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Trinity or UCD

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  • #62
    AndyWhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭AndyWhite


    Jonathan wrote: »
    Just be aware that some colleges are cancelling the work placements as they cannot find participating companies.

    For example the business degree in DCU has been shortened from 4 to 3 years.

    Thanks for the quick reply man. I'm hearing a lot of mixed reports though on the subject. Like I'm being told that a lot of companies aren't accepting trinity graduates because they have no experience, etc. Is that kind of stuff true or just rumors?


  • #63
    timmywex
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    AndyWhite wrote: »
    What about DCU?

    I'm in 6th year at the moment as well and I'm stuck between Trinity, UCD and DCU. Trinity is more convenient, i've heard more positives about UCD's course, but DCU has the most modern campus along with convenience. I live in Dunshaughlin, out past blanch so its a long distance to travel for UCD.
    DCU has work placement as well so is that a major positive or does it matter?

    Any help would be appreciated with this! I'm really clueless at which to choose!

    Im doing engineering in trinity next year all going well, was between their and ucd.


    For me it depended on and came down to what i wanted to specilise in, not sure yet, but dcu did nt have civil i think which is where id imagine myself ending up!


  • #64
    AndyWhite
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    timmywex wrote: »
    Im doing engineering in trinity next year all going well, was between their and ucd.


    For me it depended on and came down to what i wanted to specilise in, not sure yet, but dcu did nt have civil i think which is where id imagine myself ending up!

    Yeah, that makes sense alright. I'd imagine I'd be headed in the direction of electronic or mechanical (hence the mechatronics course in DCU is pretty appealing) so I'm pretty confused!


  • #65
    godtabh
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    AndyWhite wrote: »
    Thanks for the quick reply man. I'm hearing a lot of mixed reports though on the subject. Like I'm being told that a lot of companies aren't accepting trinity graduates because they have no experience, etc. Is that kind of stuff true or just rumors?

    Depends really. Every one needs an edge these days

    Thats why its important to do your own work experince during the summer holidays. I worked 5 summers in egineering offices including one in NY. Looks good on a cv


  • #66
    enda1
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    kearnsr wrote: »
    Depends really. Every one needs an edge these days

    Thats why its important to do your own work experince during the summer holidays. I worked 5 summers in egineering offices including one in NY. Looks good on a cv

    From the European sense we Irish are quite underqualified as a 5 years+ masters is common in the continent.

    So every hour of summer internship work in an Engineering company is valuable experiance!


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  • #67
    Kareir
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    enda1 wrote: »
    From the European sense we Irish are quite underqualified as a 5 years+ masters is common in the continent.

    So every hour of summer internship work in an Engineering company is valuable experiance!


    From 2013 the 4 year engineering course will be a 5 year masters.

    _Kar.


  • #68
    godtabh
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    enda1 wrote: »

    From the European sense we Irish are quite underqualified as a 5 years+ masters is common in the continent.


    I wouldnt say that.


  • #69
    Darren1o1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Darren1o1


    kearnsr wrote: »
    I wouldnt say that.

    Agreed. I have worked in Europe and the states and this certain has not been the case. I believe Irish engineers are educated differently, but I believe it is in such a way that we are flexible to solve problems in and outside out field, particularly when compare to europe. In the US I believe our bachelors is held in higher esteem that institutions of a similar ranking internationally (MIT etc obviously would be regarded above of course.). I regularly come up against grads from Cornell, RPI and other great engineering schools and seldom find deficiency in my education when compared. I often find I have covered more advanced topics (FEA and CFD are points in case for Mech.), but then this depends on institutions focus...


  • #70
    enda1
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    kearnsr wrote: »
    I wouldnt say that.

    I said "from the European sense".

    I never said our education is lacking, but that there is an image that we have not studied as much nor achieved as much.

    I currently work abroad on the continent and I am the only one in my department without at least a masters.

    How can you think it is not the normal practice in Europe to have a Masters as an engineer?

    Maybe I should qualify that I am speaking about Mechanical engineering now, not civil/structural.


  • #71
    enda1
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    Kareir wrote: »
    From 2013 the 4 year engineering course will be a 5 year masters.

    _Kar.

    Will that be the people who enter in 2013 or the people who entered in 2008?


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  • #72
    Jonathan
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    enda1 wrote: »
    Will that be the people who enter in 2013 or the people who entered in 2008?
    For people graduating in 2013.


  • #73
    TheAmateur
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    Jonathan wrote: »
    For people graduating in 2013.
    But they probably won't graduate til 2014 now right? Does that mean there'll be no engineering graduates in 2013?
    EDIT: Looked at the footnote on the qualifax course description, it looks like everyone will graduate with the BAI and then most will go straight back in for a year-long masters course. Any idea what the deal is with people who graduate before 2013? Would the year-long masters be accessible?


  • #74
    Jonathan
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    TheAmateur wrote: »
    But they probably won't graduate til 2014 now right? Does that mean there'll be no engineering graduates in 2013?
    EDIT: Looked at the footnote on the qualifax course description, it looks like everyone will graduate with the BAI and then most will go straight back in for a year-long masters course. Any idea what the deal is with people who graduate before 2013? Would the year-long masters be accessible?
    For people graduating before 2013, nothing will change. Your bachelors degree will be accepted for life for the purposes of getting chartered. If you graduate after 2013, you will need a masters on top of that.


  • #75
    dan_d
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    I gather that engineering courses will become 5 year courses, to bring us in line with the European norm. 3 years gets you a degree, 5 years gives you a masters. You can't become chartered until you've done the 5 years (or at least that will be the case). You don't have to do all 5 years.
    That's the explanation we were given in our last year at UCD a couple of years ago, during a random chat with Prof Richardson! I know someone who goes to the EGA AGMs in UCD fairly regularly, and that's one of the things that was discussed aswell.


  • #76
    godtabh
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    enda1 wrote: »
    I said "from the European sense".

    I never said our education is lacking, but that there is an image that we have not studied as much nor achieved as much.

    I currently work abroad on the continent and I am the only one in my department without at least a masters.

    How can you think it is not the normal practice in Europe to have a Masters as an engineer?

    Maybe I should qualify that I am speaking about Mechanical engineering now, not civil/structural.

    see post above.

    I've worked in america as well. The feedback I got was that I was more able to do the jobs 3 years of a degree done compared to american masters engineering students.

    I've had the same experience with european engineers working for me


  • #77
    budhabob
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    kearnsr wrote: »
    see post above.

    I've worked in america as well. The feedback I got was that I was more able to do the jobs 3 years of a degree done compared to american masters engineering students.

    I've had the same experience with european engineers working for me

    Just for my own clarification here, your saying that with a 3years IRISH degree that you were seen as better equiped than that of american masters engineering students? The phrasing just has me a tad confused.


  • #78
    Darren1o1
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    budhabob wrote: »
    Just for my own clarification here, your saying that with a 3years IRISH degree that you were seen as better equiped than that of american masters engineering students? The phrasing just has me a tad confused.

    Apologizes, Comparable 4 year bachelors in both institutions. My experience when compared to say the German diplom (masters), we have some mathematical deficiencies but a better approach to problem solving.


  • #79
    AndyWhite
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    Is DCU changing to the 5 year masters aswell or is that just UCD and TCD?

    And from a european and american perspective, how does a DCU degree stack up against the other irish colleges? Im getting really mixed reports all round on this. Im still trying to decide what course i want next year!!!


  • #80
    Darren1o1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Darren1o1


    AndyWhite wrote: »
    Is DCU changing to the 5 year masters aswell or is that just UCD and TCD?

    And from a european and american perspective, how does a DCU degree stack up against the other irish colleges? Im getting really mixed reports all round on this. Im still trying to decide what course i want next year!!!

    I went to DCU and as above I have not had any problems working in Europe or the US. In fact DCU placed me for my work experience in germany in an automotive firm. My course was recognised in both and has been received very well. Feedback from my employer has said that it has exceeded their expectations. All courses will be going to 5 year masters per the bolgna agreement, DCU will go to a 4 (Beng) +1 (Msc).


  • #81
    AndyWhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭AndyWhite


    Darren1o1 wrote: »
    I went to DCU and as above I have not had any problems working in Europe or the US. In fact DCU placed me for my work experience in germany in an automotive firm. My course was recognised in both and has been received very well. Feedback from my employer has said that it has exceeded their expectations. All courses will be going to 5 year masters per the bolgna agreement, DCU will go to a 4 (Beng) +1 (Msc).

    Brilliant man, thanks!


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  • #82
    adrenaline junkie
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    There will be a 50m swimming pool in UCD by march 2012!! The previous students have being helping to fund it for a few years.


  • #83
    pljudge321
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    adrenaline junkie wrote: »
    There will be a 50m swimming pool in UCD by march 2012!! The previous students have being helping to fund it for a few years.

    I've funded that feckin swimming pool to the tune of €750 euro from my own pocket and it will open just as I'm leaving. :mad:

    Edit: ARRR RARRR Zombie Thread


  • #84
    godtabh
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    zombie thread indeed

    Will leave this open as it maybe helpfully for people currently deciding on offers


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