Obama

    We're so pro life and believe so strongly that every life is sacred that we will kill people who don't respect the sanctity of life!

    Commiting murder to support a pro-life standpoint.

    Fail is an understatement.

    Absolute dumb**** whackjob bigot psycho fukking retard idiot is an understatement too, but it's closer to the target. Fukkwit.


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    That person is as wrong as anyone else who has killed. I don't get how you can be pro-life and murder someone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭hussey


    Those danm Yanks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Two wrongs never made a right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Jakkass wrote: »
    That person is as wrong as anyone else who has killed. I don't get how you can be pro-life and murder someone else.

    I didn't think I would ever agree with you over something along the lines of this very sensitive subject, considring in the last thread we had polar opposite views, but I am happy to be proven wrong sir :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    I've said it before and I will say it again.

    Guns and Jesus .....the staples that hold the GOP together.

    **********************************************

    In regards to the doctor who was murdered.....not a great choice of location to be an abortion doctor.

    This is Westboro Baptist Church country.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    orestes wrote: »
    We're so pro life and believe so strongly that every life is sacred that we will kill people who don't respect the sanctity of life!

    Commiting murder to support a pro-life standpoint.

    Fail is an understatement.

    Absolute dumb**** whackjob bigot psycho fukking retard idiot is an understatement too, but it's closer to the target. Fukkwit.

    I'm not sure he saw the irony. He treated women for late-term abortions, and as someone who is for abortion (early term only) I find it pretty sickening.

    What I can't understand is why a woman would carry a baby close to term then decide she doesn't want it!?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 49 jells bells


    Abigayle wrote: »
    I'm not sure he saw the irony. He treated women for late-term abortions, and as someone who is for abortion (early term only) I find it pretty sickening.

    What I can't understand is why a woman would carry a baby close to term then decide she doesn't want it!?

    Agreed re: late term abortions in general, but don't think this was that straightforward.

    From CNN: His patients were "almost always in circumstances where something had gone horribly wrong with a pregnancy," and where a woman's health would be endangered if the pregnancy continued...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Splendour


    The words 'kettle, pot,black' spring to mind here...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭magick


    i have an iron and well and a wrinkled shirt.................

    im not gonna say any more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    pro life murder is not the misnomer (or fail) you claim it to be (OP) - the shooter (probably) felt that by killing the doctor he would save the lives of children.
    I don't actually agree with the shooters actions but the logic seems very sound to me.

    as for a doctor performing late term abortion - he was a very unpleasant man - i for one won't shed any tears.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    as for a doctor performing late term abortion - he was a very unpleasant man - i for one won't shed any tears.

    This is highly irrelevant. Whether this guy was the nastiest man alive or not is clearly not the point, the point is it's hardly pro-life to shoot someone outside a church of all places for carrying out abortions. Certainly this man should have been brought to justice for his illegal abortions but shooting someone dead in a vigilante style killing isn't an effective way to deal with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    pro life murder is not the misnomer (or fail) you claim it to be (OP) - the shooter (probably) felt that by killing the doctor he would save the lives of children.
    I don't actually agree with the shooters actions but the logic seems very sound to me.

    as for a doctor performing late term abortion - he was a very unpleasant man - i for one won't shed any tears.

    I am a liberal person, but by definition, this doctor aborted at a stage where a lot of the babies could have survived .I can't feel any sympathy for him.

    edit, i'm not saying it was right to shoot him, just i don't feel any sympathy for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    Jakkass wrote: »
    This is highly irrelevant. Whether this guy was the nastiest man alive or not is clearly not the point, the point is it's hardly pro-life to shoot someone outside a church of all places for carrying out abortions.

    it's irrelevant where he was killed.
    You have latched on to my personal opinion on the shooting rather than the main thrust of my point. YOU ARE IRRELEVANT.


    Certainly this man should have been brought to justice for his illegal abortions but shooting someone dead in a vigilante style killing isn't an effective way to deal with it.[/QUOTE]

    in your opinion. I'm sure the shooter disagrees. The law is frequently an ass and people often feel they must take the law into their own hands.
    The law is not infallible . Laws are made by politicians - you can guess the rest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    This is going to be a heated debate

    /popcorn


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    I might be wrong here but did'nt he only perform abortions where the foetus was severely deformed or very unlikely to survive or if the mothers life was in danger.

    As for the murder theres no excuse regardless. The hypocrisy of the murder shows how stupid (and dangerous) some of these pro-life people are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,100 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Surely after all the previous crap and attempts on his life, he would have said "enough is enough, this crap aint worth my life."

    He had to be aware that there were whack jobs out to do him harm.

    Feck sake, 67 years of age and he's putting himself in so much danger.
    A man at that age should have been retired and enjoying the rest of
    his life


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Ro: maaan!


    Saying he's a retard, idiot, etc for being pro life and yet still killing someone isn't very accurate. "Pro life" is just a name that the group have. It really just means anti abortion. He may be in favour of let's say the death penalty, but still be against abortion. The obvious difference being that the unborn baby hasn't done anything and should be given the chance to live. Where as someone who has commited a crime has forfitted his or her life.

    Anyway, not saying it was right for him to kill him. Just that it's not a black and white issue of pro life = anti murder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,100 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I agree! You can be anti abortion and pro death penalty or like me, pro choice and pro death penalty. It is not a black and white isue


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    This is Westboro Baptist Church country.

    The numbers in the Westboro Baptist Church are quite proportionately small compared to the entire population of the US.

    Anyway, using violence, and to actually go and murder someone, is the last kind of press that an interest group would want. Words fail me.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,898 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Commiting murder to support a pro-life standpoint.

    Fail is an understatement.

    It's a similar logic to the death penalty argument. The aborted children never did anything to forfeit their lives. By chosing to kill the innocent, people do forfeit their right to live. Therefore one has a very definite moral distinction between the two cases.

    Of course, you do have the issue of vigilanteism

    NTM


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    No miniature American flags then?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,786 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    Jakkass wrote: »
    shooting someone dead in a vigilante style killing isn't an effective way to deal with it.
    I disagree, if the goal of the shooter was to prevent the doctor from carrying out any more abortions, it was effective.
    Not justifiable, not legal, not morally correct but undeniably 100% effective.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭RandolphEsq


    *oops*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭RandolphEsq


    walshb wrote: »
    Surely after all the previous crap and attempts on his life, he would have said "enough is enough, this crap aint worth my life."

    He had to be aware that there were whack jobs out to do him harm.

    If do-gooders took that attitude to threats on their life the world would be an awful lot worse


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Jakkass wrote: »
    This is highly irrelevant. Whether this guy was the nastiest man alive or not is clearly not the point, the point is it's hardly pro-life to shoot someone outside a church of all places for carrying out abortions. Certainly this man should have been brought to justice for his illegal abortions but shooting someone dead in a vigilante style killing isn't an effective way to deal with it.

    Pro-life is not the same as Anti-Abortion.

    I am Anti-Abortion but not Pro-Life, because I believe there are people who deserve to die. (Not the Doc, but there are people.)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Pro-life is not the same as Anti-Abortion.

    People who are pro-life are anti-abortion in general. Some people may be opposed to abortion and be pro-death in other respects. I think it would greatly weaken your case however. How can you justify killing one person in one circumstance versus killing another in another circumstance?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    67 years is fairly late term alright.
    Delighted he is dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Hagar wrote: »
    I disagree, if the goal of the shooter was to prevent the doctor from carrying out any more abortions, it was effective.
    Not justifiable, not legal, not morally correct but undeniably 100% effective.
    Dude has a point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Jakkass wrote: »
    People who are pro-life are anti-abortion in general. Some people may be opposed to abortion and be pro-death in other respects. I think it would greatly weaken your case however. How can you justify killing one person in one circumstance versus killing another in another circumstance?
    If they refuse to worship Jesus?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Crusades are the complete antithesis of what Jesus ever taught. Hence why I can gladly say that I oppose them completely. Any good history of them will tell you that there were a large array of other factors involved. Anyhow, may be best to discuss the topic at hand rather than the Crusades eh?


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