Donkey hanged in Ballyfermot

homme d'affaire · 07-05-2009 11:03PM

Bambi wrote: »

im sure they wouldn't, but you wouldnt have a clue about it. Choking slowly is a really **** way to die. I'd take being stunned with an oul electro prod and having my jugular/carotoid cut (not "throat slashed" lol) over that anyday, quick and easy.

All vegans equipped with high horse as standard.

I'm sure I would have a clue about it, what with being vegan and all.

Pigs are usually slaughtered after 4-7 months. Pigs intended for pork are usually slaughtered 1-2 months younger than pigs for bacon. Around 9.5 million pigs (9,428,400) were slaughtered in the UK in 2008, (9,483,700 in 2007)(1). Pigs are stunned first then killed by being shackled and hoisted before having the blood vessels in their throat slit (sticking). The animal dies by being bled to death.

If some knackers did this to a pig, down in the local ballyfermot park, there would be equal uproar as in this thread about the donkey. Yet the very same people regularly consume ham, rashers, bacon, etc.

And I noticed you didn't mention chickens, how convenient.

Broiler chickens (often referred to as ‘Broilers’) have been selectively bred and reared for their meat rather than eggs. The industry began in the late 1950’s and there are approximately 116 million broilers in the UK at any one time. Almost 800 million broiler chickens were slaughtered in the UK in 2008(1). The majority of broiler chickens are housed in large windowless sheds in massive flocks holding tens of thousands of birds (20,000 - 50,000)(2).

Broiler chickens are slaughtered at just 6-7 weeks of age (a chicken's natural lifespan is around 7 years). Almost 800 million broiler chickens (784.39 million) were slaughtered in the UK in 2008 (798.52 million in 2007) (1). On reaching the slaughterhouse, broiler chickens are removed from their crates and hung upside down shackled by their feet to a moving line whilst still fully conscious. Their heads and neck are dragged through an electrically charged water bath designed to stun the birds, rendering them unconscious. The moving line then takes the birds to an automatic neck cutter. Birds are then bled before entering a scalding tank to make the plucking easier. Broilers often experience pain and struggle while hung in shackles, and they may suffer during the slaughter process. It is estimated that over 50 million broilers across the European Union may be slaughtered while fully conscious(2).

This donkey probably lived a reasonably good life before his death, and was probably dead within minutes after his airflow was cut off.

Lilyblue · 07-05-2009 11:14PM

That is shocking, so sad

Why would anyone do that to an innocent animal

I am disgusted. I really hope they find out who did this and make an example of them!

Dyr · 07-05-2009 11:15PM

homme d'affaire wrote: »

And I noticed you didn't mention chickens, how convenient.

yes, it's all part of the chicken conspiracy...shhhh.

lol so chickens are knocked unconscious and then beheaded so we can eat them? F**k me thats horrific, they must suffer terribly what with being out cold when they're decapitated. :pac:

homme d'affaire wrote: »

This donkey probably lived a reasonably good life before his death, and was probably dead within minutes after his airflow was cut off.

Sure give the ould slow hanging a go yourself and report back any observations on the process here.

Elliemental · 07-05-2009 11:18PM

homme d'affaire wrote: »

To be honest, anyone who eats meat can't honestly be sympathetic about this donkey
I'm sure these animals would much prefer to just have their oxygen supply cut off by hanging like that donkey, than the lifetime of torture cruelty and pain they go through.

Look this up if you don't believe me. Visit a pig farm. Visit a chicken factory.

I'm vegan by the way.

Oh God! Another self righteous non meat eater.
The vast majority of slaughter houses use methods that are as humane as possible, and it is infinitely better than being hung. So no, the bacon on people's plates' did not suffer more than the donkey. You're talking blatant sh1te.
Oh, btw i'm a vegetarian of 16 years. It's a life style choice i made, but i still know how to respect other people's choices.

DonkeyStyle \o/ · 07-05-2009 11:18PM

homme d'affaire wrote: »

To be honest, anyone who eats meat can't honestly be sympathetic about this donkey.

I think for many people an emotional divide exists between pets and livestock.

homme d'affaire · 07-05-2009 11:21PM

Bambi wrote: »

yes, it's all part of the chicken conspiracy...shhhh.

lol so chickens are knocked unconscious and then beheaded so we can eat them? F**k me thats horrific, they must suffer terribly what with being out cold when they're decapitated. :pac:

What about their whole lives trapped in a tiny cage no bigger than themselves, with their beaks hammered off to stop from pecking each other, wings snapped to stop them flapping about the cage, feet cut off to stop them moving. What a brilliant life they have. If you think there's anything correct about this, or about how they are killed then there's something seriously wrong with you.

The only reason you are even bothering to reply is you feel guilty about eating chicken and are trying to justify your choice by pretending they live a great life, and have a quick and painless death.

staker · 07-05-2009 11:22PM

homme d'affaire wrote: »

To be honest, anyone who eats meat can't honestly be sympathetic about this donkey.

Pigs are hung up by their back legs and have their throats sliced, to get you that lovely bacon on your plate.

Chickens have their beaks smashed off, wings snapped, legs sliced off, etc to make them easier to farm, for those lovely chicken burgers on your plate.

This ^ is you (meat-eaters) doing this by proxy, you are responsible.

I'm sure these animals would much prefer to just have their oxygen supply cut off by hanging like that donkey, than the lifetime of torture cruelty and pain they go through.

Look this up if you don't believe me. Visit a pig farm. Visit a chicken factory.

I'm vegan by the way.

i worked in an abbatoir for a while and i can assure you no animal died a death as painful and slow as this poor donkey.

and why do you find it necessary to state that you're a vegan??

latenia · 07-05-2009 11:23PM

Homme d'affaire does raise an interesting point despite his preachiness. You get threads here from time to time about some act of animal cruelty but they invariably involve non-delicious animals that make good pets such as dogs, cats, horses etc. Animals that are neither delicious or cute like rats or weasels could have unspeakable acts done to them and nobody would care but I'm sure their pain is just as bad.

homme d'affaire · 07-05-2009 11:23PM

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »

I think for many people an emotional divide exists between pets and livestock.

It's an artificial divide, pigs and cows feel as much pain as donkeys, dogs, etc.

Biggins · 07-05-2009 11:23PM

Just a point to ponder on.

A study (done by one "Jeremy Wright and Christopher Hensley") was done some time ago on how in some cases - not all - serial murder can be explained through social learning theory's graduation hypothesis based on earlier animal cruelty.

Their report suggested that some animal cruelty eventually progressed to further greater crimes due to a number of reasons. An underlying issue was prevalent, in that because as it turned out, in some cases, it began as a "thin edge of the wedge", cruelty in any form should be not tolerated and allowed the person doing it to build up a 'feeling' that if "I" can get away with this, how far can I push it further.
Indeed some criminals further progressed to seeking higher kicks that eventually sickened more normal society, carrying out further deeper depraved acts that have shocked societies the world over.

- That said, not every (I hope) person that commits such sad cruelty, will turn out to be evil incarnate. We should instead however look to see exactly where they picked up such poor moral values and seek to re-educate them back into what can only be seen as a supposed more normal society. One hopefully with less sad cruel actions.

Interesting reading:

There is a link between animal cruelty and domestic violence and other serious crimes. Extensive research has been done regarding the relationship between animal cruelty and adult aggressive criminal behavior. Such discussion focuses on the acknowledgment of an abusive family context in the assessment and intervention of childhood animal cruelty. Therefore, effective animal cruelty legislation can allow the justice system to intervene early in people who might go on to other serious crimes.

Studies of prison inmates reveal that as many as 75% of violent offenders had early records of animal cruelty. 30% of convicted child molesters and 48% of convicted rapists admitted animal cruelty in their childhood. However, only a little over one-third of the animal cruelty group had antisocial personality disorder.

Source: http://www.bharatbhasha.com/pets.php/71760

I offer the above quote not as 100% fact but just a point to dwell on maybe...
...as is the following...

In 1966, forensic psychiatrist JM Macdonald listed a set of childhood behavioural characteristics associated with sociopathic behaviour which included bed-wetting, arson and torturing animals.

Ian Hancock, director of psychological services in Dumfries and Galloway, regularly assesses violent offenders: 'One of the defining characteristics of people with antisocial personality disorders is a history of cruelty to animals.

At the extreme end, you've got people who would be cruel to any sentient being. They just start with animals.'

Source: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/newsfocus/article.html?in_article_id=265383&in_page_id=65&expand=true

I'm not qualified to agree or disagree with the above greater educated professionals. It's just possible further points to ponder on also in attempting to understand and see a fuller picture.

minxie · 07-05-2009 11:26PM

Its sickening and disgusting

Dyr · 07-05-2009 11:26PM

Make your bleedin mind up, is it how they die or live that you're comparing to this donkey?

and have a quick and painless death.

They do have a quick and painless death though, those quotes you used confirm that, you are actually hanging yourself here hoss, or at leasting hoisting yerself on your own petard.

Valmont · 07-05-2009 11:31PM

Homme de Vegan, the moral outrage sparked by such an act is best viewed from the motivations of the perpetrators. We kill cows for the purpose of eating them, an altogether natural and acceptable act.

These scum****s choked the donkey to death for the absolute act in and of itself and this is what is so sickening about it.

Dyr · 07-05-2009 11:31PM

latenia wrote: »

Homme d'affaire does raise an interesting point despite his preachiness. You get threads here from time to time about some act of animal cruelty but they invariably involve non-delicious animals that make good pets such as dogs, cats, horses etc. Animals that are neither delicious or cute like rats or weasels could have unspeakable acts done to them and nobody would care but I'm sure their pain is just as bad.

I'm a fan of rats and weasels myself, never liked chickens though. People who derive pleasure from inflicting cruelty on dumb beasts are a different subject entirely to this, some people dont get the distinction.

Pretty sure that dogs, cats and horses also fall into the delicious category though

homme d'affaire · 07-05-2009 11:34PM

Bambi wrote: »

Make your bleedin mind up, is it how they die or live that you're comparing to this donkey?

They do have a quick and painless death though

Suppose you missed my earlier quote estimating about 50 million chickens per year in the EU are fully conscious while having their throats cut and being boiled alive.

I'm comparing the levels of cruelty/pain endured and overall quality of life between this donkey and the pig/chicken on your plate. Don't get me wrong, I have sympathy for the poor creature. But I also have sympathy for the hundreds of millions of farmyard animals who put up with suffering and cruelty for their entire lives, in order for you to enjoy meat. They won't make the evening herald though. It's not "comfortable" reading.

homme d'affaire · 07-05-2009 11:37PM

Valmont wrote: »

Homme de Vegan, the moral outrage sparked by such an act is best viewed from the motivations of the perpetrators. We kill cows for the purpose of eating them, an altogether natural and acceptable act.

These scum****s choked the donkey to death for the absolute act in and of itself and this is what is so sickening about it.

Fair enough, but do you think the animal being subjected to pain can distinguish (or even care) whether the pain he's feeling is justified by humanity because he's going to be eaten, or the pain is unjustified because it's to satisfy someone's sick fantasy?

Dyr · 07-05-2009 11:37PM

homme d'affaire wrote: »

.Don't get me wrong, I have sympathy for the poor creature.

Then get off the donkey thread and start your own one about romanian chickens being beheaded and then boiled alive, (spot the problem there?)

Biggins · 07-05-2009 11:42PM

homme d'affaire wrote: »

...I'm comparing the levels of cruelty/pain endured and overall quality of life between this donkey and the pig/chicken on your plate. Don't get me wrong, I have sympathy for the poor creature. But I also have sympathy for the hundreds of millions of farmyard animals who put up with suffering and cruelty for their entire lives, in order for you to enjoy meat. They won't make the evening herald though. It's not "comfortable" reading.

I see your point and its a good one.
The problem generally is how or where do we differentiate between what we do to animals in the name of necessity and survival (of the fittest!) and how such killing of animals are done.

For me (as a meat eater) there is a difference between an animal such as a cow being just quickly killed with one clear shot (for gaining basic food) against an animal being strung up being left to die a lingering pain filled miserable death for the sake of someone's sick kicks.

There is a line that we should not cross and there are better methods in which to cease the life of an animal. Where is it for basic survival and more decent and instant methods are used, that is something I'm personally in favour of.

The other long pain filled way - I would never support by any method or monetary fashion. I suspect most might feel the same way?

Sharpshooter · 07-05-2009 11:44PM

Plain and simple,the donkey was a pet.
Not someones dinner.

homme d'affaire · 07-05-2009 11:45PM

Bambi wrote: »

Then get off the donkey thread and start your own one about romanian chickens being beheaded and then boiled alive, (spot the problem there?)

Animal cruelty is animal cruelty.

You can't say one type of cruelty is ok because it leads to us getting meat, and another type of cruelty is wrong because it gives some knackers from ballyfermot a laugh.

homme d'affaire · 07-05-2009 11:48PM

Biggins wrote: »

For me (as a meat eater) there is a difference between an animal such as a cow being just quickly killed with one clear shot

That's how cattle are killed yes, but I suggest you look at how they are farmed beforehand. Especially pigs, chickens, turkeys, lamb.

Dyr · 07-05-2009 11:48PM

homme d'affaire wrote: »

Animal cruelty is animal cruelty.

You can't say one type of cruelty is ok because it leads to us getting meat, and another type of cruelty is wrong because it gives some knackers from ballyfermot a laugh.

They're dying quick painless deaths it seems, the donkey didnt. Your clever comparison died on its arse and now you're just on a meat is murder rant.

Where's the cruelty?? Show me the cruelty jerry... SHOW ME THE CRUELTY!

homme d'affaire · 07-05-2009 11:51PM

Bambi wrote: »

They're dying quick painless deaths it seems, the donkey didnt. Your clever comparison died on its arse and now you're just on a meat is murder rant.

Where's the cruelty?? Show me the cruelty jerry... SHOW ME THE CRUELTY!

Just look it up. Cruelty is very common in the farming industry. Ever eaten in KFC?

KFC suppliers cram birds into huge waste-filled factories, breed and drug them to grow so large that they can’t even walk, and often break their wings and legs. At slaughter, the birds’ throats are slit and they are dropped into tanks of scalding-hot water—often while they are still conscious. It would be illegal for KFC to abuse dogs, cats, pigs, or cows in these ways.

KFC’s own animal welfare advisors have asked the company to take steps to eliminate these abuses, but KFC refuses to do so. Many advisors have now resigned in frustration.

Please join Pamela Anderson, Sir Paul McCartney, His Holiness the Dalai Lama, The Rev. Al Sharpton, and countless other kind people worldwide by not eating at KFC.

homme d'affaire · 07-05-2009 11:52PM

And here's a video for you

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dreamers75 · 07-05-2009 11:54PM

Con Colbert road isnt in ballyfermot and the story is a month out of date and in the herald.

Must be true so.

Biggins · 07-05-2009 11:56PM

homme d'affaire wrote: »

That's how cattle are killed yes, but I suggest you look at how they are farmed beforehand. Especially pigs, chickens, turkeys, lamb.

I agree, the systems we use today are not perfect as we'd like them to be.
Government and social/local bodies set-up to oversee such areas, we can only hope are making a difference.

Within the strains of monetary purchasing, I can only speak for myself.
Where I find there is outright cruelty and recognise it, I will where possible avoid buying and supporting such sources. I again, think most would do the same.

Side issue: I avoid KFC and such places like the plague. I'd rather go and cook a decent meal for my kids - but thats just me being picky and fussy.

Firetrap · 08-05-2009 12:03AM

I couldn't get to the end of that story, it was so awful. The scary thing is that if there are people who can do this to a donkey, there's a danger they could do the same thing to a human. It's not the first time I've read about horrendous stories of animal cruelty in this country

Novella · 08-05-2009 12:12AM

This is sick.

That KFC video is also terrible. Will never be able to eat there.

stephens770 · 08-05-2009 12:19AM

homme d'affaire wrote: »

What about their whole lives trapped in a tiny cage no bigger than themselves, with their beaks hammered off to stop from pecking each other, wings snapped to stop them flapping about the cage, feet cut off to stop them moving. What a brilliant life they have. If you think there's anything correct about this, or about how they are killed then there's something seriously wrong with you.

The only reason you are even bothering to reply is you feel guilty about eating chicken and are trying to justify your choice by pretending they live a great life, and have a quick and painless death.

eating animals is life not cruelty,people just cover it up because they cant take the fact thats how we survive,its unhealthy eating fruit and veg year after year with no meat you need it its a proven fact,vegetarians are most likely skinny and pale as u cant gain weight by eating just veg,chose not to eat meat all you want your just missing out.

stephens770 · 08-05-2009 12:20AM

Novella wrote: »

This is sick.

That KFC video is also terrible. Will never be able to eat there.

why what video ,i eat there alot!!??

Donkey hanged in Ballyfermot

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