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We shouldn't teach our kids that hunting is ok?

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  • #32
    lucky-colm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 798 ✭✭✭lucky-colm


    minidazzler wrote: »
    You shoot a Deer and Freeze it, it will feed your family through the Winter. All that for a €1 bullet and a Hunting licence.

    But you feel it's OK to pay €5.50 for 1 Kg of Premium beef that was Raised for the sole purpose of Slaughter?


    €5.50 for a kg of premium beef where is this wonderous shop you speak off


  • #33
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    lucky-colm wrote: »
    what is ""poll""????

    Pollo is Italian for Chicken.:D


  • #34
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Hunting one deer can feed a family for an entire winter for less than €20.

    yet You think it's OK to eat animals that were raised to be slaughtered and cost up to €5.50 per Kg?


  • #35
    Orla K
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Orla K


    monellia

    Before I say anything I have to ask
    What type of hunting are you talking about, there are some for just sport, some for food, traditional reasons and others for farming reasons (as well as that they can be intertwined)

    And you say impressionable age but what age or age range are you talking about?


  • #36
    lucky-colm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 798 ✭✭✭lucky-colm


    ahhh

    isee the "poll" on top now

    iam going to stay hittin that yes button until my son racks up 10 kills


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  • #37
    Twilightning
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,902 ✭✭✭Twilightning


    Steve.Pseudonym wrote: »
    Can I just ask you Twilightning, do you eat meat? If you do, why do you think you're any better than someone who hunts?

    First of all, don't make assumptions about my opinion straight off the bat here. I didn't say I was above or below anybody, so we'll put that one to bed.

    I do myself eat meat and know full well where the meat comes from. However, I don't approve of hunting and I'm well aware that animals are kept in captivity and slaughtered for the meat most of us eat today. Only thing is I'm not really in any position right now to go out and humanely kill any animal of my choosing tonight and cook it up for a meal. I live in a terraced house in a Dublin suburb, not next to a forest down in Cork.

    I don't really think hunting is any better than how we mass-produce meat these days. At least one plus side of the mass-production of meat is that it's actually being put to use, whereas hunting animals for sport is just killing animals needlessly. Just call it the lesser of two evils I suppose. Looking for another hobby is easier than looking for another source of food.


  • #38
    diddley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭diddley


    minidazzler wrote: »
    Hunting one deer can feed a family for an entire winter for less than €20.

    yet You think it's OK to eat animals that were raised to be slaughtered and cost up to €5.50 per Kg?

    I think the OP is referring to hunting as a sport, not as hunting for food.


  • #39
    lucky-colm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 798 ✭✭✭lucky-colm


    galwayrush wrote: »
    Pollo is Italian for Chicken.:D



    mmmmmmmmm chicken:rolleyes:


  • #40
    DonJose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭DonJose


    No need to hunt when the fields are full of free lambs :D


  • #41
    abouttobebanned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭abouttobebanned


    I thought this was pretty sickening to be honest.


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  • #42
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    monellia wrote: »
    I didn't ask for this to be made into a poll.

    I added the poll to see if we could get a bit of statistics going.
    No harm.


  • #43
    lucky-colm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 798 ✭✭✭lucky-colm


    the yes campaign is ahead
    looks like the populus is for killing small fury animals with our kids


  • #44
    Steve.Pseudonym
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Steve.Pseudonym


    Twilightning wrote: »
    First of all, don't make assumptions about my opinion straight off the bat here. I didn't say I was above or below anybody, so we'll put that one to bed.

    You said don't hunt unless you have to, technically none of us (in the western world) have to, we can buy meat instead. However some do hunt and eat this meat, what you said implied that you thought this was wrong. Hence my question.


  • #45
    ScumLord
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    Caliden wrote: »
    Went hunting for foxes with my uncle before. Have to say I enjoyed myself and can see why people make it a hobby. Would like to go deer hunting some time with a rifle where skill actually plays a part in shooting something
    Dont see anything wrong with it to be honest
    I went fox hunting years ago. I was to young to do any actual shooting though. There was about 30 in the group and we went all over the local parish. After a whole day shooting I think the group got a grand total of two foxes. Nobody thought the day was a disappointment though, everyone was mainly there for the day out.


  • #46
    tfitzgerald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    i used to hunt but gave i up years ago but it was my choice people should be left to hunt if they want to


  • #47
    g5fd6ow0hseima
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    monellia wrote: »
    People have evolved beyond the need to hunt animals, since time and memorial.
    We've gained the means of industrial slaughter. We're still eating them. Its nature.


  • #48
    Twilightning
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,902 ✭✭✭Twilightning


    Steve.Pseudonym wrote: »
    You said don't hunt unless you have to, technically none of us (in the western world) have to, we can buy meat instead. However some do hunt and eat this meat, what you said implied that you thought this was wrong. Hence my question.

    As far as I know, you and everyone else posting in this topic are living in the Western World. What I meant when I said "Don't hunt unless you have to" is "Don't hunt unless doing so is essential to your survival." It's not essential to anybody's survival in this country, or anywhere else where supermarkets and currency are the norm.


  • #49
    lucky-colm
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    abouttobebanned wrote: »
    I thought this was pretty sickening to be honest.

    yeah only for the rifle was abit weak seemed to me those boys had a good day


  • #50
    siobhan.murphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭siobhan.murphy


    nothing beats the thrill of fox hunting.love it:D:D


  • #51
    Nodin
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    monellia wrote: »
    A (.....)audience.

    Yes, in these modern days when our food comes from the meat tree....


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  • #52
    diddley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭diddley


    Antonio Ripe Snail wrote: »
    We've gained the means of industrial slaughter. We're still eating them. Its nature.

    Is industrial slaughter not "kinder" in that the animals have to be stunned before killing? Rather than say hunting for sport where the animal is just left to die a slow painful death?
    I know there have been abuses made known in the past (KFC being one of them) but generally?


  • #53
    Steve.Pseudonym
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Steve.Pseudonym


    Twilightning wrote: »
    As far as I know, you and everyone else posting in this topic are living in the Western World. What I meant when I said "Don't hunt unless you have to" is "Don't hunt unless doing so is essential to your survival." It's not essential to anybody's survival in this country, or anywhere else where supermarkets and currency are the norm.

    So what's your objection to a hunter who goes out, shoots an animal, and then brings it home and eats it? Your statement is still telling that person not to hunt, why is that?


  • #54
    5318008!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 228 ✭✭5318008!


    Steve.Pseudonym wrote: »
    I don't think the animal would agree with you there.

    What is the difference? That a cow should die instead of a deer? Or maybe a pig and some chickens? Hunters eat their deer so I don't see a difference.

    There's a moral difference. If you eat the dear then i don't have as much of a problem with it (although i'd prefer if the animal i'm eating has lived out an unnaturally long and trouble free life before it is humanely killed).

    What about the "sportsmen" who wiped out the last flock of passenger pigeons (250000 in one day!)?

    Clearly not all people who hunt eat the animal.


  • #55
    robinph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    diddley wrote: »
    Is industrial slaughter not "kinder" in that the animals have to be stunned before killing? Rather than say hunting for sport where the animal is just left to die a slow painful death?
    I know there have been abuses made known in the past (KFC being one of them) but generally?

    I'd have thought that a bullet in the head is pretty stunning.

    The industrial slaughter is just the same killing made to seem a bit nicer so that we feel a touch less squeamish about it when we pick up the shrink wrapped packet of dead animal from Tescos.


  • #56
    Nodin
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    diddley wrote: »
    Rather than say hunting for sport where the animal is just left to die a slow painful death?

    It isn't. Quite the opposite.


  • #57
    robinph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    5318008! wrote: »
    ... although i'd prefer if the animal i'm eating has lived out an unnaturally long and trouble free life before it is humanely killed).
    Don't think you'd like the meat all that much from such an animal.
    5318008! wrote: »
    What about the "sportsmen" who wiped out the last flock of passenger pigeons (250000 in one day!)?
    I'm with you on that one.


  • #58
    OpenYourEyes
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    everyone was mainly there for the day out.

    This is the kind of hunting im against! Doing it as something to kill time before dinner on a sunday!

    If a farmer does a certain amount of hunting to limit the number of pests on his farm, cant really argue with that!

    Similarly, a certain amount of deer in each herd being killed each year helps to control numbers

    But people doing it "for the day out" really have to broaden their horizons and find something better to do!


  • #59
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    monellia wrote: »
    People have evolved beyond the need to hunt animals, since time and memorial.

    No. You really think the fact you have an ipod and a bidet that you are so much more evolved than people that need to hunt to live, albeit not here in Ireland there are countless people in different nations in African and all over the world that need to hunt.
    Dont kid yourself - you are no more evolved than them, Simply because we live in the west doesnt make us any more "evolved" than these people.

    You are using social standards as a rule to scale evolution

    You fail


  • #60
    Steve.Pseudonym
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Steve.Pseudonym


    5318008! wrote: »
    There's a moral difference. If you eat the dear then i don't have as much of a problem with it (although i'd prefer if the animal i'm eating has lived out an unnaturally long and trouble free life before it is humanely killed).

    No I don't think there's a moral difference, in fact I'd say it's exactly the same. I agree with you about eating what you kill though, I don't support people killing animals and leaving the body to rot, that's just a waste. You may wish to read up a little about factory farms.
    What about the "sportsmen" who wiped out the last flock of passenger pigeons (250000 in one day!)?

    Clearly not all people who hunt eat the animal.

    I agree with you, endangered species should be protected, and there are irresponsible people out there, but that doesn't make hunting in and of itself wrong.


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  • #61
    chopperbyrne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,143 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    I happily eat meat and dislike hunting, but does the OP think slaughterhouses are okay?


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