Jury Duty

SV · 13-05-2009 12:50PM

How many Ss in innocent?

blanco wrote: »

Nope. They follow it up with a €500 fine :eek:

by €500 you mean €63.

javaboy · 13-05-2009 12:53PM

How many Ss in innocent?

12/12. No Peter Fondas in here. String 'em up.

thelordofcheese · 13-05-2009 12:57PM

OldGoat wrote: »

Not everyone tries to get out of it. I found the whole process fascinating but then again I wasn't expecting to see high profile, high drama cases.
I got to sleep a little later then normal and I got home a little earlier the normal plus someone else paid for lunch.
I am disappointed by the number of people who concoct excuses to avoid serving on a jury because they find it a bit inconvenient.

I'm almost tempted to create a venn diagram of people who advice the Op to shirk jury duty Vs those who say the legal system is a mess.
Firstly, i'd expect the two circles to be pratically overlapping and secondly for them not to see the irony of the situation.

Rebelheart · 13-05-2009 01:01PM

aoife34 wrote: »

Hey, got called for Jury Duty yesterday. Why does everybody try to get out of doing it?? Whats so bad??

I got called twice in my life. I just ticked the student box exemption or something else and sent it back. I have no intention of standing in a court in this Republic in front of people wearing colonial wigs and addressing each other as 'your lordship' and other archaic affectations of English domination over me and my people.

I do have a 1st in Politics and History so I would actually love to do this sort of civic duty. You have to be true to yourself though.

thelordofcheese · 13-05-2009 01:08PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

I have no intention of standing in a court in this Republic in front of people wearing colonial wigs and addressing each other as 'your lordship' and other archaic affectations of English domination over me and my people.

*facepalm*

Rebelheart · 13-05-2009 01:11PM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

*facepalm*

Oh you're soooo kewl, loike.

OldGoat · 13-05-2009 01:11PM

How many Ss in innocent?

Hey OP, let us know what court you endup in. I'll sit in the public gallery and cheer you on...(and also make sure that you vote for Guilty as decided by The AH Poll Result):)

OldGoat · 13-05-2009 01:18PM

How many Ss in innocent?

Rebelheart wrote: »

I do have a 1st in Politics and History so I would actually love to do this sort of civic duty. You have to be true to yourself though.

Because it's better to be on the outside of systems and ineffectual rather then being on the inside and fighting for changes that you perceive as necessary? Right? :rolleyes:

5318008! · 13-05-2009 01:27PM

Of course i would.

Jury nullification ftw :pac:!

Rebelheart · 13-05-2009 01:29PM

OldGoat wrote: »

Because it's better to be on the outside of systems and ineffectual rather then being on the inside and fighting for changes that you perceive as necessary? Right? :rolleyes:

How, pray tell, would one be "fighting for changes" by attending jury duty that may decide somebody's future? There is no connection, nor should there be. Using somebody's case to somehow advocate changes to the culture of the public courts of this republic is wholly inappropriate.

You clearly would make a very appropriate juror.:rolleyes:

Lu Tze · 13-05-2009 01:36PM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I'm almost tempted to create a venn diagram of people who advice the Op to shirk jury duty Vs those who say the legal system is a mess.

Is there any situation where Venn diagrams aren't useful? They truly are pinnacle of invention!

sam34 · 13-05-2009 01:37PM

i would be exempted from this because of my job, but if that was not the case i would absolutely ahte to do jury duty.

i feel it's a big responsibility and i dont want that.

imagine being a juror in a big high profile murder trial, i know i would agonise and ruminate over my decision long after teh verdict.

RandolphEsq · 13-05-2009 01:53PM

OldGoat wrote: »

Hey OP, let us know what court you endup in. I'll sit in the public gallery and cheer you on...(and also make sure that you vote for Guilty as decided by The AH Poll Result):)

Intimidation of jury members is a criminal offence!

I got called last week but used the 'full-time student' excuse to avoid it. I only opted out as I have a holiday booked the week after I was due to do it

OldGoat · 13-05-2009 01:57PM

How many Ss in innocent?

Oh come on Rebel, you are focusing on the detail rather the big picture. How can stepping away from being a part of the judicial system be anyway helpful to changing that system? Ignoring or shunning the system won't make it go away. If you believe the legal system of this country is flawed then step up and get changes made, if you can.
Don't just hide out in the backwoods waving sticks at the ghosts of Colonialism. Use that education of yours to effect a change in how judges are addressed if that is what you see as a fault but don’t advocate your non co-operation protest as being an efficient policy for change.

thelordofcheese · 13-05-2009 02:11PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

Oh you're soooo kewl, loike.

Hardly, however i'm not the one refusing jury duty because.. "HURRRR 800 YEARS!".
Congrats though, It's a new low. Even for AH.

Lu Tze wrote: »

Is there any situation where Venn diagrams aren't useful? They truly are pinnacle of invention!

I can't think of one. Venn diagrams are awesome.

TobyZiegler · 13-05-2009 02:15PM

Rebel 'your lordship' is gone now. 'Judge' is whats used now. You hear the odd person say lordship or your honour but these people are either older people or people watching too much tv. Our judges are Irish, our laws are Irish (though some of them were originally based on English laws.), our barristers and solicitors are mainly Irish - whats the problem exactly?

blanco · 13-05-2009 02:19PM

SV wrote: »

by €500 you mean €63.

Nope. It was €63 (IR£50) now it is €500.

If you serve on a Jury even though you are disqualified, the fine is €2000

mixer101 · 13-05-2009 02:24PM

OldGoat wrote: »

(At the time of posting):
7 votes in so far and all 7 are for guilty. Thats a majority.
Hang 'em high AH.

I thought 9 was the count for a majority on a jury...?

SV · 13-05-2009 02:25PM

How many Ss in innocent?

blanco wrote: »

Nope. It was €63 (IR£50) now it is €500.

If you serve on a Jury even though you are disqualified, the fine is €2000

I served on a jury last month and was told completely different.

Mr.Lizard · 13-05-2009 02:32PM

TobyZiegler wrote: »

Rebel 'your lordship' is gone now. 'Judge' is whats used now. You hear the odd person say lordship or your honour but these people are either older people or people watching too much tv. Our judges are Irish, our laws are Irish (though some of them were originally based on English laws.), our barristers and solicitors are mainly Irish - whats the problem exactly?

I think he just doesn't like the outfits they wear. I can understand that. If Ireland had broken neutrality during WWII and had to choose a side I would have hoped we'd join the Nazis because they had much better uniforms.

OldGoat · 13-05-2009 02:37PM

How many Ss in innocent?

mixer101 wrote: »

I thought 9 was the count for a majority on a jury...?

You could be right, I just assumed that anything over halfway was enough. (Checks prisoner - Well & truly hanged) Oh well, too late now. At least he won't go on to appeal.:o

blanco · 13-05-2009 02:38PM

SV wrote: »

I served on a jury last month and was told completely different.

Do you still have all the paperwork that came with the summons? Look for the purple-ish sheet. It has the updated fines as per Amendment 6 (2008) of the Jury's Act 1976.

I also served on a Jury last month and the yellow form had the old fines. But, they included another sheet with the new fines.

thelordofcheese · 13-05-2009 03:27PM

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

I think he just doesn't like the outfits they wear. I can understand that. If Ireland had broken neutrality during WWII and had to choose a side I would have hoped we'd join the Nazis because they had much better uniforms.

Well, everybody loves a sharp dressed man......

Degsy · 13-05-2009 03:44PM

Its a piece of piss really.
The chances are you wont be called to fill the panel and if you are the defendent can object for whatever reason.
You can also say you know the defendent and you'll be dismissed.
Its actually quite interesting hearing the case and watching the way the court works.
Its actually amazing the way people who are obviously guilty with a wealth of evidence against them will elect for a trial by jury and risk a much greater sentence.

Dartz · 13-05-2009 04:09PM

Show up... snooze during the trial... because it's a load of boring legal waffle you won't understand, anyway they're always guilty, and any arguing otherwise will mean you're in there longer. Don't worry about the consequences, it doesn't matter if he's guilty or innocent or not, he'll be released either way to re-offend happily and continuously.

Death by dangerous driving is 6 months, (or 2 weeks with good behaviour) While the Granny with no TV license gets sent down for a year.

ChocolateSauce · 13-05-2009 04:13PM

Who wouldn't want the power to decide a person's fate?

If the person on trial isn't Irish, appear to be a racist and they'll release you.

Degsy · 13-05-2009 04:13PM

Dartz wrote: »

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Death by dangerous driving is 6 months, (or 2 weeks with good behaviour) While the Granny with no TV license gets sent down for a year.

Yeah but they might've been after the granny for a while and couldnt pin anything on her.
Sometimes they use little things to take down the big players.

roy123456789 · 13-05-2009 04:16PM

aoife34 wrote: »

Hey, got called for Jury Duty yesterday. Why does everybody try to get out of doing it?? Whats so bad??

If you're dumb enough to ask..... you're dumb enough to do it

rororoyourboat · 13-05-2009 05:04PM

I was called to do jury duty once. I went in the first day and after four hours of sitting on a wooden bench with a numb arse, was told to go home. I never went back and was never fined. That was two years ago, so I doubt they even fine you. It's too much hassle for them, I'd imagine.

Super-Rush · 13-05-2009 05:15PM

I served jury duty about 5 years ago. I just knew i would get selected. The trial went on for 3 days and i slept for most of it. We kept having to move into the jury room because we were not allowed to hear certain things that might influence us in our decision. Best bit was the garda escort to the nearest hotel for dinner every day, we got some really strange looks. I've never eaten so well in my life. Sign me up again

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