Sad Irish losers supporting foreign teams

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:09AM

mayordenis wrote: »

over thinking and too seriously are very very different completely unrelated things.
You just read what you want though.

No I just genuinely don't understand, how am I over thinking? Shelbourne are a club that are genuinely mine, Liverpool belong to the people of Liverpool. I would have thought thats a very basic principle, if anything I could be accused of under thinking.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:10AM

marco_polo wrote: »

I am still struggling to understand why people are so concerned about what other people chose to do with their free time?

Only now you're struggling to understand this? Do you live in a shoe? Two words, Jade Goody.

Galvasean · 02-05-2009 01:10AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Well mostly because you are supporting a team based on it being successful which is ideotic.

Idiotic

Don't mind me.

DSB wrote: »

Ah they are to be fair.

They play in Santry. I've never set foot there as far as I'm aware. They aren't my local team (as my previous post explained).

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 01:11AM

DSB wrote: »

Villa would be my 'I grew up supporting them' club. I'm hardly going to do a full turn and decide I hate them ya know? I like Villa.

You supported them when you were younger and then switched to your local club? Can you not see then why someone may chose to stick with a club whereas you made a choice not to? Can they not gain some sort of affiliation with a team that they watched as a child and show some loyalty towards them by continued support?

AIR-AUSSIE · 02-05-2009 01:11AM

DSB wrote: »

No I just genuinely don't understand, how am I over thinking? Shelbourne are a club that are genuinely mine, Liverpool belong to the people of Liverpool. I would have thought thats a very basic principle, if anything I could be accused of under thinking.

I believe Liverpool are a Public business owned by their shareholders.....
Shelbourne would be along the same lines....

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 01:12AM

DSB wrote: »

grown men with logical thinking.

pretty ironic you should say this

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:12AM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

You supported them when you were younger and then switched to your local club? Can you not see then why someone may chose to stick with a club whereas you made a choice not to? Can they not gain some sort of affiliation with a team that they watched as a child and show some loyalty towards them by continued support?

Not to my local club, to MY club, theres a difference. And of course I can see that people feel an affiliation through continued support, but it is a very false one. I can spend years convincing myself that I'm a homosexual, and live a very homosexual lifestyle, but it won't it make it so.

Ps. Sorry, I had to make my 3000th post a little bit bizarre.

marco_polo · 02-05-2009 01:13AM

DSB wrote: »

No I just genuinely don't understand, how am I over thinking? Shelbourne are a club that are genuinely mine, Liverpool belong to the people of Liverpool. I would have thought thats a very basic principle, if anything I could be accused of under thinking.

The thing is for the vast majority of people is the country there is no local club, even in large areas of Dublin.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:13AM

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

I believe Liverpool are a Public business owned by their shareholders.....
Shelbourne would be along the same lines....

What is your point? I don't concern myself with business. I'm a fan of Shels.

p_larkin99 wrote: »

pretty ironic you should say this

No its really not.

Galvasean · 02-05-2009 01:14AM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

You supported them when you were younger and then switched to your local club? Can you not see then why someone may chose to stick with a club whereas you made a choice not to? Can they not gain some sort of affiliation with a team that they watched as a child and show some loyalty towards them by continued support?

Agreed. Who you support becomes part of who you are. I still get, "Oh look, here comes the Arsenal fan" comments from people I barely know, but remember me as being that stubborn Arsenal git fan from school.

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 01:14AM

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

SO whats your moral code in relation to choosing your football team?

This must be the 4th or 5th time.

I would consider myself to have the moral right to support a sporting club under the following conditions (and/or):

1) It is the nearest club to me
2) I have played for the club
3) I spent a significant time in the town/city of the club (eg. born there)
4) I know a player of the club personally (eg. brother plays for Liverpool)
5) I have an additional interest in the club - eg management, share holding etc.

Excludes me from support:
1) I am told to support the club by others
2) I support the club solely because they are doing well.
3) I have absolutely no link whatsoever to the club.
4) The players wives are sexy.

Those are just off the top of my head.

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 01:14AM

DSB wrote: »

Liverpool belong to the people of Liverpool

LOL

again I could not disagree with you more here mate. Why should someone be bound/obligated to appreciate and support something based on the fact that they were born there. That to me is completely stupid. That being a reason is fair enough but to be bound by it is plain retarded imo.

looks like its just something that we will not ever agree on i guess

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:15AM

marco_polo wrote: »

The thing is for the vast majority of people is the country there is no local club, even in large areas of Dublin.

Everywhere in Dublin has a local club, some people just like to say they don't because it involves a commuter bus journey or something like that. Oh god, what a sacrifice.

I can kind of understand when someone from Mayo says they wouldn't feel comfortable supporting Sligo, or someone from Roscommon saying they wouldn't feel comfortable supporting Longford, but then when they go and support a team from the country that ruled us for yonks, it becomes a little bit of a frayed logic, and no I'm not a nationalist or a patriot, but it just messes up the logic a tad bit. And everything we do involves a logic.

marco_polo · 02-05-2009 01:16AM

DSB wrote: »

Only now you're struggling to understand this? Do you live in a shoe? Two words, Jade Goody.

I know what you mean, but I still don't understand it.

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 01:16AM

Galvasean wrote: »

Idiotic
Don't mind me.

They play in Santry. I've never set foot there as far as I'm aware. They aren't my local team (as my previous post explained).

Well if I spent the time correcting the spelling/typo errors from contributors on this thread, I'd be here until Tuesday

;)

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 01:17AM

DSB wrote: »

Not to my local club, to MY club, theres a difference. And of course I can see that people feel an affiliation through continued support, but it is a very false one. I can spend years convincing myself that I'm a homosexual, and live a very homosexual lifestyle, but it won't it make it so.

Ps. Sorry, I had to make my 3000th post a little bit bizarre.

nice milestone

who are you to say its a false one? how can you tell someone to feel any less towards something just because they were not born in that place? just makes zero sense

Galvasean · 02-05-2009 01:17AM

Hey MoodyMedic, could you answer my query?

Galvasean wrote: »

Query:

I don't support an Eircom eague team as I have no local team in that league. The nearest one to me is Sporting Fingal, but they are certainly not 'local' to me. The team of my home town play in a regional league (no shame in that btw). Here's where the problem is. It's a real "Hows yer father?" club, ie: the people who play in the first team are all either related to those in the club's heirarchy or are long time friends. It's basically the playground of the fat cats and back scrathers. As a result many talented players have slipped through the cracks so to speak. I cannot stand such corruption so I will not bring myself to support them.
So what do i do now, do I support the next closest team geographically (ironically teams from rival towns) or do i simply continue to support the (foreign) team I liked as a boy (when they were crap for the record)?

Oh and bear in mind I have already dismissed teh notion of Sporting Fingal being my 'local' team in a subsequent post.

Hate when posts get missed on fast moving threads.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:19AM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

LOL

again I could not disagree with you more here mate. Why should someone be bound/obligated to appreciate and support something based on the fact that they were born there. That to me is completely stupid. That being a reason is fair enough but to be bound by it is plain retarded imo.

looks like its just something that we will not ever agree on i guess

Nobody is being forced to appreciate or support anything here, I don't really care what you people do that much. I'm just referring to the absolute nuts logic, because these aren't just people that like to watch Liverpool play football, they hate Everton with a massive contempt, that I would only share for the other Dublin clubs in the league, and that doesn't make sense to me. If it was just a matter of Irish people viewing better quality football as entertainment, then yeah, but no, thats not the case. They like to play the scouse or manc along the way.

Galvasean · 02-05-2009 01:20AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Well if I spent the time correcting the spelling/typo errors from contributors on this thread, I'd be here until Tuesday ;)

Hey youre talking to a guy who has trouble typing teh word 'the'.

Right I'm off to bed folks. Keep the interesting debate going. i'll need something interesting to read tommorrow after work.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:20AM

Galvasean wrote: »

They play in Santry. I've never set foot there as far as I'm aware. They aren't my local team (as my previous post explained).

Its just down the road man.

mayordenis · 02-05-2009 01:22AM

Liverpools success or lack thereof in the early nighties when I was 3/4 had really no baring on my decision.
You guys are just a certain type of person who derives some pleasure from taking the arduos less enjoyable route just to bash on other, it's cheap very very cheap.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:22AM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

nice milestone

who are you to say its a false one? how can you tell someone to feel any less towards something just because they were not born in that place? just makes zero sense

It makes loads of sense though. Everything we do is in some way linked to where we're from, it defines who we are. I can't tell you not to do anything, and I'm not trying to. I gave up on barstoolers supporting LOI yonks ago.

AIR-AUSSIE · 02-05-2009 01:23AM

DSB wrote: »

What is your point? I don't concern myself with business. I'm a fan of Shels.

I think you find you do concern yourself with business, you pay to get in the turnstile don't you? No matter what the owners marketing spin would want you to believe Shelbourne is a profit-making organisation. THe investors are not doing it for the love of the game.

Shelbourne are no more local then the SPAR down the road. In reality affilation with Shelbourne is no more meaningful to my affiliation with O'Brien's sandwich franchise.

mayordenis · 02-05-2009 01:23AM

I'm gonna drive to waterford now from cork cause work is over for me,
I'm gonna take a dump in the RSC now so nobody can play there, are you happy?

see you in the roller disco.

marco_polo · 02-05-2009 01:23AM

DSB wrote: »

Everywhere in Dublin has a local club, some people just like to say they don't because it involves a commuter bus journey or something like that. Oh god, what a sacrifice.

I can kind of understand when someone from Mayo says they wouldn't feel comfortable supporting Sligo, or someone from Roscommon saying they wouldn't feel comfortable supporting Longford, but then when they go and support a team from the country that ruled us for yonks, it becomes a little bit of a frayed logic, and no I'm not a nationalist or a patriot, but it just messes up the logic a tad bit. And everything we do involves a logic.

I am from Clare so I get the choice of Limerick 37 or Galway United. From a glory hunting point of view I would have to go as far as Cork.

To be honest I get the impression that the whole LOI vs PL supporters thing is mostly a Dublin thing that I will never understand (I have never even seen it a row about it outside Dub), because it isn't really an option for most of us culchies.

Anyway us stick bog ball players think you soccer lads are all the same

(Joke)

Galvasean · 02-05-2009 01:24AM

DSB wrote: »

Its just down the road man.

My local team are in my home town (I don't like them for different reasons stated ina previous post). I've never set foot in Santry. I have no affiliations with Santry. None of my friends are from there (I'm sure they're lovely people. I just havent gotten to know them!).
They have nothing to do with me. They are not MY team.

mayordenis · 02-05-2009 01:24AM

DSB wrote: »

it defines who we are.

No it doesn't.
It clearly defines who you are. END.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:24AM

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

I think you find you do concern yourself with business, you pay to get in the turnstile don't you? No matter what the owners marketing spin would want you to believe Shelbourne is a profit-making organisation. THe investors are not doing it for the love of the game.

Shelbourne are no more local then the SPAR down the road. In reality affilation with Shelbourne is no more meaningful to my affiliation with O'Brien's sandwich franchise.

I never said Shelbourne weren't run as a business, why are you telling me what I already know? Do I concern myself with the business end of things? To a limited extent yes, but only in how it affects the football end of things.

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 01:25AM

Galvasean wrote: »

Hey MoodyMedic, could you answer my query?

Oh and bear in mind I have already dismissed teh notion of Sporting Fingal being my 'local' team in a subsequent post.

Hate when posts get missed on fast moving threads.

I know what you mean - I've missed a few.

I've answered a similar question before - No local team?
You do not NEED to support a team. You can still play soccer/sport yourself and enjoy watching matches. There is no requirement to support a team. Some people may feel the need to belong to a team, but you do not need to. (You will always belong to the Republic of Ireland!)

If there is no local team, and there are enough people passionate about the sport, then why not start one up in your community? This happens all the time for all sorts of sports. (Note to self - Start inline skating league in Ireland)

If the LOI is as bad as people say, then the competition won't be off-putting.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:25AM

Galvasean wrote: »

My local team are in my home town (I don't like them for different reasons stated ina previous post). I've never set foot in Santry. I have no affiliations with Santry. None of my friends are from there (I'm sure they're lovely people. I just havent gotten to know them!).
They have nothing to do with me. They are not MY team.

London is a hell of alot further man. And don't worry Sporting Fingal fans aren't lovely people:D

Sad Irish losers supporting foreign teams

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