Piratebay owners get a year.

AARRRGH · 17-04-2009 12:23PM

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Google don't have systems in place to make it easier for people to do though.

You're wrong, sorry.

Google's software 'spiders' torrent websites and adds the results to their database.

Anyone can then user the Google search box to find these torrents.

Google could choose to block the spidering of torrent sites, but they don't.

So legally, they are also enabling copyright infringement.

ECOLOGICAL · 17-04-2009 12:26PM

the music industry and movie industry will never win take down piratebay another technology will replace it the people will always have upperhand because theres more of us !!

ECOLOGICAL · 17-04-2009 12:28PM

oh yeah and internet belongs to ordinary people not ISPs or any other organisation we finance it and pay for it every day of the week a cultural revolution is here !

AARRRGH · 17-04-2009 12:32PM

What's hllarious is that this story is the main headline on the BBC. Now everyone in the world will know about thepiratebay and the fact that you can download movies and music easily, for free.

It's a big win for file sharing, and a big lose for the film/music industry.

cherryghost · 17-04-2009 12:35PM

AARRRGH you're ticking all those boxes for me. You got it all right

If TPB fellas go down, so should google. Despite the sites name, theres a lot of legal software available to find through it despite what people think.

ShooterSF · 17-04-2009 12:35PM

AARRRGH wrote: »

What's hllarious is that this story is the main headline on the BBC. Now everyone in the world will know about thepiratebay and the fact that you can download movies and music easily, for free.

It's a big win for file sharing, and a big lose for the film/music industry.

And as I said a paypal account to fight the big movie/music industry by raising the $3m to "keep" TPB alive would make a killing too :pac:

My name is URL · 17-04-2009 12:37PM

AARRRGH wrote: »

You're wrong, sorry.

Google's software 'spiders' torrent websites and adds the results to their database.

Anyone can then user the Google search box to find these torrents.

Google could choose to block the spidering of torrent sites, but they don't.

So legally, they are also enabling copyright infringement.

Google was set up to help people navigate the web.

TPB was set up to help people break the law.

There's no point in me arguing with you because you and most other people already have your sights set on some kind of utopian ideal, where lawlessness is accepted.

I've been a long time supporter of open distribution, I was involved with tv-links.co.uk and arrested and questioned over it when it was shut down. No charges were brought against us because we could prove that we weren't profiting from it and because we only acted as a search engine (of sorts) for videos already online.

But I've always drawn the line at what TPB do.

Look at Mininova, no such drama with them. TPB are out to fulfill the nihilistic views of it's owners and the people that fund it.

ShooterSF · 17-04-2009 12:40PM

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Google was set up to help people navigate the web.

TPB was set up to help people break the law.

There's no point in me arguing with you because you and most other people already have your sights set on some kind of utopian ideal, where lawlessness is accepted.

I've been a long time supporter of open distribution, I was involved with tv-links.co.uk and arrested and questioned over it when it was shut down. No charges were brought against us because we could prove that we weren't profiting from it and because we only acted as a search engine (of sorts) for videos already online.

But I've always drawn the line at what TPB do.

Look at Mininova, no such drama with them. TPB are out to fulfill the nihilistic views of it's owners and the people that fund it.

Good point. I guess it depends whether breaking the law or flaunting breaking the law was the issue here. Google is guilty of one, TPB both.

BaconZombie · 17-04-2009 12:42PM

They were not able to provide ANY evidence that TPB tracker were linked to the copyrighted items THEY {agents working for the record/movie company} UPLOADED.

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Seriously now...

How can you say that Google do the same thing?
That would be true if TPB was only a search engine, but it's not, it's a tracker.

The C&D letter have no legal standing in Swedish law and even if they did most of the letter were invalided due to numerics reason:

>The latter were not coming from the actual rights holders but an external company that the owner had not authorised.

>The item was allowed to use the copyright item under "trademark fair use"

>The item had nothing to do with the copyright item on the C&D except a vague likeness in name {or part of the name of the works}

Also Google do index and publish C&D letters via there simple search interface.

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Look at how blatantly they reacted to DMCA notices etc, blindly refusing to remove works and posting the C&D letters on the site.

It's nothing like Google

3DataModem · 17-04-2009 12:42PM

Dartz wrote: »

CD's are bloody convenient, compared to MP3 downloads

Are you insane?

CD's can be lost, damaged, wear out.

>MP3's can be lost only.

A CD player can only play one at a time.

>You can cue up a LOT of music on an MP3 player.

You cannot easily duplicate a CD across different media playing devices.

>You can put MP3's online, on a phone, on a keyring, on an ipod, on a CD, on a DVD, on a hard disk, etc.

CD's take up space, have weight, etc. Want to bring a CD on hols? That's 70 mins of music per coaster.

> Want to bring your entire MP3 collection on hols? Bring a USB key with 1000's of songs. Or upload them to a website and just access them when you get there. Or put a few dozen LP's on your phone.

The days of physical media as a commercial vehicle for the average consumer are numbered. "Things" need to be made, shipped, labelled, carried.

BaconZombie · 17-04-2009 12:46PM

Yes they do:

http://www.google.com/search?q=filetype%3Atorrent

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Google don't have systems in place to make it easier for people to do though.

It's like saying that a shop that specifically sells crowbars for breaking into houses is the same as an everyday hardware shop.

It's all to do with intent

My name is URL · 17-04-2009 12:48PM

BOFH_139 wrote: »

Yes they do:

http://www.google.com/search?q=filetype%3Atorrent

No they don't

Torrents are not illegal, the content of them may be.

97i9y3941 · 17-04-2009 12:50PM

basically tpb was used as a scapegoat,and yes ye are right,europe gave into corporate america,they had no choice tho,they know public opinion would had turned against the record companies if they had to sue teenagers for downloading music,so they go after the supplier instead,although music sales are already down.

ntlbell · 17-04-2009 12:56PM

*fires up napster*

markok84 · 17-04-2009 12:59PM

Terry wrote: »

backed up by the inimitable King Kong defense.

Maybe they should've used the Chewbacca defence....

ntlbell · 17-04-2009 12:59PM

Upward Spiral wrote: »

No they don't

Torrents are not illegal, the content of them may be.

The only thing TPB stores is torrents tho?

Doubs · 17-04-2009 01:01PM

As long as TPB survives I couldn't care less. And I suspect its the same for the majority of the people who use the site, if we're being honest.

In all fairness the 4 guys are clowns who thought they were above the law, this should being them down to earth with a bump.

97i9y3941 · 17-04-2009 01:20PM

AARRRGH wrote: »

What's hllarious is that this story is the main headline on the BBC. Now everyone in the world will know about thepiratebay and the fact that you can download movies and music easily, for free.

not everyone,other day i had to show someone how to use torrents,yes theres people still out there like that :rolleyes:

ntlbell · 17-04-2009 01:29PM

Fred83 wrote: »

not everyone,other day i had to show someone how to use torrents,yes theres people still out there like that :rolleyes:

It's not embarrassing for someone not to know how to "use" torrents.

considering we still have a high rate of people in this country that can't even read or write:rolleyes::rolleyes:

AARRRGH · 17-04-2009 01:34PM

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Google was set up to help people navigate the web.

TPB was set up to help people break the law.

You could argue that TPB was set up to help people find torrents (their software doesn't disciminate between legal and 'illegal' torrents).

You could also argue that a goal of Google is to help people find everything on the web, including illegal content. After all, their software doesn't disciminate between legal and 'illegal' content.

Upward Spiral wrote: »

There's no point in me arguing with you because you and most other people already have your sights set on some kind of utopian ideal, where lawlessness is accepted.

No, I hate the concept of utopia because it can't exist, but I like TPB, mainly because the MIAA and RIAA are a bunch of *****.

97i9y3941 · 17-04-2009 01:36PM

it applys to everything unfortantly,which is a complete pain in the arse,i.e people would had to turn to illegal downloads because the album/game/book/movie is out of print,or it was was shown on tv and then released on dvd and usually thanks to some anal copyright rubbish they cant include something on dvd

jimmycrackcorm · 17-04-2009 01:44PM

AARRRGH wrote: »

You could argue that TPB was set up to help people find torrents (their software doesn't disciminate between legal and 'illegal' torrents).

You could also argue that a goal of Google is to help people find everything on the web, including illegal content. After all, their software doesn't disciminate between legal and 'illegal' content.

It's difficult not to argue this distinction - everything you can find on TPB can be found just as easily on Google. The legal aspect is not about the intention of either site, but about what they provide.

If I create a website such as www.heresAListOfBankstoRob.com with web page listing bank addresses - does my intent prove anything illegal?

Overheal · 17-04-2009 01:51PM

You could argue google helps it along I suppose. In that way google would have to exclude everything from its search engine that might relate to piracy, but yes, they make it very easy. Long after TPB is gone, Peer to Peer will continue.

I don't think you can make the same argument for ISPs. That would be like suing the Department of Transportation because a Bank Robber used the Interstate to evade capture.

Either way, In the United States the ISPs have been trying to make measures to curtail it. Comcast just got out of a huge FCC battle in 2008 because they were targeting the torrent and VoIP packets of their customers (yes, the packets are identifiable, apparently). This went against a few laws written into the FCC and Comcast was forced to drop the throttling. At the moment the ISPs are going on an agenda of introducing download caps, which we have so far, been very vocal against, managing to panic Time Warner Cable into pulling out some of their plans to introduce it until they can rethink their strategy. Tools.

Fred83 wrote: »

it applys to everything unfortantly,which is a complete pain in the arse,i.e people would had to turn to illegal downloads because the album/game/book/movie is out of print,or it was was shown on tv and then released on dvd and usually thanks to some anal copyright rubbish they cant include something on dvd

Some sites will host Out of Print material directly, or host tv and movies until they become available in the Region.

One particular site hosts roms for anything that is 2 generations behind or older, on the grounds that since these are completely out of print, it is at no harm to the publishers. At their direct download rates I've been able to snatch some fantastic classics, like Final Fantasy 7, in under 5 minutes.

Why don't you offer games for newer consoles, like the playstation 3, or even playstation 2?
This site is geared towards retro gaming, which includes games for consoles that are at least 2 generations behind the current one. Downloading games that are still in production takes away from the revenue of the creators, while retro games have generally used up all their revenue generating potential. Unlike their PC counterparts, console games generally get very little attention after the console they are released for goes out of fashion, or, as is case with majority of consoles, out of business.

At the current moment, there is no unified means to legally get retro games. Until such means does not exist, we will continue providing retro games for gaming fans. No, I am not going to pay $20 for a 20 year old game. No, I am not going to order from the web where shipping costs are twice the price of the game. Unlike music, games do get old, and when you pay for a game, you expect it to be of a certain standard.

Most people also do not own the consoles anymore. These are not PC games that you can somehow manage to run on new computers. If you don't have a console, you can't play the game, simple as that. Most people don't have a means to create ROMs either, so to make retro-gaming legal, I would have to buy the game, let it gather dust on a bookshelf, and then still come back to a website like this to download the ROM image and an emulator, and play it on my PC. This is not reasonable.

If there are still producers who support a game listed on this site, please contact me to have it removed.

ntlbell · 17-04-2009 01:54PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's difficult not to argue this distinction - everything you can find on TPB can be found just as easily on Google. The legal aspect is not about the intention of either site, but about what they provide.

If I create a website such as www.heresAListOfBankstoRob.com with web page listing bank addresses - does my intent prove anything illegal?

But you can't find any software/music/movies on TPB.

you find torrents, which are not ilegal

so mininova should be let off because they have a clever domain name?

The lads at TPB either committed a crime or they didn't

Choosing a clever domain name is not a crime AFAIK.

They host no software/movies/music/etc

I'm sure we could find a way to relate the word google to some form of intent if we were really creative..;)

97i9y3941 · 17-04-2009 01:57PM

scapegoats really,send out warnings to other sites,i think i move to china,the corporate companies are afraid of that country

BaconZombie · 17-04-2009 02:00PM

FYP

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's difficult not to argue this distinction - everything you can find on TPB can be found just as easily on Google. The legal aspect is not about the intention of either site, but about what they provide.

If I create a website such as http://www.goldenpages.ie/search.ds?newSearch=true&what=Banks&where=&x=16&y=34 with web page listing bank addresses - does my intent prove anything illegal?

Capt'n Midnight · 17-04-2009 02:01PM

They seem to be taking it well

2009epicwinanyhow

So, the dice courts judgement is here. It was lol to read and hear, crazy verdict.

But as in all good movies, the heroes lose in the beginning but have an epic victory in the end anyhow. That's the only thing hollywood ever taught us.

Overheal · 17-04-2009 02:02PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's difficult not to argue this distinction - everything you can find on TPB can be found just as easily on Google. The legal aspect is not about the intention of either site, but about what they provide.

If I create a website such as www.heresAListOfBankstoRob.com with web page listing bank addresses - does my intent prove anything illegal?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intention_(criminal)

S.I.R · 17-04-2009 02:03PM

great how they made up a new charge for people who made codes and a site which re-directs you to p2p transfer, which isnt their fault.... if its illigal, its your fault, not theirs...

Nice...

i didnt see a token black guy though

Wossack · 17-04-2009 02:14PM

There'll be plenty after their pirate booty where they're going

Piratebay owners get a year.

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