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Drogba a Disgrace

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  • #92
    Xavi6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,980 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    jimbling wrote: »
    That's much better thanks. You're still a tosser though.

    Banned

    Also, any more United/Arsenal/Liverpool talk will result in infractions for thread spoiling. Take it elsewhere.

    And further to that, cut out the backseat modding. Report posts you don't feel are appropriate


  • #93
    witnessmenow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    That's rubbish. The actions of one or two individuals are enough to form a generalisation about an institution that employees hundreds of people? Good man :rolleyes:

    If clubs can be fined or forced to play behind doors for failing to control fans, Im pretty sure they can be held responsible for the actions of two of their employees



    Lads, Utd Arsenal forum thata way
    >


  • #94
    jenno86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭jenno86


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why does every topic turn into ''United love/hate'' threads?

    Because of United fans coming in here and '**** stirring' and talking crap. Now thats clarified let get back on topic.;)


  • #95
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    greendom wrote: »
    But winning the ball resulted in a foui on the player. The ball was in the air by Fabregas' chest, Fletcher was coming in from the side. Taking the ball meant fouling the player.

    sorry xavi missed your post


  • #96
    The Recliner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,630 ✭✭✭The Recliner


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Off his feet, won the ball, then accidently brought the player down. It is very debatable.

    I agree it is debateable but if you go off your feet you are risking a foul whether you win the ball or not, if you are off your feet then you lack control
    ntlbell wrote: »
    if you slide in from the side take the ball and take the player out of it break his leg ruin his career for the rest of his life.

    no free...legal tackle, spot of bad luck.

    if the tackle was legal and he won the ball it's no free..

    as far as i know the ref gave the peno because he didn't think darren won the ball, he was wrong.

    Wrong and none of us know why the Ref gave the Penalty yet but even if he gave it for your reason it still would have been a penalty under the rules

    Taking the ball does not make a tackle legal, I am not going to repeat myself again so if you refuse to accept this then there aint much I can do about it but it is the rule, the rule is not open to interoretation it is very clear, the implementation of the rule however is open to interrepation which is why we have inconsistancies and this myth that winning the ball makes it not a foul

    *Edit* Apologies Xavi, was writing it as you posted your warning


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  • #97
    [Deleted User]
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    jenno86 wrote: »
    Because of United fans coming in here and '**** stirring' and talking crap. Now thats clarified let get back on topic.;)

    Yes now that is clarified lets get back to the topic..


  • #98
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    The Recliner wrote: »
    Taking the ball does not make a tackle legal, I am not going to repeat myself again so if you refuse to accept this then there aint much I can do about it but it is the rule, the rule is not open to interoretation it is very clear, the implementation of the rule however is open to interrepation which is why we have inconsistancies and this myth that winning the ball makes it not a foul

    Association Football has no rules.

    It has Laws.

    And the referees are the appointed judges of these laws.

    There are no hard and fast rules that must be adhered to at all times.


  • #99
    patmac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,607 ✭✭✭patmac


    Back on topic. The problem with Drogba is he is such a bad actor, he could seriously do with some lessons. The incident where he challenged for the ball in the second half and rolling around as if he had been shot, almost carried of the field then trots back on just after the replay showed he wasn’t touched, that along with Anelka’s dive, Ballack's almost rape, would anger any neutral. Add in an owner who got his money by dubious means and Cashley Cole and you can see why Chelsea are not very popular at the moment.
    I’m not even convinced by Drogba’s antics at the end they were so over the top, were they even genuine? Has he got a brain?
    So in response to the op yes he is a disgrace, and Chelsea got everything they deserved last night.


  • #100
    jenno86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭jenno86


    I heard he got acting lessons from this guy! :pac: :D :pac: :D

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  • #101
    [Deleted User]
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    deisedevil wrote: »
    Anelka isn't known to dive but he took one last night and got a player sent off, bad form.
    patmac wrote: »
    that along with Anelka’s dive

    I don't think Anelka dived, did he?.. I thought he just fell over his own feet and the ref got it wrong..

    I'll have to have another look though


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  • #102
    Karmafaerie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭Karmafaerie


    jimbling wrote: »
    What's horsesh1t about it? I watch rugby all the time. There are very very few times where refereeing decisions are the talking point of a game. Obv it happens occasionally, but not often.

    You obviously haven't been watching rugby for very long then.

    The only reason that this is the case, is because nowadays the ref goes to the TMO 4 or 5 times a game!
    Back before the ref had that option, refs were constantly making decisions that effected the game in a massive, massive way.


  • #103
    deisedevil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't think Anelka dived, did he?.. I thought he just fell over his own feet and the ref got it wrong..

    I'll have to have another look though

    I thought that at first aswell and thought nothing of it, then I replayed it afterwards and he went into a spin then sat and turned to the ref and put his hands in the air as if to say "Come on ref" Wouldn't have had any problem with it if he hadn't have gone looking for it. At the end of the day it's still up to the ref to get it right but it's not totally his fault when you have cheats like that.


  • #104
    The Recliner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,630 ✭✭✭The Recliner


    Eamon Dunphy wrote: »
    Association Football has no rules.

    It has Laws.

    And the referees are the appointed judges of these laws.

    There are no hard and fast rules that must be adhered to at all times.

    Phrased much better than I could and more correct

    Back on topic

    Both Drogba and Ballack were very luck not to get sent off last night

    The Ref should ahve booked Drogba for diving during the game and could possibly have sent him off after the game for his protests

    Ballack slapped the ref and chased him across the pitch

    Looks like there will be a lot of cases for Chelsea to answer after this game


  • #105
    super_furry
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    abelard wrote: »

    So say what you want about Drogba, he probably deserves it. But seperate him from the club, there are som many people there who don't deserve to be painted with the same brush.

    The thing is, a player like that can only thrive within a club if his behaviour isn't called to task. It all stems back to Mourinho's 'win at all costs' mentality, but the fact that Drogba's disgusting behaviour has not only been tollerated but encouraged means that people will cast all of Chelsea in this light. Even Hiddink has come out defending him.

    If Drogba wasn't considered to be more important to Chelsea than their reputation he would have been kicked out years ago, however, he is indugled and allowed to continue his cheating ways and it reflects on the club as a whole.


  • #106
    _blank_
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    Are you sure Ballack actually slapped the ref?

    I don't think he physically touched him tbh


  • #107
    Auvers
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    just read John Terrys inturpation of Drogbas actions last night

    "I am fully behind Didier for the way he reacted," declared Terry. "The man wants to win. You can see the passion that he played with during the game and the passion afterwards."

    what a load of ****, passion me hole more like being a spoilt overpaid *cheat*

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8037118.stm

    *edit whoops used word thats frowned upon


  • #108
    CivilServant
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    Dave! wrote: »
    Lampard for one. Gentleman IMO.

    Yeah he even swapped shirts with iniesta :eek:


  • #109
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,380 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    super_furry wrote: »
    The thing is, a player like that can only thrive within a club if his behaviour isn't called to task. It all stems back to Mourinho's 'win at all costs' mentality, but the fact that Drogba's disgusting behaviour has not only been tollerated but encouraged means that people will cast all of Chelsea in this light. Even Hiddink has come out defending him.

    If Drogba wasn't considered to be more important to Chelsea than their reputation he would have been kicked out years ago, however, he is indugled and allowed to continue his cheating ways and it reflects on the club as a whole.

    Great excuse to bring this back again. He should have gone after this.



  • #110
    The Recliner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,630 ✭✭✭The Recliner


    Eamon Dunphy wrote: »
    Are you sure Ballack actually slapped the ref?

    I don't think he physically touched him tbh

    It looked to me like he caught the ref on the back, don't think he intentionally slapped him but given the way he was in the ref's face the ref could easily have done him for it


  • #111
    deisedevil
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    CivilServant wrote: »
    Yeah he even swapped shirts with iniesta :eek:

    Yep, clapped to the fans, handed over his jersey and headed off. Maybe he went into the dressing room and kicked everything in there but he didn't disgrace himself in frint of millions of viewers all over Europe. Maybe the cameras should have focussed on players like him and not shown the antics of the apes following the game. Hate to think that if we have kids following the diving antics of Ronaldo, Drogba, Messi, Gerard, and the likes that they might also follow the example of some of the Chelsea players after the game and think they are within their rights to abuse refs after games.


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  • #112
    Dolph Starbeam
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    The talk about Chelsea saying Uefa don't want another all English final is rubbish too, em simple fact if they wanted that why would the ref have sent off Abidal :confused::rolleyes:


  • #113
    anonymous_joe
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    I don't like Drogba any less than the next man, but in all fairness he was trying his hardest to win and was clearly quite passionate about it, something to keep in mind when people criticise his dedication to the cause.

    The ref in football is not protected enough. And a big culprit there is themselves. If Ballack, Drogba, etc had all been given red cards they'd think twice about doing that again. If Terry got a yellow card every time he complained to the ref he'd never finish a match - do that to him and he'll stop.

    Rugby and football are both good sports but comparisons are obviously flawed -they're both different.

    However, stuff like only the captain being allowed talk to the referee reduce the scope for him being influenced. And in fairness, there's often the option to have someone watch a replay of crucial calls.


  • #114
    Jigsaw
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    I would call for the sternest punishment available for Drogba and Ballack. A good serious fine that'll make them think about what they've done - not some gay amount like £2000 - a good few month's wages or something. And a suspension as well. This crap needs to be nipped in the bud as behaviour like this will seep down to lower levels of the game.


  • #115
    Johnny Utah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭✭Johnny Utah


    Eamon Dunphy wrote: »
    Are you sure Ballack actually slapped the ref?

    I don't think he physically touched him tbh

    Yeah, he put his left hand on the ref (twice I think). You can watch it here in slow motion:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCGB1gXkLaM


  • #116
    JerryHandbag
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    What a sight, the vision of Drogba shouting down the camera at the viewers. He should take a look at Frank Lampard on how to lose graciously.


  • #117
    zAbbo
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    PHB wrote: »
    I'm sorry, there's an extremely simple way to stop this which nobody talks about. The reason nobody challenges anyone in rugby is because if you did, you'd be off the pitch.

    There is absolutely no reason why Ballack should not have had a straight red card for what he did. The same is true of Ballack.
    If you did that, nobody would ever do it again.

    You're talking about a whole mindset change. Respecting the ref's decision is drilled into rugby players from a very young age - and is followed through, sometimes teaching a harsh lesson.

    Complaining about a decision against you can lead to the penalty being moved up 10 (which you can do in footie?) or decisions being reversed - which can win or lose games.

    And that's all that's needed - the first person to get sent off for backchat/harassing ref or get a decision reversed or losing 10 metres on a free kick - AND possibly losing the game - will see an immediate difference.

    No backchat is another great law.

    Part of me despises modern football, diving whingers, games ruined by incompetent and outdated ruling bodies.

    The technology is there for video ref's, goal line replays, questioning calls (like tennis) - it's just a case of turning it on


  • #118
    IrishIrish
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    deisedevil wrote: »
    Yep, clapped to the fans, handed over his jersey and headed off. Maybe he went into the dressing room and kicked everything in there but he didn't disgrace himself in frint of millions of viewers all over Europe. Maybe the cameras should have focussed on players like him and not shown the antics of the apes following the game. Hate to think that if we have kids following the diving antics of Ronaldo, Drogba, Messi, Gerard, and the likes that they might also follow the example of some of the Chelsea players after the game and think they are within their rights to abuse refs after games.

    :confused:

    Definitly not a diver even though he gets worse treatment than most if not all the others you mention and the smallest and weakest of the lot.


  • #119
    [Deleted User]
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    anonymous_joe wrote: »
    I don't like Drogba any less than the next man, but in all fairness he was trying his hardest to win and was clearly quite passionate about it, something to keep in mind when people criticise his dedication to the cause.

    The ref in football is not protected enough. And a big culprit there is themselves. If Ballack, Drogba, etc had all been given red cards they'd think twice about doing that again. If Terry got a yellow card every time he complained to the ref he'd never finish a match - do that to him and he'll stop.

    Rugby and football are both good sports but comparisons are obviously flawed -they're both different.

    However, stuff like only the captain being allowed talk to the referee reduce the scope for him being influenced. And in fairness, there's often the option to have someone watch a replay of crucial calls.

    I agree with most of this post, except the bit in bold, I think if Drogba was truly passionate about the game he wouldn't stay down for 2 minutes every time he gets touched, he acts like a big baby when he doesn't get his way throwing a hissy fit. I don't really consider that as passion.

    He should definetly look at how Lampard acted after match and take some notes.


  • #120
    SlickRic
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    Eamon Dunphy wrote: »
    Contrast the behaviour of Drogba and Ballack with that of Darren Fletcher on Tuesday night.

    Fletcher just walked off with a bit of a disappointed look on his face.

    or Lampard for that matter.

    class among the clowns.

    just stood there about to cry from what i could see, swapped shirts with, while congratulating the tie-winner Iniesta.

    i've a lot more respect for Frank after the last couple of weeks.

    EDIT: just skimming last couple of pages, and it's good to see others noticing Frank's behaviour too.


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  • #121
    Iang87
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    personally dont believe drogba or ballack are disgraces for last night, whilst it can be said they should have respected the ref the ref didnt earn that respect with his inability to do his job correctly.

    in general ya drogba dives he just gets much more criticised for it than oh i dunno a Man Utd number 7 who is more disrespectful to the game of football than drogba ever will be.


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