Sad Irish losers supporting foreign teams

AIR-AUSSIE · 02-05-2009 12:51AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Explain it to me. Considered I used it first, I should know what I mean by it.

When I use the word "right" I mean "morally, ethically". I don't mean they are free to.

This debate is getting worse, I think its near over.

So you're saying you should bring ethics and morals into a decision to pick the team you support. Sh!t maybe theres a club in Rwanda or Somalia that would be better off with my support so WTF....

mayordenis · 02-05-2009 12:52AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Explain it to me. Considered I used it first, I should know what I mean by it.

When I use the word "right" I mean "morally, ethically". I don't mean they are free to.

This debate is getting worse, I think its near over.

It should never of started to be honest,
But regardless of how you deemed it to be used it's still wrong.

I have the right to support Liverpool FC.

You see it's difficult for me to pick apart your argument because you don't really have one

it's esentially "It's wrong because I say it's wrong"

what other points
"you don't come from the area" why is that wrong?
"I have no family playing for the team" why is that wrong?
etc. etc.

The onus is completely on you to stop this bafoonary.

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 12:53AM

mayordenis wrote: »

I hope if ever you were in a time of need someone forms a "personal opinion" of you based on something so minor as your choice of sports team to follow.

Here's another perfect anology, My mate supports some american football team in the NFL, now there is a league, but you could barely call it a league, should he be called into question here?
The leagues here are so small it's impossible to not be drawn in by the spectacle of the game played at the highest level.

Your mate can appreciate this NFL team, watch the games, but he has no (ethical/moral) right to support it. He has no link to the team.
If anyone met an Irish guy who said he is a 49ers supporter/fan - the first thing anyone would ask - why?

If anyone met the same guy who said the 49ers had a great game last night, I don't think people would ask much - do you?

Galvasean · 02-05-2009 12:55AM

Query:

I don't support an Eircom eague team as I have no local team in that league. The nearest one to me is Sporting Fingal, but they are certainly not 'local' to me. The team of my home town play in a regional league (no shame in that btw). Here's where the problem is. It's a real "Hows yer father?" club, ie: the people who play in the first team are all either related to those in the club's heirarchy or are long time friends. It's basically the playground of the fat cats and back scrathers. As a result many talented players have slipped through the cracks so to speak. I cannot stand such corruption so I will not bring myself to support them.
So what do i do now, do I support the next closest team geographically (ironically teams from rival towns) or do i simply continue to support the (foreign) team I liked as a boy (when they were crap for the record)?

conorlechance · 02-05-2009 12:56AM

South Park should make an episode based on the Irish barstooler, would be amazing, some of AIR-Aussies quotes would be excellent for it.

In America they call people who shun the MLS 'Europhiles', what term is best used to describe our breathe? We can't use the term europhile as we are european and as well people just follow British clubs, so Euro would be too general, ummmm I will have to come back to that.

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 12:56AM

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

So you're saying you should bring ethics and morals into a decision to pick the team you support. Sh!t maybe theres a club in Rwanda or Somalia that would be better off with my support so WTF....

That is the most retarded retort I have ever heard in my life - LOL

Yes ethics/morals should be involved - you should ask yourself why am I supporting this team? Am I jumping on the success bandwagon (which most are, except Mr WBA) - that is where it comes in.

AIR-AUSSIE · 02-05-2009 12:56AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

he has no (ethical/moral) right to support it. He has no link to the team.

Pleas elaborate on what you mean there cos it actually worries me what you're saying. Really how can ethics come into this???

mayordenis · 02-05-2009 12:56AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

but he has no (ethical/moral) right to support it. He has no link to the team.

But you are still not explaining why not having a link to the team you support is immoral?

grenache · 02-05-2009 12:57AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

You have NO right to support these teams. Get a life - your own life.

Who says we have no right to support them? I suggest that its you who should get a life and stop lecturing others on how to lead theirs.

DSB · 02-05-2009 12:58AM

Some of the posts in here are really embarassing, and not from the OP. It seems barstoolers use any technicality to dismiss points made about the fickleness of their support of the club they follow.

The oul 'sure I'm supporting them since I was a baby' line is ridiculous, we've ditched all the other silly misguided beliefs we had when we were young children at this point, surely the idea that we've no link with a foreign club should go in that pile.

I'm not a patriot, not by any means. I don't like the GAA, I don't watch Dublin, I don't like rugby, I won't be watching Leinster tomorrow, and I don't really give a fiddlers if they win, and yes I support a sport that isn't Irish so feel free to throw that at me in a vain attempt to disguise the ridicule of the situation. But clubs are geographically located for a reason, otherwise we could separate the 20 teams by colour, by boys or girls names or anything, but no they are geographically located, Liverpool are for the people of Liverpool (or Everton, Tranmere or Accrington Stanley if you're that way inclined), Brighton are for the people of Brighton, and Wexford Youths are for the people of Wexford.

I know Sky TV has blurred the lines a little bit, and I love watching Premiership football as much as the next person, Aston Villa would be my club of choice, and I love watching Barca on a Saturday or Sunday evening, but these clubs aren't anything to me, I'm not from those places, if I followed GAA I wouldn't support Kerry because they play a better standard of GAA, Kilkenny for hurling, or the All Blacks for rugby.

I'm Irish from north Dublin, and I like football so I support Shels. Simple, or so you'd think......

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 12:59AM

mayordenis wrote: »

But you are still not explaining why not having a link to the team you support is immoral?

Well mostly because you are supporting a team based on it being successful which is ideotic.
Why don't you throw a dart at the map of Ireland and support that team in the GAA championship? BECAUSE YOU SUPPORT YOUR OWN TEAM NOT ONE THAT IS WINNING SILVERWARE AT HOME OR IN OTHER COUNTRIES.

conorlechance · 02-05-2009 12:59AM

You do have the right but it is just plain laughable. If you concede you are a gloryhunting barstooler then fair enough but still laughable.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:00AM

Galvasean wrote: »

The nearest one to me is Sporting Fingal, but they are certainly not 'local' to me.

Ah they are to be fair.

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 01:00AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

you should ask yourself why am I supporting this team? I am jumping on the success bandwagon (which most are, except Mr WBA) - that is where it comes in.

You keep talking about winning and bandwagon but yet when people tell you how its influence from their parents (for example) that first got them interested it's just ignored by you.

marco_polo · 02-05-2009 01:00AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

That is the most retarded retort I have ever heard in my life - LOL

Yes ethics/morals should be involved - you should ask yourself why am I supporting this team? I am jumping on the success bandwagon (which most are, except Mr WBA) - that is where it comes in.

I support Liverpool. Looking forward to your explaination as to how exactly that makes me unethical or immoral?

mayordenis · 02-05-2009 01:00AM

DSB wrote: »

we've ditched all the other silly misguided beliefs we had when we were young children at this point, surely the idea that we've no link with a foreign club should go in that pile.

You see you over think the whole football thing, completely,
I've ditched much more important things in live for instance god and all that nonsense, the Irish language aswell,

However I actually do love the club I support, and I don't require being within 15 yards of it at all times to do so.
You do, good on ya, but bring your high horse down from your ivory tower, and just roller blade into the sunset.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:01AM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

You keep talking about winning and bandwagon but yet when people tell you how its influence from their parents (for example) that first got them interested it's just ignored by you.

Do people not spend their whole childhood and teenage years trying to rebel against their parents and do the opposite of everything they want normally?

I know if I had a Da, and he supported a Premiershipclub, I'd probably have done everything I could to support their rivals.

conorlechance · 02-05-2009 01:02AM

DSB wrote: »

Some of the posts in here are really embarassing, and not from the OP. It seems barstoolers use any technicality to dismiss points made about the fickleness of their support of the club they follow.

The oul 'sure I'm supporting them since I was a baby' line is ridiculous, we've ditched all the other silly misguided beliefs we had when we were young children at this point, surely the idea that we've no link with a foreign club should go in that pile.

I'm not a patriot, not by any means. I don't like the GAA, I don't watch Dublin, I don't like rugby, I won't be watching Leinster tomorrow, and I don't really give a fiddlers if they win, and yes I support a sport that isn't Irish so feel free to throw that at me in a vain attempt to disguise the ridicule of the situation. But clubs are geographically located for a reason, otherwise we could separate the 20 teams by colour, by boys or girls names or anything, but no they are geographically located, Liverpool are for the people of Liverpool (or Everton, Tranmere or Accrington Stanley if you're that way inclined), Brighton are for the people of Brighton, and Wexford Youths are for the people of Wexford.

I know Sky TV has blurred the lines a little bit, and I love watching Premiership football as much as the next person, Aston Villa would be my club of choice, and I love watching Barca on a Saturday or Sunday evening, but these clubs aren't anything to me, I'm not from those places, if I followed GAA I wouldn't support Kerry because they play a better standard of GAA, Kilkenny for hurling, or the All Blacks for rugby.

I'm Irish from north Dublin, and I like football so I support Shels. Simple, or so you'd think......

This and tbh I'm anti-patriotism and despise nationalism but I am a football supporter so the choice of club I support is simple to me.

AIR-AUSSIE · 02-05-2009 01:02AM

DSB wrote: »

But clubs are geographically located for a reason, otherwise we could separate the 20 teams by colour, by boys or girls names or anything, but no they are geographically located, Liverpool are for the people of Liverpool (or Everton, Tranmere or Accrington Stanley if you're that way inclined), Brighton are for the people of Brighton, and Wexford Youths are for the people of Wexford.

If that was the case only pple from that area would be allowed play for them. In reality football is a business, an entertainment business. You could argue that your logic could be applied to tv shows or books. Geography has no longer anything to do with it.

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 01:03AM

DSB wrote: »

Some of the posts in here are really embarassing, and not from the OP. It seems barstoolers use any technicality to dismiss points made about the fickleness of their support of the club they follow.

The oul 'sure I'm supporting them since I was a baby' line is ridiculous, we've ditched all the other silly misguided beliefs we had when we were young children at this point, surely the idea that we've no link with a foreign club should go in that pile.

I'm not a patriot, not by any means. I don't like the GAA, I don't watch Dublin, I don't like rugby, I won't be watching Leinster tomorrow, and I don't really give a fiddlers if they win, and yes I support a sport that isn't Irish so feel free to throw that at me in a vain attempt to disguise the ridicule of the situation. But clubs are geographically located for a reason, otherwise we could separate the 20 teams by colour, by boys or girls names or anything, but no they are geographically located, Liverpool are for the people of Liverpool (or Everton, Tranmere or Accrington Stanley if you're that way inclined), Brighton are for the people of Brighton, and Wexford Youths are for the people of Wexford.

I know Sky TV has blurred the lines a little bit, and I love watching Premiership football as much as the next person, Aston Villa would be my club of choice, and I love watching Barca on a Saturday or Sunday evening, but these clubs aren't anything to me, I'm not from those places, if I followed GAA I wouldn't support Kerry because they play a better standard of GAA, Kilkenny for hurling, or the All Blacks for rugby.

I'm Irish from north Dublin, and I like football so I support Shels. Simple, or so you'd think......

So much bs in this post its untrue.

So villa would be the club of your choice? What draws you to Villa?

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:04AM

mayordenis wrote: »

You see you over think the whole football thing, completely,
I've ditched much more important things in live for instance god and all that nonsense, the Irish language aswell,

However I actually do love the club I support, and I don't require being within 15 yards of it at all times to do so.
You do, good on ya, but bring your high horse down from your ivory tower, and just roller blade into the sunset.

You're being very ambiguous here, I'm getting numerous different points from you, but none of them seem to be saying anything, other than I take supporting a football club too seriously, which is ridiculous, you tell a person from Newcastle that right now, and see what they say. Football is life.

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 01:04AM

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

Pleas elaborate on what you mean there cos it actually worries me what you're saying. Really how can ethics come into this???

FFS - I'm not talking about world peace, disease elimination, nuclear disarmament ethics/morality.
I am talking about personal principles/integrity/moral code.

mayordenis · 02-05-2009 01:05AM

DSB wrote: »

You're being very ambiguous here, I'm getting numerous different points from you, but none of them seem to be saying anything, other than I take supporting a football club too seriously, which is ridiculous, you tell a person from Newcastle that right now, and see what they say. Football is life.

over thinking and too seriously are very very different completely unrelated things.
You just read what you want though.

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 01:07AM

DSB wrote: »

Do people not spend their whole childhood and teenage years trying to rebel against their parents and do the opposite of everything they want normally?

I know if I had a Da, and he supported a Premiershipclub, I'd probably have done everything I could to support their rivals.

No i spent my teenage years going to watch football with my dad. Supporting a team to just piss someone else off is pretty stupid really but I guess if thats what people want to do then that is their RIGHT.

conorlechance · 02-05-2009 01:07AM

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

If that was the case only pple from that area would be allowed play for them. In reality football is a business, an entertainment business. You could argue that your logic could be applied to tv shows or books. Geography has no longer anything to do with it.

Exactly, you summed it up perfectly for Irish football fans of Liverpool/Man Utd/Celtic it is entertainment like big brother or britians got talent. For many fans, their football team means everything, and they would never want it to be viewed how you describe.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:07AM

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

If that was the case only pple from that area would be allowed play for them. In reality football is a business, an entertainment business. You could argue that your logic could be applied to tv shows or books. Geography has no longer anything to do with it.

What are you talking about? Why is there always an 'if that was the case, this would be the case'? No, it doesn't work that way. But I wouldn't mind if football clubs players were regionalised, it works grand in GAA, and in reality football is not a business, business men run football clubs, true, but football is not a business men, football is about the people in the stands and terraces, and the 22 players on the pitch.

p_larkin99 wrote: »

So much bs in this post its untrue.

So villa would be the club of your choice? What draws you to Villa?

Villa would be my 'I grew up supporting them' club. I'm hardly going to do a full turn and decide I hate them ya know? I like Villa.

DSB · 02-05-2009 01:08AM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

No i spent my teenage years going to watch football with my dad. Supporting a team to just piss someone else off is pretty stupid really but I guess if thats what people want to do then that is their RIGHT.

I'm talking about children here, very young children. Not grown men with logical thinking.

AIR-AUSSIE · 02-05-2009 01:08AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

FFS - I'm not talking about world peace, disease elimination, nuclear disarmament ethics/morality.
I am talking about personal principles/integrity/moral code.

SO whats your moral code in relation to choosing your football team?

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 01:08AM

mayordenis wrote: »

You see you over think the whole football thing, completely,
I've ditched much more important things in live for instance god and all that nonsense, the Irish language aswell,

However I actually do love the club I support, and I don't require being within 15 yards of it at all times to do so.
You do, good on ya, but bring your high horse down from your ivory tower, and just roller blade into the sunset.

LOL - how/why do you LOVE Liverpool football club? Is it not so sad that a grown man loves something so superficial and trivial. Do you not have more important and relevant things in your own life? Family, career, health. Sure enjoy and unwind with a football match, but to LOVE an English premiership club. Oh dear God....

marco_polo · 02-05-2009 01:09AM

I am still struggling to understand why people are so concerned about what other people chose to do with their free time?

Sad Irish losers supporting foreign teams

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