UPC win dodgy box battle!

Koloman · 06-04-2009 8:07pm #1

It seems UPC have managed to cut off a lot of the people who use these illegal devices. About time!

It's all to do with Nagravision 3, which to date is unhackable.

Matt Cooper had an item about it on his show today. Click below, it's about 20 minutes into the show on Monday 6th April.

http://www.todayfm.com/Shows/Weekdays/Matt-Cooper/listen.aspx

06-04-2009 8:16pm

10 Years overdue.

I would think that if UPC hadn't taken over that disaster that was NTL it never would of happened.

Ranicand · 06-04-2009 8:56pm

I never got into that rubbish.

I knew that UPC would stop it at some point.

I am glad to see they have.:)

Koloman · 06-04-2009 9:05pm

It was infuriating when these guys would tell all within earshot of everyone about the "great scam" they were pulling off in getting all these premium channels for nothing. They usually had a big grin on their faces as they told everyone. Well I expect e bay to be a bit busy over the coming weeks with these useless items up for sale!

KeRbDoG · 06-04-2009 9:05pm

cisk wrote: »

10 Years overdue.

It hasn't been going on for 10 years, so how is it 10 years overdue?

06-04-2009 9:14pm

Dosnt matter, its been hacked over 10 years, so thats why i say its overdue.

True its only mainstream in the last few years.

Sky always kept up to date encryption and never faced this problem, alot of damage has been done.

Ranicand · 06-04-2009 9:14pm

Koloman wrote: »

It was infuriating when these guys would tell all within earshot of everyone about the "great scam" they were pulling off in getting all these premium channels for nothing. They usually had a big grin on their faces as they told everyone. Well I expect e bay to be a bit busy over the coming weeks with these useless items up for sale!

We have only changed to Nagra 2 the UPC boxes with the blue EPG need a new card also then it's Nagra 3 time.

The game is over.

I know the mods don't like Nagravision been talked about but since Nagra 3 is a secure system I am not discussing how to hack pay tv I have discussing how people can no longer hack it.

Here is Nagravisions official web site http://www.nagravision.com/

Ranicand · 06-04-2009 9:16pm

seanybiker wrote: »

mine is still grand.

That is because step one is a change from Nagra 1 to Nagra 2.

This has knocked out most boxes.

Nagra 3 will knock them all out.

Here is a site where you can continue your viewing www.upc.ie

06-04-2009 9:21pm

Not really, they have been simlcrypting N1 & N2 & N3 for a whille now.

All new cards are nag 3, which is secure.

The UPC DVRs have been running N2 since last year, so they have switched of N1 on the premium sports, movies ect.

so now N2 & N3 are left, they cant switch of N2 (unsecure) till the DVRs have N3 cards.

When the do they will switch of N2, leaving a Secure N3 only.

Which is doomsday for non UPC box.

Koloman · 06-04-2009 9:24pm

Ranicand wrote: »

We have only changed to Nagra 2 the UPC boxes with the blue EPG need a new card also then it's Nagra 3 time.

The game is over.

I know the mods don't like Nagravision been talked about but since Nagra 3 is a secure system I am not discussing how to hack pay tv I have discussing how people can no longer hack it.

Here is Nagravisions official web site http://www.nagravision.com/

Thanks for the correction.

Ranicand · 06-04-2009 9:26pm

cisk wrote: »

Not really, they have been simlcrypting N1 & N2 & N3 for a whille now.

All new cards are nag 3, which is secure.

The UPC DVRs have been running N2 since last year, so they have switched of N1 on the premium sports, movies ect.

so now N2 & N3 are left, they cant switch of N2 (unsecure) till the DVRs have N3 cards.

When the do they will switch of N2, leaving a Secure N3 only.

Which is doomsday for non UPC box.

So it would be cheaper at this point just to pay the Sub then look for a Nagra2 dodgy box.

UPC have one the war just a little bit of a mop up left.

ynotdu · 06-04-2009 9:27pm

Koloman wrote: »

It seems UPC have managed to cut off a lot of the people who use these illegal devices. About time!

Matt Cooper had an item about it on his show today. Click below, it is about 20 minutes into the show on Monday 6th April.

http://www.todayfm.com/Shows/Weekdays/Matt-Cooper/listen.aspx

Thanks for the link I did listen to it

Yes it was inevitable especiouly since sky had warned U P C they might withdraw their channels if something was not done about securing the signal.

The pity is when Murdoch started this whole revolution so much now that was free is now subscription only. it was not forseen that the least able to pay would be the big losers:(

pensioners,ill etc stuck at home 24/7,the ones most in need of good entertainment basicly told tough ,hard luck,We can make millions without you:(

Far be it from me to stop the march of history,still it is a shame,survivol of the fittest&the winners take it all:(

Tusky · 06-04-2009 9:28pm

Koloman wrote: »

It was infuriating when these guys would tell all within earshot of everyone about the "great scam" they were pulling off in getting all these premium channels for nothing. They usually had a big grin on their faces as they told everyone. Well I expect e bay to be a bit busy over the coming weeks with these useless items up for sale!

The cost of the dodgy box is the same as subscribing to the channels for three months. Some people have had their boxes for years...so somehow dont think they will be feeling too hard done by.

Ranicand · 06-04-2009 9:28pm

Koloman wrote: »

Thanks for the correction.

Thanks but it does not matter anyway dodgy boxes are a useless purchase now and I think the message is sinking in.

Ranicand · 06-04-2009 9:30pm

Tusky wrote: »

The cost of the dodgy box is the same as subscribing to the channels for three months. Some people have had their boxes for years...so somehow dont think they will be feeling too hard done by.

I am surprised it went on for so long.

Downloading free stuff off the net is still an option.:D

KeRbDoG · 06-04-2009 9:35pm

cisk wrote: »

Sky always kept up to date encryption and never faced this problem, alot of damage has been done.

True, the best thing they did was move to an encryption system that didn't have any separate '100% working' CAM interfaces released and they invested in changing cards over the years.
NTL didn't wanna spend the money, UPC have but will they gain any more customers with this? I can see most people just moving to Sky or FTA Satellite (buying subs from other EU countries for football matches)

Ranicand · 06-04-2009 9:39pm

kerbdog wrote: »

True, the best thing they did was move to an encryption system that didn't have any separate '100% working' CAM interfaces released and they invested in changing cards over the years.
NTL didn't wanna spend the money, UPC have but will they gain any more customers with this? I can see most people just moving to Sky or FTA Satellite (buying subs from other EU countries for football matches)

Well people would not pay the sub if they could get it for free.

People who have been stopped from watching for free may not subscribe but in the long term I think some will.

Give it a year or two of Nagra 3 and people who want Sports may decide going with UPC is the easy option rather then getting a dish installed that requires a phone connection for the cheap box.

CiaranC · 06-04-2009 9:39pm

Koloman wrote: »

It was infuriating when these guys would tell all within earshot of everyone about the "great scam" they were pulling off in getting all these premium channels for nothing. They usually had a big grin on their faces as they told everyone.

Out of interest, why would you care if someone was using a box to display a television picture in their house?

byte · 06-04-2009 9:41pm

General word of warning:

Please don't post stating that you have a working "dodgybox" here please.

It's in your best interests!

Ranicand · 06-04-2009 9:42pm

CiaranC wrote: »

Out of interest, why would you care if someone was using a box to display a television picture in their house?

Because people like us are paying for the service.

The service was never going to improve or grow with people ripping it off.

Sky was thinking about pulling their channels off the cable system.

UPC provide fast broadband and in my area the Eircom line is rubbish so I would be very sad if UPC went bust.

Ranicand · 06-04-2009 9:44pm

byte wrote: »

General word of warning:

Please don't post stating that you have a working "dodgybox" here please.

It's in your best interests!

Good advice all message boards store IP numbers and at the request of Police this must be given.

Your ISP can then identify people from that number.

KeRbDoG · 06-04-2009 9:45pm

Ranicand wrote: »

Well people would not pay the sub if they could get it for free.

People who have been stopped from watching for free may not subscribe but in the long term I think some will.

Give it a year or two of Nagra 3 and people who want Sports may decide going with UPC is the easy option rather then getting a dish installed that requires a phone connection for the cheap box.

Phone line isn't 100% needed for Sky afaik and defo not needed for a non-sky box which you might be able to use other EU countries subs (non-sky, which you would buy) for football. The same subs that Sky go after pubs for using

watty · 06-04-2009 9:48pm

Cable was started to supply rotten quality BBC & ITV and reduce the aircraft hazards.

All the Main UK channels are now free in great quality on satellite.

If people didn't take UPC/Sky/Setanta Sport subs and spent the money supporting their local teams the sport would soon be back free on BBC/ITV /RTE as it would be of no value then to PayTV operators.

KeRbDoG · 06-04-2009 9:49pm

watty wrote: »

Cable was started to supply rotten quality BBC & ITV and reduce the aircraft hazards.

All the Main UK channels are now free in great quality on satellite.

If people didn't take UPC/Sky/Setanta Sport subs and spent the money supporting their local teams the sport would soon be back free on BBC/ITV /RTE as it would be of no value then to PayTV operators.

Well said

Koloman · 06-04-2009 9:49pm

Ranicand wrote: »

Because people like us are paying for the service.

The service was never going to improve or grow with people ripping it off.

Sky was thinking about pulling their channels off the cable system.

UPC provide fast broadband and in my area the Eircom line is rubbish so I would be very sad if UPC went bust.

+1

byte · 06-04-2009 9:51pm

Ranicand wrote: »

Good advice all message boards store IP numbers and at the request of Police this must be given.

Your ISP can then identify people from that number.

Exactly!

su_dios · 06-04-2009 9:53pm

Ranicand wrote: »

Good advice all message boards store IP numbers and at the request of Police this must be given.

Your ISP can then identify people from that number.

I highly doubt the Gardai would care in the slightest! God some people in this thread really seem to view this as a big victory and something to celebrate. It was a terrible service and as long as the tv license was paid I don't see a problem with it.

However I would never have gone near ntl digital. Sky+ ftw!!

Ranicand · 06-04-2009 9:57pm

su_dios wrote: »

I highly doubt the Gardai would care in the slightest! God some people in this thread really seem to view this as a big victory and something to celebrate. It was a terrible service and as long as the tv license was paid I don't see a problem with it.

However I would never have gone near ntl digital. Sky+ ftw!!

The bit rate on the channels needs to be improved.

It is possible they would have spend some money doing this instead of the Nagra 3 switch which I am sure was not cheap.

06-04-2009 10:04pm

Ntl digital would'nt lace Sky's boots.

06-04-2009 10:10pm

The only reason I have UPC's TV service is because I can't get Sky - no line of sight where I live. I had every intention of only getting UPC's broadband and getting Sky+ but it wasn't to be. Still, if it weren't for UPC I'd only have the Irish channels.

watty wrote: »

Cable was started to supply rotten quality BBC & ITV and reduce the aircraft hazards.

All the Main UK channels are now free in great quality on satellite.

The first part is certainly true, the amount of aerials in Dublin for 405 VHF and 625 UHF was insane. However I don't remember Cablelink's service being rotten quality in the 90s, some of the channels weren't the best but the majority were perfectly fine, especially after the cable was replaced in Ballyfermot in 1994/95. The only dodgy ones I remember were the Band I channels, at the time they were Super Channel, Eurosport and Channel 4 (and also a Cryptovision encrypted CNN which was never viewable). Limerick's analogue cable had me very unimpressed since the only channels in NICAM are the Irish terrestrials.

Koloman · 06-04-2009 10:10pm

A lot of panicky people on the various forums tonight!

Ranicand · 06-04-2009 10:13pm

Koloman wrote: »

A lot of panicky people on these forums tonight!

I found the other forums where they discuss such things they are cracking up over there.:D

ntlbell · 06-04-2009 10:15pm

I found a forum where people get extremely excited for the most irrelevant reasons

god bless forums?

06-04-2009 10:18pm

I'd be suprised if people were panicking, them boxes are on the go for years !

I think NTL/UPC digital will panic when I'd imagine people will move to Sky in preference to their shoddy service

Koloman · 06-04-2009 10:19pm

ntlbell wrote: »

I found a forum where people get extremely excited for the most irrelevant reasons

god bless forums?

How can stealing a service be irrelevant?

Ranicand · 06-04-2009 10:23pm

Koloman wrote: »

How can stealing a service be irrelevant?

I think that poster means TV is irrelevant.

Maybe dodgy box owners could find some new hobbies.

Walking / Hiking / Running
Knitting
Painting:D

06-04-2009 10:24pm

Koloman wrote: »

How can stealing a service be irrelevant?

how can giving a **** what other people do be relevent?

How about recording cd's? Or recording from the tv? Or photocopying from books?

There will always be stealing of copyrights etc but I wouldnt care what other people do tbh

the_syco · 06-04-2009 10:25pm

LOL. I'd say the dodgy boxes will be out soon enough. It was cracked before, it'll be cracked again.

06-04-2009 10:27pm

the_syco wrote: »

LOL. I'd say the dodgy boxes will be out soon enough. It was cracked before, it'll be cracked again.

Id imagine so, there's too much money to be made from it

ntlbell · 06-04-2009 10:28pm

Koloman wrote: »

How can stealing a service be irrelevant?

I was under the impression they have to pay 25e a month to UPC magic box or no box no?

I just find someone getting excited over it a bit odd.

Unless you work for UPC or have some form of vested interest in it.

ntlbell · 06-04-2009 10:29pm

Ranicand wrote: »

I think that poster means TV is irrelevant.

Maybe dodgy box owners could find some new hobbies.

Walking / Hiking / Running
Knitting
Painting:D

I think someone who's nearly wetting themselves over UPC "winning the war" would need a few hobbies no?

byte · 06-04-2009 10:34pm

This thread is going nowhere, that I can see.

Nagra 3 hasn't been hacked in the long time it has been in existance.

Thread closed for now.

UPC win dodgy box battle!

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