Sad Irish losers supporting foreign teams

conorlechance · 02-05-2009 12:07AM

lol, stop trying to use that argument. im sure the op doesn't mind that the teams are foreign its the fact they they flock like sheep to watch teams from another country when there are teams to support on their own doorstep.

Galvasean · 02-05-2009 12:11AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

I don't understand why you are a fan of West Bromwich Albion, but appreciate your unwaivering support for a team in trouble - these teams need support.

Most people that I am talking about have an original team, eg Everton, that are now not doing so well, and a current team, eg Man Utd that they are supporting. Respect - Zero.

I started supporting Arsenal as a kid to spite everyone else who folowed United and Liverpool (didn't pick an Irish team because I wasn't aware of an Irish league at the time). Now Arsenal were a mid table side when I started supporting them but gradually got better until their unbeaten Premier League season (They've gotten a lot worse since then but that's beside the point). One could say i've supported them through thick and thin.
So do I get away with it because they werent good when I started supporting, or am I in the zero respect catagory?

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 12:12AM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

Moody do you consider football to be a foreign game?

If it's soccer you're on about, yes, it's origins are foreign. If you mean gaelic football, I assume it is based about soccer (unlike hurling which is indiginous).

I personally have absolutely no problem with foreign games/ideas - it's the support and worship of non local (not even foreign) winning clubs that annoys me.

(Did I pass the test?)

titan18 · 02-05-2009 12:12AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

HELLO MCFLY - What thread are you reading? OMFG

One more time.

Unless you have a direct link eg. You were born there, you grew up there, you know a player personally, have shares in the club (weak justification) I cannot see what right you have to support these clubs.

The "My parents were 'pool supporters" justification is pathetic.

And one more time, as i know this is coming - You can appreciate good teams, but you have not right to support indefinately teams just because they are winning trophies.

Is that enough?

No, any person has the freedom to opinion and expression.Just as you have a right to go inline skating(no matter how weird it is), anyone here has the right to support any club of their choice.I have the freedom to support nay club I want, no matter the reason.

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 12:16AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

If it's soccer you're on about, yes, it's origins are foreign. If you mean gaelic football, I assume it is based about soccer (unlike hurling which is indiginous).

I personally have absolutely no problem with foreign games/ideas - it's the support and worship of non local (not even foreign) winning clubs that annoys me.

(Did I pass the test?)

(no you're failing the test on pretty much every level imo)

being pedantic about the name of it shows just how daft you are making this. It's like me turning around and saying well you're using the English language so call the game football. Petty like much of what you have said.

Do you have a problem with the WBA supporter above? After all they're by no means winning trophies. Or is he to be branded a loser for supporting a foreign team as your original argument suggested?

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 12:17AM

Galvasean wrote: »

I started supporting Arsenal as a kid to spite everyone else who folowed United and Liverpool (didn't pick an Irish team because I wasn't aware of an Irish league at the time). Now Arsenal were a mid table side when I started supporting them but gradually got better until their unbeaten Premier League season (They've gotten a lot worse since then but that's beside the point). One could say i've supported them through thick and thin.
So do I get away with it because they werent good when I started supporting, or am I in the zero respect catagory?

Well Galvasean, this is my respect verdict!

Unwaivering support - respect
No link to club - no respect
Grown man who can now choose to sever support to said club, but does not - low on the respect meter - but for only that decision - you are probably a cool guy otherwise. Bonus respect points for blading BTW

conorlechance · 02-05-2009 12:17AM

AIR-AUSSIE · 02-05-2009 12:17AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

If it's soccer you're on about, yes, it's origins are foreign. If you mean gaelic football, I assume it is based about soccer (unlike hurling which is indiginous).

I personally have absolutely no problem with foreign games/ideas - it's the support and worship of non local (not even foreign) winning clubs that annoys me.

(Did I pass the test?)

So hang on then. Right I'm not allowed support anyone outside my local area. So then if you actually believe your arguement should you not think players who don't play for their home club because they moved abroad for fame, money whatever as losers also? Should they not have stuck through thick n thin with their local team even if it meant earning little or no money?

Your argument so watered down at this point. I would have maybe understood if you were a RA head at least I could understand where your twisted logic was coming from....

Galvasean · 02-05-2009 12:21AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Well Galvasean, this is my respect verdict!

Unwaivering support - respect

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Grown man who can now choose not to sever support to said club - low on the respect meter

Is that not a bit hypocritical?

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 12:22AM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

(no you're failing the test on pretty much every level imo)

being pedantic about the name of it shows just how daft you are making this. It's like me turning around and saying well you're using the English language so call the game football. Petty like much of what you have said.

Do you have a problem with the WBA supporter above? After all they're by no means winning trophies. Or is he to be branded a loser for supporting a foreign team as your original argument suggested?

Calling these supporters losers is inaccurate and unfair on my part - I was a little too passionate/obnoxious when I wrote the inital post - apologies.

But same principles apply, - Why in God's name is he supporting WBA? - what is his link to this club? In fairness, I'd be less annoyed with him as it is not a winning team.

OK?

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 12:23AM

Galvasean wrote: »

Is that not a bit hypocritical?

No - unwaivered because they are doing badly - not bailing out of the sinking ship to a new successful club.

No hypocrasy that I can see, although you may question my insight.

conorlechance · 02-05-2009 12:24AM

What? Please don't equate being a real football supporter with being a 'RA HEAD'?

all throughout the world, football clubs are built on local fanbases, its how it is. i really don't think irish people care about football, going to matches is too much effort for them and diverges from our pub culture for too many hours a week. we live in such a **** country in so many ways. idiots don't realise that manchester united didn't become the club they are over night, they were built and their local fanbase and became succesful because of it.

marco_polo · 02-05-2009 12:25AM

Despite there being two days to go, this thread is a shoe in for ****test thread of the week award.

Knobs like the OP are the reason nobody cares about the 'League of Northside Dublin and a bit of Cork City'.

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 12:27AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Calling these supporters losers is inaccurate and unfair on my part - I was a little too passionate/obnoxious when I wrote the inital post - apologies.

I think this is the first thing that you have posted I have agreed with.

MoodyMedic wrote: »

But same principles apply, - Why in God's name is he supporting WBA? - what is his link to this club? In fairness, I'd be less annoyed with him as it is not a winning team.

OK?

As i said earlier, would you have respect for him for changing his loyalties after years of supporting a particular team? This to me would make no sense.

I don't mind who people support/where they are from/what reasons they have for supporting their team and what I respect is someone who sticks with their club through the bad times. It doesn't matter where they are from, their affiliation with the club is their own business. There will be some lads who post here who know more about their club and its history and traditions than many who are from the place of the club they support. Once you've chosen a team for me its how you support them after that which counts!

conorlechance · 02-05-2009 12:31AM

how can you have an affiliation going to the pub and gawking like an amadan at a tv screen week after week?

Galvasean · 02-05-2009 12:31AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

No - unwaivered because they are doing badly - not bailing out of the sinking ship to a new successful club.

Yeah I understand and agree with that. I too respect anyone who continues to support a struggling team.

MoodyMedic wrote: »

No hypocrasy that I can see, although you may question my insight.

Maybe Im just not reading your posts right but;

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Unwaivering support - respect

So we respect the man who supports his team unwaiveringly...

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Grown man who can now choose not to sever support to said club - low on respect meter

but when he chooses not to sever his support for said team he is now low on the respect meter?

Or am I misreading you

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 12:31AM

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

So hang on then. Right I'm not allowed support anyone outside my local area. So then if you actually believe your arguement should you not think players who don't play for their home club because they moved abroad for fame, money whatever as losers also? Should they not have stuck through thick n thin with their local team even if it meant earning little or no money?

Your argument so watered down at this point. I would have maybe understood if you were a RA head at least I could understand where your twisted logic was coming from....

Talk about trying to punch holes in an oil tanker.

Another simple example - Cork people can support Munster rugby with foreign players on the team. IT IS THEIR LOCAL CLUB. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUPPORT THIS CLUB.

Who mentioned problems with foreign players - I certainly didn't....that's another thread

I hope you don't build bridges for a living with logic like that Air Aussie

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 12:33AM

Galvasean wrote: »

Yeah I understand and agree with that. I too respect anyone who continues to support a struggling team.

Maybe Im just not reading your posts right but;

So we respect the man who supports his team unwaiveringly...

but when he chooses not to sever his support for said team he is now low on the respect meter?

Or am I misreading you

Yes you are right - it should read chooses TO sever his support, and does not

(I'm getting weary from all this defending)

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 12:34AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Another simple example - Cork people can support Munster rugby with foreign players on the team. IT IS THEIR LOCAL CLUB. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUPPORT THIS CLUB.

They also have the right to support whoever the **** they want.

Galvasean · 02-05-2009 12:34AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Yes you are right - it should read chooses TO sever his support

Ah, taht makes much more sense.

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 12:35AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Yes you are right - it should read chooses TO sever his support

This makes slightly more sense now

mayordenis · 02-05-2009 12:37AM

conorlechance wrote: »

What? Please don't equate being a real football supporter with being a 'RA HEAD'?

all throughout the world, football clubs are built on local fanbases, its how it is. i really don't think irish people care about football, going to matches is too much effort for them and diverges from our pub culture for too many hours a week. we live in such a **** country in so many ways. idiots don't realise that manchester united didn't become the club they are over night, they were built and their local fanbase and became succesful because of it.

Don't give me ****e about how much effort it is to support your local team, If it's so much "effort" to you it shouldn't be any bother.
It's fairly simple to turn up to the RSC (well when I lived in waterford) every week and pay the few quid in, but I don't want to, cause the FAI are a shower, waterford united is run poorly, the football is ****e, and the fans are jerks.

andyman · 02-05-2009 12:38AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Calling these supporters losers is inaccurate and unfair on my part - I was a little too passionate/obnoxious when I wrote the inital post - apologies.

But same principles apply, - Why in God's name is he supporting WBA? - what is his link to this club? In fairness, I'd be less annoyed with him as it is not a winning team.

OK?

I have to be linked to the club I follow now?

Oh my days. I come from a family that support all sorts of sides. I chose West Brom when I was 5 because I thought they had a funny name. I'm 18 years old now and I've never looked back.

Like that's been said so many times, you are in no right to tell others who they can and can't support or even question that. Seriously you need to stop digging.

AIR-AUSSIE · 02-05-2009 12:39AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Talk about trying to punch holes in an oil tanker.

Another simple example - Cork people can support Munster rugby with foreign players on the team. IT IS THEIR LOCAL CLUB. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUPPORT THIS CLUB.

Who mentioned problems with foreign players - I certainly didn't....that's another thread

I hope you don't build bridges for a living with logic like that Air Aussie

I was using the players example as it goes along with you're opinion of supporters, what's the difference?

So who made this rule that one may only support a local team, written in the 10 commandments is it?

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 12:41AM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

They also have the right to support whoever the **** they want.

They can support whoever the funk they want, but this whole thread is arguing if they have the right to.

I certainly won't tell them what to do, but I will form a personal opinion of an Irish person who supports these teams, which I am sure you won't agree with.

mayordenis · 02-05-2009 12:42AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

but this whole thread is arguing if they have the right to.

You do not understand the word "right" in that context, I'm sorry you don't.

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 12:45AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

They can support whoever the funk they want, but this whole thread is arguing if they have the right to.

I think you are maybe confused as to what a right is.

MoodyMedic wrote: »

I certainly won't tell them what to do, but I will form a personal opinion of an Irish person who supports these teams, which I am sure you won't agree with.

You seem to be trying your best to tell people.

And no I really do not agree with you at all. I think your 'arguments' are completely flawed

Latchy · 02-05-2009 12:45AM

conorlechance wrote: »

umm i love how your trying to connect support with like globalisation. just because the world is a different place, doesnt mean anything. i once was reading irishkop and some goon said he was over in madrid and swapped jerseys with an ath.madrid fan, i asked did the a.madrid fan not find it a bit odd that he was swapping jerseys with a person let alone not from england but not from the city of liverpool considering athletico fans deride real fans for their corporate nature.

As previous poster said , could you explain that better please ? Would be only to glad to respond if I understood what your on about .

mayordenis · 02-05-2009 12:45AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

They can support whoever the funk they want, but this whole thread is arguing if they have the right to.

I certainly won't tell them what to do, but I will form a personal opinion of an Irish person who supports these teams, which I am sure you won't agree with.

I hope if ever you were in a time of need someone forms a "personal opinion" of you based on something so minor as your choice of sports team to follow.

Here's another perfect anology, My mate supports some american football team in the NFL, now there is a league, but you could barely call it a league, should he be called into question here?
The leagues here are so small it's impossible to not be drawn in by the spectacle of the game played at the highest level.

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 12:47AM

mayordenis wrote: »

You do not understand the word "right" in that context, I'm sorry you don't.

Explain it to me. Considered I used it first, I should know what I mean by it.

When I use the word "right" I mean "morally, ethically". I don't mean they are free to.

This debate is getting worse, I think its near over.

Sad Irish losers supporting foreign teams

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