eye for an eye?

Dark_lord_ire · 11-04-2009 12:14AM #1

with all the shootings in limerick of innocent people i'm wondering should we have ever got rid of the death penalty. Looking at the way things are criminals have no respect or fear of the law, the gardai seem to be able to take them on but its the courts and legislation that seems to be ineffective. should someone be jailed for life or pay with their life for murder????

Ardscoil Ris · 11-04-2009 12:14AM

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Dark_lord_ire · 11-04-2009 12:20AM

Ardscoil Ris wrote: »

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

lol not really just leaves 2 people semi blind

g5fd6ow0hseima · 11-04-2009 12:23AM

Ardscoil Ris wrote: »

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

That do-gooder attitude is the reason for the flourishing criminality in the 'democratic' world

Sharpshooter · 11-04-2009 12:24AM

A tooth for a tooth takes the dentist out of the R word.

xOxSinéadxOx · 11-04-2009 12:27AM

2 wrongs don't make a right

jester77 · 11-04-2009 12:28AM

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

2 wrongs don't make a right

but 2 negatives make a positive!

Professey Chin · 11-04-2009 12:29AM

jester77 wrote: »

but 2 negatives make a positive!

Gah!!!Maths has defeated conscience.Science has defeated religion!!!!!!WHATS NEXT!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

deadhead13 · 11-04-2009 12:30AM

Judical systems are man-made ,therefore mistakes are inevitable. Innocent people have been and would be excuted. There is no proof that the death penalty deters murders.

As for the execution itself - someone has to press the button or pull the lever. Why isn't that person in turn executed, as they have committed murder for money?

Dark_lord_ire · 11-04-2009 12:31AM

jester77 wrote: »

but 2 negatives make a positive!

oh good answer

i'm glad its not all do-gooders use this site.

Dark_lord_ire · 11-04-2009 12:32AM

deadhead13 wrote: »

Judical systems are man-made ,therefore mistakes are inevitable. Innocent people have been and would be excuted. There is no proof that the death penalty deters murders.

As for the execution itself - someone has to press the button or pull the lever. Why isn't that person in turn executed, as they have committed murder for money?

actually that person has a very important job. Think about it in limerick if a couple of criminals were hung or whatever in the long run it would save lives

luckylucky · 11-04-2009 12:33AM

Ardscoil Ris wrote: »

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

2 wrongs don't make a right

2 cliches don't amount to anything either.

Ah while we're at ehre's another one though...It's better to have 1 in the hand than 2 in the bush.

Sharpshooter · 11-04-2009 12:35AM

luckylucky wrote: »

2 cliches don't amount to anything either.

Ah while we're at ehre's another one though...It's better to have 1 in the hand than 2 in the bush.

Think about that for a minuet,seriously.

11-04-2009 12:43AM

Yes. There should also be severe beatings for other not-so-serious offences. I said it before and i'll say it again. Ireland has got to have the least effective law enforcement in the world. There is absolutely no fear of the Gardai.

A few 'thugs' in the neighbourhood i live in, often ring the guards themselves, so they can stone the car and 'get a chase' off them. Ridiculous stuff. Even if they're caught nothing is done about it. If they were to get a decent beating every time they were caught, im sure they'd be doing it a lot less.

Chances are, unless you're one of the many scumbags who do the above kinda thing, then it wouldn't affect you at all. I see no real reason for such a thing to come into effect.

thelordofcheese · 11-04-2009 12:43AM

Dark_lord_ire wrote: »

i'm wondering should we have ever got rid of the death penalty.

Yes we should have and we should never bring it back.

Now that i'm done being sane, let this thread descend into a clusterfuck of revenge fantasies and people ignoring that the death penality isn't a deterrant.

Oh, and thanks to the first person who uses the following phrases
"Do Gooders" <Dark_lord_ire was quick>
"Bleeding hearts"
"Leftist"
"Politically correct"
"Liberal" <square_igloo wins, flawless victory>

because hopefully if we get this kind of bullshit out of the way quickly, someone might post something that isn't retarded.

KnifeWRENCH · 11-04-2009 01:00AM

Well, as a liberal, bleeding heart, leftist, politically correct do-gooder I am against the death penalty. I do think that a life sentence should mean life, and in the case of murder there should never be any chance for parole or suspended time.

jester77 wrote: »

but 2 negatives make a positive!

Not if you add them.

g5fd6ow0hseima · 11-04-2009 01:04AM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Yes we should have and we should never bring it back.

Now that i'm done being sane, let this thread descend into a clusterfuck of revenge fantasies and people ignoring that the death penality isn't a deterrant.

Oh, and thanks to the first person who uses the following phrases
"Liberal"
"Bleeding hearts"
"Do Gooders" <Dark_lord_ire was quick>
"Leftist"
"Politically correct"

because hopefully if we get this kind of bullshit out of the way quickly, someone might post something that isn't retarded.

So whats your solution Captain Planet?

Karl Hungus · 11-04-2009 01:07AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkpZ1tPCSJ4

thelordofcheese · 11-04-2009 01:08AM

square_igloo wrote: »

Well, as a liberal, bleeding heart, leftist, politically correct do-gooder I am against the death penalty.

You magnificent bastard.

Zane Jealous Shredder wrote: »

So whats your solution Captain Planet?

To what exactly? Peoples insistance that revenge is the same as justice?
Well, I'd recommend a good dictionary, to begin with.

11-04-2009 01:10AM

Zane Jealous Shredder wrote: »

That do-gooder attitude is the reason for the flourishing criminality in the 'democratic' world

Actually the democratic world has a very low crime rate.

Dark_lord_ire · 11-04-2009 01:14AM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Yes we should have and we should never bring it back.

Now that i'm done being sane, let this thread descend into a clusterfuck of revenge fantasies and people ignoring that the death penality isn't a deterrant.

Oh, and thanks to the first person who uses the following phrases
"Do Gooders" <Dark_lord_ire was quick>
"Bleeding hearts"
"Leftist"
"Politically correct"
"Liberal" <square_igloo wins, flawless victory>

because hopefully if we get this kind of bullshit out of the way quickly, someone might post something that isn't retarded.

Read all post think you will find i was not the first

and your your opinion out ranks everyone elses i take it

g5fd6ow0hseima · 11-04-2009 01:18AM

994 wrote: »

Actually the democratic world has a very low crime rate.

Depends on what type of crime. Streets are safer, but are our savings, l - o - l

g5fd6ow0hseima · 11-04-2009 01:21AM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

To what exactly? Peoples insistance that revenge is the same as justice?
Well, I'd recommend a good dictionary, to begin with.

Bit of a typing error in there or something?

We're animals. In this country, there is no such thing as justice. Life imprisonment (and not 20 years shortened due to good behaviour) are a must. Fine, some might say the conditions in certain prisons are due punishment (or justice) to those who commit crimes. But is it acceptable for someone to commit murder than walk the streets in less than a decade? What do you deem justice?

Dudess · 11-04-2009 01:30AM

Absolutely no way. I have zero interest in being a "do-gooder", "bleeding heart" etc (just in anticipation of that sh1te being thrown at me :rolleyes:) - a state having the power to end a life is just chilling stuff and I can't believe people think it's ok, particularly when miscarriages of justice have been known to occur.
They should be locked up until the day they die - if I was a "do-gooder" I'd be against that.

thelordofcheese · 11-04-2009 01:33AM

Zane Jealous Shredder wrote: »

Bit of a typing error in there or something?

No, anyone who advocates the death penality is looking for revenge, not justice.

In this country, there is no such thing as justice.

However there is plenty of room for rampant hysteria.

But is it acceptable for someone to commit murder than walk the streets in less than a decade?

Well that would depend on the case in question, wouldn't it.

Frankly, if you're arguing for longer sentances where deserved, fair enough. There is merit there.

However, If you're arguing for the death penality because the logical progression from allegations of lax sentancing is to go straight to state sanctioned murder.... well that's just nonsense.

g5fd6ow0hseima · 11-04-2009 01:37AM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

No, anyone who advocates the death penality is looking for revenge, not justice.

However there is plenty of room for rampant hysteria.

Well that would depend on the case in question, wouldn't it.

Frankly, if you're arguing for longer sentances where deserved, fair enough. There is merit there.

However, If you're arguing for the death penality because the logical progression from allegations of lax sentancing is to go straight to state sanctioned murder.... well that's just nonsense.

There will always be cases where it will be an outcry for the state to fund the imprisonment of certain criminals, and it would be met with public approval for their execution, serial killers I would be talking about. Thankfully, Ireland had endured little of their kind recently.

As I said, id favour draconian sentencing. Life = rotting in jail. Perhaps we could afford Mr. Cowen some similar mechanism as H.M.P.

Woger · 11-04-2009 01:45AM

Sure, we can be just like those lovely places like Iran and Saudi Arabia.

g5fd6ow0hseima · 11-04-2009 02:10AM

Woger wrote: »

Sure, we can be just like those lovely places like Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Women cant drive in Saudi Arabia. hmm...

xOxSinéadxOx · 11-04-2009 02:12AM

jester77 wrote: »

but 2 negatives make a positive!

only in multiplication

Manic Moran · 11-04-2009 02:20AM

I'm for it in theory, and voted as such, but given that the Irish judicial system can't seem to hand out decent prison sentences, what makes anyone think that they'd ever get a death sentence right?

Besides, people would probably be falling over themselves to make sure that the appeals process and what not is even more humane than it is in the US (Can't have the US being nicer than Ireland!) and since it costs millions of dollars and an average of 15 years per case in the US, Ireland would go bankrupt.

Then again, if 'life' is now 10 years, then 'death' would be a more reasonable '20 years'...

NTM

Overheal · 11-04-2009 03:03AM

So its cheaper to let someone take up a cell for 50 years than to just kill them?

Thats depressing.

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