Belfast on Terror Alert...

#32 31-03-2009 02:36AM

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Well the troubles in the past have made me want to get the hell out of NI. I genuinely mean it that the recent events have really affected me. I originally moved to England in 2002 (although that didnt work out - entirely unconnected reasons) but it was great to see a place where I wasn't judged and was just treated as another person and I hope that south of the border wouldn't be like that either.

I just don't want things to go back to the way they were before. People like to have pride in where they come from and how could you have that when you see your mother having her handbag searched going into a shopping centre and every news bulletin being an endless tale of death, violence and other ****e from thugs hiding behind a cause.

Don't get me wrong, the civil rights marches etc were entirely justified. Catholics were getting ****ed over and yes, there was corruption in the UDR and RUC and Special Branch. People I know would deny this but I personally feel lonely in my beliefs. Dismissed as a "dirty Prod" south of the border yet north of the border feeling no alliance with the murderous ways of Loyalists who condemn all Catholics as scum and legitimate targets and Nationalists/Republicans who regard all Loyalists/Unionists as scum and legitimate targets.

It all REALLY REALLY f*cks me off to an extent that those of you all living south of the border possibly don't realise. You get up and go to work in Dublin, let's say, and Ireland is Ireland. There are social problems but that is not one of them. People get up and go to work in Birmingham and Britain is Britain likewise. There is the dichotomy here. I just hope that recent events don't derail the overall process.

I know it sounds corny but if I met someone from say Wexford for the sake of argument in a bar on holidays that they wouldn't make assumptions about me and vice versa for the person from Lurgan meeting the Wexford person. I know I take everyone as I find them. I just hope I am the trickle before the flood.

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#33 31-03-2009 10:11AM

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I think anyone retarded enough to judge you on the fact that you're a Protestant from the North isn't worth meeting or talking to anyway.

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#34 31-03-2009 10:23AM

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the_dark_side wrote: »

The media has a hell of alot to answer for, especially Sky news around the time of the Shankill bomb, the product of which was the Greysteele masacre in Derry. If the loyalists decide to flex their muscles amidst this 'show' of whatever, by the nationalists today, it could turn briefly ugly

Is that the Shankill bomb of 93 where 9 innocent Protestants were killed in a fish shop? See thats the kind of thing thats gonna get a retaliation irregardless of the media coverage.

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#35 31-03-2009 10:46AM

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Biggins wrote: »

They obvioulsy saw Panorama tonight on BBC1.
It did our country no favours and only publicised the scumbags up north more giving them a voice more so than they should have or deserve.
This is just a reaction and further organised bravado.

And did you ever consider that maybe that was the whole point of that programme?

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#36 31-03-2009 10:48AM

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latchyco wrote: »

I have being around long enough to remember the troubles, parts 1 2 and 3

Does anybody else feel that over sensationalism by the media actually encourages these muppets ?

Just throw a blanket over any news coverage and forget it

( if only it were that simple I know)

The media are doing their job. Look at young Paul who writes in the Sunday World. You would think the place was the wild west, if you believed the trash he writes.

Fear, the governments most useful weapon.

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#37 31-03-2009 03:12PM

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I live in Belfast, and I don't get why some people down south could ever see it as 'another country' it's so ignorant!

Everyone up here has dual nationality, and are entitled to either an irish or a british passport. Many people here are more irish than people down south as they had to fight for it.

Anyway Ive never understood the whole 'if it doesn't directly affect me then f*ck it'. Im origninally from down south but I like moving around to help people. I am planning to go to Africa next year to help there aswell.

As I say, it is all down to the lazy f**kers who say 'if its not on my street I dont care' that allows people in this world to live in extreme poverty.

The mood in Belfast is actually fine today, the talk is generally more about the bad traffic delays yesterday than anything else. People are still standing together so we're not in trouble yet.

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#38 31-03-2009 03:17PM

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Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Is that the Shankill bomb of 93 where 9 innocent Protestants were killed in a fish shop? See thats the kind of thing thats gonna get a retaliation irregardless of the media coverage.

Yes I agree, and Im sorry, I used a bad example. The coverage of the Drumcree riots were not helpful, as is the continuing coverage of the 11th night bonfires every year where masked men appear shooting into the air.
I could go on and on and on...

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#39 31-03-2009 03:17PM

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Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

How many balaclavas she have?

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#40 31-03-2009 03:33PM

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Jigsaw wrote: »

I can see how many people living in the 26 counties would possibly think what they don't care about the trouble in Belfast, and if that is the case then grand. I can't change those peoples' minds. I have posted before on similar subjects on Boards. I have made no secret of the fact that I am a Protestant born in Northern Ireland yet hold Nationalist beliefs. It is in times like this that I have the most difficulties. I have friends who are 100% Unionist and also friends that are 100% Nationalist. That is the truth. I personally would like a United Ireland but would never condone lives being lost over the head of it.

Unionism is as legitimate a political point of view as Nationalism but it is all about how one goes about achieving those ends. The VAST VAST majority of people in Northern Ireland don't support violence towards anyone and abhor it - I am in that category. I grew up in Antrim town, literally down the road from where the 2 soldiers were killed. I actually heard the shots as I was in my parents' house in Antrim although I rent my own place in Belfast. Those were just two young fellas posted there and they were doing a job. Now there are two families grieving and I think unless you are in that position do you see how quickly the political rhetoric washes away. Imagine one of your close family was shot dead in the street like a dying dog. That is how their family feels and the pain must be unimaginable.

Changes in this island must be gradual. Like I said, one day I'd love a United Ireland as I feel Irish. I grew up in an atmosphere that gave me a good education although it was alongside many people that were proper Rangers shirt wearing Orange loving Loyalists. However, I have my own brain to form my own views and I feel that it is right to have a United Ireland, but that must come about through years of negotiation and getting to know the other side, otherwise it would end in utter disaster.

Having said that, my father used to work in building trade and did so in both London and Dublin (originally from Donegal - Glencolumbkille). He said that he suffered plenty prejudice in Dublin despite having grown up in Donegal where, as a young Protestant man he played Gaelic sports, spoke Irish to an extent and played a full part in the community. However, he says that in the 70's in Dublin when people found out he wasn't Catholic some people gave him a hard time. I have recently been thinking about moving to Dublin in the future, a city I love lots, but have been concerned that if people know I'm a Protestant from the North would I be shunned. Tbh it's all a load of bollocks and I wish people learned to look beyond labels.

Jigsaw my friend,do not mind these idiots they are the Sunday world reading lowest common dominator,there are a significant amount of us South of the border who are republican and hold real republican beliefs,which includes uniting Irish protestants and catholics to see beyond religion and stand against the enemy ala Britian,whose policy is still present here,divide and conquer

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#41 31-03-2009 04:52PM

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Biggins wrote: »

They obviously saw Panorama tonight on BBC1.
It did our country no favours and only publicised the scumbags up north more giving them a voice more so than they should have or deserve.
This is just a reaction and further organised bravado.

LampPost wrote: »

And did you ever consider that maybe that was the whole point of that programme?

I did indeed get that point.
Sadly, those interviewed (including kids who clearly hand a clue what the heck the real whole history background is/was) will only see it as "O' look we are on TV - what we do gets publicity".

The only thing these scumbags should get is life in a hard cold prison (no cushy parole either), not a staging point for giving them a voice where just one is unwelcome to the rest of the more peaceful population.

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#42 31-03-2009 05:28PM

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Upward Spiral wrote: »

Suspected IRA dissidents have hijacked and burnt cars in Catholic parts of Northern Ireland in a coordinated effort to block roads and spark bomb threats, police have said.

Officers said they had received a wave of reports of vehicles being seized by masked gunmen in several parts of Belfast.
full story

Yes! breaking news ,apparently dissent members of the "Irish Retailers Association " launched cross-boarder lighting raids in an effort to drive southern shoppers back accross the border into the republic.A spokesman for the retailers said all options are on the table in an effort to protect
their livelyhoods.
Serveral squads, of arran sweater clad, suicide bombers have been dispatched from the killkenny design centre in an effort to protect celtic souvenir sales.Other specialist units from the retailers association and disguised as food items,furniture and various toiletries have been apprehended by british security forces.

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#43 31-03-2009 07:43PM

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midlandsmissus wrote: »

I live in Belfast, and I don't get why some people down south could ever see it as 'another country' it's so ignorant!

Personally I see it as another country because it is legally another country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries

Note NI is down there with the UK and not with the ROI

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#44 31-03-2009 07:45PM

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What I think is hilarious about this whole situation is these people are murdering innocent people and causing civil unrest for the right to be ruled by Brian Cowen. They're welcome to the cnut tbh

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#45 31-03-2009 08:07PM

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Sam Vimes wrote: »

What I think is hilarious about this whole situation is these people are murdering innocent people and causing civil unrest for the right to be ruled by Brian Cowen. They're welcome to the cnut tbh

While I agree with on the Cowen point, I think they see the current Irish political system as an non-entity as well.
They don't recognise it either!
(Someone will quite rightly correct me on this if I'm wrong)

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#46 31-03-2009 08:55PM

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latchyco wrote: »

The sad silly lives of many will come to life once the worlds media focus's on NI again .

The real sadness is the good people who will try to prvent any flare up happenning .They have to live amoung it all the time .

I've been using another forum for many years now.
It's a small private one that has mostly Americans, but also Swedes, Canuks, Brits etc.
They were all shocked at the recent events.
I filled them in as much as I could, but I know that I can never know the full story because I live in the republic and we have very little experience of what happens up there.

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I live in Belfast, and I don't get why some people down south could ever see it as 'another country' it's so ignorant!

Everyone up here has dual nationality, and are entitled to either an irish or a british passport. Many people here are more irish than people down south as they had to fight for it.

Anyway Ive never understood the whole 'if it doesn't directly affect me then f*ck it'. Im origninally from down south but I like moving around to help people. I am planning to go to Africa next year to help there aswell.

As I say, it is all down to the lazy f**kers who say 'if its not on my street I dont care' that allows people in this world to live in extreme poverty.

The mood in Belfast is actually fine today, the talk is generally more about the bad traffic delays yesterday than anything else. People are still standing together so we're not in trouble yet.

LMFAO.
Yeah. Nobody in the South fought for independence.

Biggins wrote: »

I did indeed get that point.
Sadly, those interviewed (including kids who clearly hand a clue what the heck the real whole history background is/was) will only see it as "O' look we are on TV - what we do gets publicity".

The only thing these scumbags should get is life in a hard cold prison (no cushy parole either), not a staging point for giving them a voice where just one is unwelcome to the rest of the more peaceful population.

Pay no mind to him. He's a Casey212 re-reg and is now banned. Again. That's like 50 times or something.

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#47 31-03-2009 09:03PM

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midlandsmissus wrote: »

I live in Belfast, and I don't get why some people down south could ever see it as 'another country' it's so ignorant!

Everyone up here has dual nationality, and are entitled to either an irish or a british passport. Many people here are more irish than people down south as they had to fight for it.

Anyway Ive never understood the whole 'if it doesn't directly affect me then f*ck it'. Im origninally from down south but I like moving around to help people. I am planning to go to Africa next year to help there aswell.

As I say, it is all down to the lazy f**kers who say 'if its not on my street I dont care' that allows people in this world to live in extreme poverty.

The mood in Belfast is actually fine today, the talk is generally more about the bad traffic delays yesterday than anything else. People are still standing together so we're not in trouble yet.

No... Just no.

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#48 31-03-2009 09:20PM

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Poccington wrote: »

No... Just no.

Just to add to that;
Now this is purely my opinion and nothing else.
The British couldn't be seen to lose face so soon after WW1. The art of war had taken a huge turn and things were far more volatile and dangerous at the time.

I believe that hanging onto the North was a face saving move on their part and solved most of the Irish problem for them at the time.

Again, just my opinion. I'm not a historian.

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