Sad Irish losers supporting foreign teams

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:27AM

mayordenis wrote: »

No it doesn't.
It clearly defines who you are. END.

Putting end at the end doesn't make something the end, same as putting fact at the end doesn't make something a fact. But trust me, if you were born in Nairobi or Plymouth you'd be a different person with different interests. FACT.:D

AIR-AUSSIE · 02-05-2009 01:29AM

DSB wrote: »

I never said Shelbourne weren't run as a business, why are you telling me what I already know? Do I concern myself with the business end of things? To a limited extent yes, but only in how it affects the football end of things.

So then how do they hold any more affiliation then that of SPAR or any other business?

marko91 · 02-05-2009 01:29AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me or not!

1) Yes - you did not choose to support Liverpool as a newborn child, so as an autonomous fully grown adult, would you not question why the hell you do support them?

2) No - you don't have the right to support Liverpool. Why do you have the right? Just because it was the team annointed to you as an unquestioning newborn. Is that a reason? No. What gave your parents th right to support Liverpool? - Nothing by the sounds of it.
Were you born in Liverpool? Does a family member or friend play for Liverpool? Do you have shares in Liverpool? - These are valid reasons to support a football club.

3) Why are there basically no Hibernian fans in Ireland compared with Celtic fans? Considering Hibernian means Irish, I would have thought the same logical justification for Irish support exists. Oh yes, because they don't win silverware. Pathetic.

Sorry man - If I saw you, a mature Irish man, in a Liverpool jersey - I'd have absolutely no respect for you.

ive been in love with liverpool since as long as i can rember, just cos im old enough to think for myself doesnt mean im gona desert the team ive looked up to all my life!...we are trophyless the last 3 seasons, if i want to support trophys ill put a man utd jersey on but no im liverpool til i die

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 01:30AM

mayordenis wrote: »

No it doesn't.
It clearly defines who you are. END.

This is it in a nutshell.

Everyone can have their own reasons for supporting someone Being branded a loser or to be told by someone that there belonging/feeling towards the club is lessened because they are not from there is completely flawed.

From what I've seen what we have is LOI fans taking some stupid moral high ground. Taking any little chance to take a dig at these people.

I intend to make this my last post on this issue as to be honest theres too much ****e being posted and id be spending all night replying to it.

Cmon UTD, hopefully MY club will take a big step towards the title tomorrow with a win at Boro

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:31AM

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

So then how do they hold any more affiliation then that of SPAR or any other business?

If you don't understand how football clubs are unique entities, then you just don't understand.

conorlechance · 02-05-2009 01:31AM

hahah don't use that one there, liverpool are a big global team,and they have won trophies in the past three seasons. its still gloryhunting.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:32AM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

This is it in a nutshell.

Everyone can have their own reasons for supporting someone Being branded a loser or to be told by someone that there belonging/feeling towards the club is lessened because they are not from there is completely flawed.

From what I've seen what we have is LOI fans taking some stupid moral high ground. Taking any little chance to take a dig at these people.

I intend to make this my last post on this issue as to be honest theres too much ****e being posted and id be spending all night replying to it.

Cmon UTD, hopefully MY club will take a big step towards the title tomorrow with a win at Boro

Hopefully so, I'm sure you'll be there in the stand cheering away:D

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 01:32AM

mayordenis wrote: »

Liverpools success or lack thereof in the early nighties when I was 3/4 had really no baring on my decision.
You guys are just a certain type of person who derives some pleasure from taking the arduos less enjoyable route just to bash on other, it's cheap very very cheap.

When you were 3/4!!! Could you honestly decide what team you wanted to support at that age? I do believe the age of consent/legal consent is a bit higher.

There is the other phenomenon in my theory - The embarressed to halt support syndrome of football.

There is nothing to be embarressed about unless you are changing, and for "unethical" reasons - basically to a winning team.

Full respect to a man who says what the hell am I supporting this team for anyway? And drops them like a sack of spuds

- free yourselves young men and women of Ireland!!!!!!!!

Galvasean · 02-05-2009 01:33AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

I've answered a similar question before - No local team?
You do not NEED to support a team.

I don't NEED a nice car, fancy clothes and a big DVD collection either but it doesn't stop anyone.

MoodyMedic wrote: »

You can still play soccer/sport yourself and enjoy watching matches. There is no requirement to support a team. Some people may feel the need to belong to a team, but you do not need to. (You will always belong to the Republic of Ireland!)

Like many things I don't NEED it, but I want it and can afford it, so I will ahve it and I have every right to do so.

MoodyMedic wrote: »

If there is no local team, and there are enough people passionate about the sport, then why not start one up in your community? This happens all the time for all sorts of sports. (Note to self - Start inline skating league in Ireland)

Something similar happened in my town a few years back (not by me, mind) but the attempt was squashed by the local team (those corrupt fat cats I mentioned earlier) who bsically blocked every application for the new team to have an official place to play.

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 01:33AM

Galvasean wrote: »

I don't NEED a nice car, fancy clothes and a big DVD collection either but it doesn't stop anyone.

Like many things I don't NEED it, but I want it and can afford it, so I will ahve it and I have every right to do so.

Something similar happened in my town a few years back (not by me, mind) but the attempt was squashed by the local team (those corrupt fat cats I mentioned earlier) who bsically blocked every application for the new team to have an official place to play.

So you support Liverpool - not a great solution in my opinion

AIR-AUSSIE · 02-05-2009 01:35AM

DSB wrote: »

If you don't understand how football clubs are unique entities, then you just don't understand.

Unique entities? Explain

What that they allow Shelbourne fans an excuse to beat other fans because they support another team? Yea I see how they are unique - an excuse to become your fellow supporters to become thugs and hooligans.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:37AM

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

Unique entities? Explain

What that they allow Shelbourne fans an excuse to beat other fans because they support another team? Yea I see how they are unique - an excuse to become your fellow supporters to become thugs and hooligans.

Where does hooliganism come into it exactly? You've kind of taken me by surprise with that 1. Are you accusing me of being 1, or making out like Ireland has a bigger problem than elsewhere with it, I'm really not sure?

A Primal Nut · 02-05-2009 01:38AM

1)The LoI is mostly a Dublin league, not an Irish league, therefore I feel no more affiliation with the League Of Ireland than the Spanish league, English league, Bulgarian league or Malaysian league. I'm from Cavan - I don't have a local soccer team therefore I can support whoever I want, especially a team I have an affiliation with since I was a boy and didn't understand politics but all i knew was my favourite player was Dennis Bergkamp.

2) I'm Irish I was born in Ireland thats it. I couldn't give a **** about Irish culture though. I hate the language, don't give a **** about a United Ireland, don't play GAA and find League Of Ireland boring.

3)I'm happy I was born and grew up here, but just because your from Ireland doesn't mean you have to do Irish things and support Irish stuff. What if your not interested in Irish culture?

4)all the stereotypical stuff mentioned in the OP - lower class, loser, etc. don't apply to me.

5)I've supported Arsenal since I was four. I doubt I am making up for anything in my own life anymore than I was when I started supporting them.

marco_polo · 02-05-2009 01:39AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

When you were 3/4!!! Could you honestly decide what team you wanted to support at that age? I do believe the age of consent/legal consent is a bit higher.

There is the other phenomenon in my theory - The embarressed to halt support syndrome of football.

There is nothing to be embarressed about unless you are changing, and for "unethical" reasons - basically to a winning team.

Full respect to a man who says what the hell am I supporting this team for anyway? And drops them like a sack of spuds

- free yourselves young men and women of Ireland!!!!!!!!

If you are going to play the patriotic Irish card BS then you are really using the wrong sport.

Galvasean · 02-05-2009 01:39AM

DSB wrote: »

London is a hell of alot further man

It's not a simple case of geography though. I've been to London (for various reasons) more times than I've been in Santry. Heck, i even have relatives who live in London (not so as far as Santry is concerned). Basically i have a lot more conections with London than I do with Santry. So it could certainly be argued taht I have much more of a 'right' tosupport a London based club than a Santry based one.
The definition of 'your own personal club' to me anyway, is a lot more than geographical convenience.

DSB wrote:

And don't worry Sporting Fingal fans aren't lovely people:D

Okay, i'll ad taht to my dossier on why I don't support them and use you as my reference. :P

AIR-AUSSIE · 02-05-2009 01:40AM

DSB wrote: »

Where does hooliganism come into it exactly? You've kind of taken me by surprise with that 1. Are you accusing me of being 1, or making out like Ireland has a bigger problem than elsewhere with it, I'm really not sure?

I asked what uniqueness a club has, I thought Shelbourne's might be its hooliganism, it was the only thing that comes to mind when I think of them, sorry perhaps a broad assumption, but the only one that could be made seeing as I can't see how clubs are unique, unless u can elaborate.

Nulty · 02-05-2009 01:40AM

I got tired at page 6 so i skipped the rest.

I support MUFC and own a jersey. I 'support' Bohs too but do not own a jersey. I'm not from around Dalymount Pk. I support Bohs because my grandfather did. I support MUFC because my mother did in the 60' and my older brother does too. Roy Keane and Dennis Irwin clinched it for me.

I spend a little money on Utd, got a present of tickets to chelsea game given to me for christmas...wouldnt be much of a present to go to Dalymount!

These are the reasons I am connected to these clubs. I do agree that Irish people should at least give their local/national teams and sports a go.

its sky makes prem more appealing. Also I agree that the FAI and any irish governing body of sport spoils Irish sport for Irish people. Piss ups and brewery's.

Its amazing how quickly i lost interest in this post....my head hurts

apologies if this doesnt contribute

Koloman · 02-05-2009 01:41AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

LOL - how/why do you LOVE Liverpool football club? Is it not so sad that a grown man loves something so superficial and trivial. Do you not have more important and relevant things in your own life? Family, career, health. Sure enjoy and unwind with a football match, but to LOVE an English premiership club. Oh dear God....

You have got some flack here Moodymedic but I support most of what you say. It irritates me when I hear Irish born and bred supporters on TV and radio saying "my team, our team etc ..." They are referring to the Liverpool's and United's of this world when most of them have never set foot in these places to start with.

They are lazy glory hunting idiots who idolise Sky Sports and have no pride in their own local teams. It's easy to say the local game is crap or rubbish but most of them have not even seen a local game!

I don't know how you can get excited about a team like Liverpool or Chelsea wining anything when they have flip all to do with this country. So what if some of them have the odd Irish guy playing for them.

I understand the pride people have in the the Munster/Leinster rugby, I get the GAA obsession and I have huge respect for the League of Ireland supporter who follows their team week in and week out in the face of the premiership monolith next door.

When their team wins something it means a lot. What in Gods name can you get out of an English team winning anything. It's a soulless event devoid of any meaning to the average Joe.

If Manchester united win the premiership and you are from Manchester I get that but if you are from any Irish town then what's in it for you? It's crazy stuff and the fact that our former Prime Minister Bertie Ahern was the biggest proponent of this says it all about us as a nation! Does Gordon Brown support Shamrock Rovers? Obviously not!

Galvasean · 02-05-2009 01:44AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

So you support Liverpool - not a great solution in my opinion

Arsenal

As I've said before I've supported them since I was a kid as a means it to stick it to the United/Pool majority and have stuck with them through thick and thin.
Nothing a few admirably zealous Eircom league fans say to me will change my opinion on the matter.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:45AM

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

I asked what uniqueness a club has, I thought Shelbourne's might be its hooliganism, it was the only thing that comes to mind when I think of them, sorry perhaps a broad assumption, but the only one that could be made seeing as I can't see how clubs are unique, unless u can elaborate.

Our hooliganism problem isn't very bad. I mean theres incidents here and there, but I mean its nothing compared to your typical disco or nightclub which house similar amounts of people, I'm not being an apologist here, I view the people who involve themselves in this activity with utter contempt, but at Shels it really isn't that bad, I've never been in a single fight at a Shels game, nor have I personally seen one, or been started on, or seen anyone being started on. I do however know there have been incidents, yes.

AIR-AUSSIE · 02-05-2009 01:45AM

Galvasean wrote: »

Arsenal

As I've said before I've supported them since I was a kid as a means it to stick it to the United/Pool majority and have stuck with them through thick and thin.
Nothing a few admirably zealous Eircom league fans say to me will change my opinion on the matter.

I support Juventus & Arsenal for a similar reason.

AIR-AUSSIE · 02-05-2009 01:46AM

DSB wrote: »

Our hooliganism problem isn't very bad. I mean theres incidents here and there, but I mean its nothing compared to your typical disco or nightclub which house similar amounts of people, I'm not being an apologist here, I view the people who involve themselves in this activity with utter contempt, but at Shels it really isn't that bad, I've never been in a single fight at a Shels game, nor have I personally seen one, or been started on, or seen anyone being started on. I do however know there have been incidents, yes.

Fair enough but you still have answered the question.

Uniqueness of Shelbourne or other football clubs?

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:48AM

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

Fair enough but you still have answered the question.

Uniqueness of Shelbourne or other football clubs?

All football clubs I'd say, although its quickly being sucked out of Man United, Liverpool, Celtic I'd say. If it hasn't been already.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:49AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU

Koloman · 02-05-2009 01:53AM

I prefer this one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF_uOgyBK1c&feature=related

A lot of you on here probably think its a real promo!

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 02:24AM

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

Fair enough but you still have answered the question.

Uniqueness of Shelbourne or other football clubs?

Hey Aussie, I just read back on your Irish posts - very impressive,

ach na bionn imni ort a chara, ta me in an mo teanga a labhairt

Helix · 02-05-2009 05:18AM

conorlechance wrote: »

to me supporting english clubs is like believing in god because your mummy told you do. mindless and ignorant.

whats the difference between supporting an english club because your whole family supports them, and supporting an irish club because your whole family supports them?

Helix · 02-05-2009 05:18AM

conorlechance wrote: »

nope, its brilliant these clowns think their somehow 'real' fans, yet there is no difference between a liverpool 'fan' from dublin or Oslo and a liverpool 'fan' from beijing.

what about a liverpool fan from dublin who goes to 18 games a season?

Helix · 02-05-2009 05:20AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Unless you have a direct link eg. You were born there, you grew up there, you know a player personally, have shares in the club (weak justification) I cannot see what right you have to support these clubs.

you apply this to loi fans who dont fit the same criteria yes?

Helix · 02-05-2009 05:21AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Well Galvasean, this is my respect verdict!

Unwaivering support - respect
No link to club - no respect

and unwavering support to a club you have no physical link to?

Sad Irish losers supporting foreign teams

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