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Polish Racist

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  • #62
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,589 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Rsaeire wrote: »
    I would never make a direct comparison between Apartheid in South Africa and racism in Ireland, I was pointing out three countries that I have knowledge of that have, in different ways, produced varying degrees of racism more visible than other countries.

    I don't understand how you come to that viewpoint. Could you name us an example of another white dominated country which Ireland has a higher degree of racism than in your opinion?


  • #63
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    I think that it would be a good idea top settle this once and for all. They could launch the Nobel Prize for Racism and we could see who the clear winner is on an annual basis.


  • #64
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    I think that it would be a good idea top settle this once and for all. They could launch the Nobel Prize for Racism and we could see who the clear winner is on an annual basis.

    Israel or Saudi Arabia would walk it i reckon.


  • #65
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,589 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Degsy wrote: »
    Israel or Saudi Arabia would walk it i reckon.

    Japan could be a runner.


  • #66
    Rsaeire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Rsaeire


    Dudess wrote: »
    Like what in Ireland? I'm not having a go at you, just interested.

    I think there is a tendency among some Irish people to be apologetic about/highly critical of this country just because of a handful of racists and just because the Irish emigrated.

    Mixed race children being spat at in the street by older children, lone teenagers being attacked by groups due to their skin colour, teachers making statements in class with racial connotations, adults making disparaging and racist remarks to children, men and women in the street being called racists remarks by absolute strangers; those are just the milder points.

    I am not saying this doesn’t happen in other countries, I am merely showing evidence that within Ireland, racism is rife. I am fully aware that racism is not simply whites against every other race, but I’m sure you will agree, that within Ireland, it is the most prevalent kind of racism.


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  • #67
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Rsaeire wrote: »
    Mixed race children being spat at in the street by older children, lone teenagers being attacked by groups due to their skin colour, teachers making statements in class with racial connotations, adults making disparaging and racist remarks to children, men and women in the street being called racists remarks by absolute strangers; those are just the milder points.

    So the serious stuff involves necktie parties and lynchings,KKK rallies and religious leaders calling for the murder of all non-white people?
    Get a grip..you're talking about another country altogether.


  • #68
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Degsy wrote: »
    What you mean like an internet link?
    If i cant provide an internet link does that mean i'm a liar and so are all the other people who objected to it?

    So there was more than you?

    Lets see, that would mean that a group of white people noticed a "no whites" sign in a shop in rural Ireland and no one, at all, mentioned it to the media, nor did they get a whiff of it.....

    As the existence of these fellow objectors is as open to doubt as your whole story, Degsy boy, they can't be liars. They'd have to exist first.

    Now, wheres your source?


  • #69
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Nodin wrote: »
    Now, wheres your source?

    It was very well known at the time.
    Its a shop on the left of the river as you head into drogheda from dublin.
    The sign said,quite simply "No whites"..the sign was written in black marker on a piece of a4 paper(i didnt get time to measure it).
    My source?
    The human Mark 1 eyeball...in other words..i saw the sign myself.
    The media DID get a "whiff of it" because people were justifiably annoyed but they didnt act becaue either a) the Drogheda Independent is a wanky.left-wing newspaper that wont pull its head out of itys arse long enough to see what was happening or b)They decided not to run the story fearing a backlash against the racists running the shop and the african community in general.
    Why is it that you choose not to beleive me?
    Do you think that blacks are incapable of racism against whites?
    Or are you pushing some pathetic agenda gainst me?


  • #70
    arse..biscuits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭arse..biscuits


    Genghiz Cohen wrote: »
    DEY DERPPP DE DURRRRRRRRRRR!!

    There it is. No thread on immigration/racism etc without that hilarious input


  • #71
    Hazys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    Dudess wrote: »
    You could say that about loads of different types of news story - why this one in particular? Why not? Why are you definitively stating there is no fact in it? Word of mouth is not fact, there is nothing else behind this story, you can't get convicted of a crime on word of mouth as its his word against hers Often word of mouth is considered adequate - the shopkeeper would have been given right to reply (and declining to comment would tend to imply guilt). I didnt see any part of the article where it said the Shopkeeper refused to make a statement Journalists/editors have to adhere to certain ethical standards, as well as always considering defamation - they're not just going to throw out any old unsubstantiated yarn... U can't get sued for defamation if you correctly quote somebody else Well ok, some red tops do that, as the amount of copies sold will more than cover the legal costs, but the Telegraph doesn't operate like that.

    Why the presumption that this isn't the truth though?

    I never said the story was untrue, all i was saying was people should be more aware that just because a newspaper prints it, it doesnt mean its true. That is all i have to say...i must go now to a better place.


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  • #72
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Two things: "Why not?" is not an answer. ;)

    You CAN get sued for publishing/broadcasting defamatory comments made by another party.

    E.g. http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/migration/former-adviser-monica-leech-to-take-rte-to-high-court-for-libel-668097.html

    It doesn't seem fair, especially for a live radio show, but it's a reality.


  • #73
    Hazys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    Dudess wrote: »
    Two things: "Why not?" is not an answer. ;)

    You CAN get sued for publishing/broadcasting defamatory comments made by another party.

    E.g. http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/migration/former-adviser-monica-leech-to-take-rte-to-high-court-for-libel-668097.html

    It doesn't seem fair, especially for a live radio show, but it's a reality.

    I stand corrected.

    "Why not?" is an answer. I dont have an extra agenda and i dont know what you're hinting at.


  • #74
    Awful Scut Mk2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Awful Scut Mk2


    Hazys wrote: »
    I never said the story was untrue, all i was saying was people should be more aware that just because a newspaper prints it, it doesnt mean its true. That is all i have to say...i must go now to a better place.


    You strongly implied it was untrue and questioned its veracity. On what basis?

    The Daily Telegraph, despite its right wing leanings, is a respected daily. Moreover, as someone else pointed out, reporting such a story if they were not certain of its truthfulness would result in a 'name your price' libel suit.

    That would suggest that they had done their homework on it. But obviously you know different.


  • #75
    Westwood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Westwood


    the shop keeper is probably robbed by thieving little bitches daily and has had enough. the pakis have had to put up with it for years . they know their customers and perhaps she was just in the shop at the wrong time, he made no racist remarks..its his shop he can tell you to get the **** out if he likes

    theirs signs over in poland that say ..no irish...thats another thread


  • #76
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Westwood wrote: »
    theirs signs over in poland that say ..no irish
    Do they? Or are you referring to the one sign rumoured in the papers here a few months ago to be on a building site over there?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055452002


  • #77
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Rsaeire wrote: »
    Yes you can. Just look all around Ireland, U.S.A., South Africa, to name a few countries, and you’ll see racism at its worst.


    Rsaeire wrote: »
    I am not saying they are the most racist, simply more racist than others.


    Its one or the other, you'll find racism at its worse in Ireland or not?.

    Sure there are racists here, as there are everywhere in the world. But if your really suggesting you'll find the worse kind here you'd wanna waken the hell up.


  • #78
    Hazys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    Awful Scut Mk2 wrote: »
    You strongly implied it was untrue and questioned its veracity. On what basis?

    Quote me on where I strongly implied that the story was false or I am sueing you for defamation*!!!


    *Only joking, i know that can be taken seriously here


  • #79
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,918 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rsaeire wrote: »
    Mixed race children being spat at in the street by older children, lone teenagers being attacked by groups due to their skin colour, teachers making statements in class with racial connotations, adults making disparaging and racist remarks to children, men and women in the street being called racists remarks by absolute strangers; those are just the milder points.

    I am not saying this doesn’t happen in other countries, I am merely showing evidence that within Ireland, racism is rife. I am fully aware that racism is not simply whites against every other race, but I’m sure you will agree, that within Ireland, it is the most prevalent kind of racism.

    Not to say you're a liar or anything for having supposedly seen this, but tbh this just sounds like the work of knackers. It's not racism per-se, rather scum just picking on the target who's least likely to be able to defend themselves.
    Scum will always be racist. They see people coming over here and making something of themselves while the poor scum are "held back by society", "never had a fair chance" etc.


  • #80
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Degsy wrote: »
    It was (.....) me?

    So you've no source. Therefore it's anecdotal, and more than likely untrue.

    Why do you feel the need to create racial tensions in this country?


  • #81
    Awful Scut Mk2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Awful Scut Mk2


    Hazys wrote: »
    Quote me on where I strongly implied that the story was false or I am sueing you for defamation*!!!


    *Only joking, i know that can be taken seriously here


    With pleasure. I will highlight in bold the standout implications. Another key section has been underlined.

    How can a newspaper publish that story? What BS, its only her word against the store's. She could just be lying through her teeth. Great jounanlism.

    Obviously I don't know, but there is no fact in this story, she could be lying, it could have been closing time at the shop and it was a missunderstanding, etc.

    The newspaper has no reason to publish a story like this, its reckless journalism, which promotes racism (we already have 2 pages on how racist people can be) to sell newspapers and could also cripple a local shop when they could have done nothing wrong.

    People are easily lead by the media and the media have a responsibility to tell the truth. I know this is just a small piece in a crappy newspaper but its occurs all the time on a larger scale.

    As you admit yourself, you know absolutely nothing about this story nor the individuals involved, yet are quick off the mark with inferences of racism and newspaper 'recklessness'.

    Why's that?


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  • #82
    Rsaeire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Rsaeire


    Mairt wrote: »
    Its one or the other, you'll find racism at its worse in Ireland or not?.

    Sure there are racists here, as there are everywhere in the world. But if your really suggesting you'll find the worse kind here you'd wanna waken the hell up.

    I'll admit that by saying "worst" I was more so indicating South Africa and the U.S.A., however, Ireland is by no means one of the least racist countries.
    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    Not to say you're a liar or anything for having supposedly seen this, but tbh this just sounds like the work of knackers. It's not racism per-se, rather scum just picking on the target who's least likely to be able to defend themselves.
    Scum will always be racist. They see people coming over here and making something of themselves while the poor scum are "held back by society", "never had a fair chance" etc.
    Honestly, it's not all knackers; as you might assume. I tend to find the more subtle forms of racism sometimes as severe as if someone physically harassed someone over the colour of their skin.


  • #83
    Sgt Hartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    Degsy wrote: »
    It was very well known at the time.
    Its a shop on the left of the river as you head into drogheda from dublin.
    The sign said,quite simply "No whites"..the sign was written in black marker on a piece of a4 paper(i didnt get time to measure it).
    My source?
    The human Mark 1 eyeball...in other words..i saw the sign myself.
    The media DID get a "whiff of it" because people were justifiably annoyed but they didnt act becaue either a) the Drogheda Independent is a wanky.left-wing newspaper that wont pull its head out of itys arse long enough to see what was happening or b)They decided not to run the story fearing a backlash against the racists running the shop and the african community in general.
    Why is it that you choose not to beleive me?
    Do you think that blacks are incapable of racism against whites?
    Or are you pushing some pathetic agenda gainst me?

    Good response Degsy. Nodin, do you honestly believe that ANY of the lefty rags in this country would have the balls to report this story?

    ”If I offended you, you needed it!!” - Corey Taylor



  • #84
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    They would have been accused of inciting racism - it's even happened on this thread.

    Thing is though, the racism this would incite could be far more damaging than the racism incited by reporting a white Irishman here refusing a black man entry to his shop. The Irishman would get criticised naturally and lose some business, but the Polish man in this English case is likely to have his shop boycotted and some serious abuse because he's not from that country in the first place - perhaps assault/vandalism?

    And then other Poles will suffer because of him.

    Not saying the story shouldn't be reported but it's fair to say it would have a worse impact than a "reverse" story. Unfortunately.


  • #85
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sgt Hartman wrote: »
    Nodin, do you honestly believe that ANY of the lefty rags in this country would have the balls to report this story?

    Yes, the Sindo...well know for its 'leftyness'....And of course the rest of them are in it as well, meeting only under a full moon.


  • #86
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Only small bit of detail there. Maybe the girl went into the shop wearing PJs (wasn't really coming from college) and the shopkeeper was disgusted by this sight. He probably asked her was she english so he'd know which language to tell her to GTFO with. :pac:

    On a seperate note, I've received a frosty welcome in that bodybuilding shop in Moore st Mall. Lad there didn't seem happy serving a lad from my job and speaking english to us. I told the lad in work to go to shop on Capel st run by an Irish and American lad. More friendly shop and they give discounts on bulk buy!!

    Tbh, i find polish women more out going and friendly while polish guys seem more reserved.


  • #87
    FruitLover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭FruitLover


    Rsaeire wrote: »
    Yes you can. Just look all around Ireland, U.S.A., South Africa, to name a few countries, and you’ll see racism at its worst.

    USA? That sounds familiar...

    Hmm, isn't that the predominantly white country with a black president? :confused:


  • #88
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Doesn't mean there isn't still appalling racism experienced by ordinary non whites in America.


  • #89
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Just when you thought it couldn't get more comlicated .

    From the METRO 19/3/09

    No service at post office if you dont spaek English

    A SRI LANKAN postmaster is refusing to serve customers unless they speak English . Deva Kumarasiri said he could not understand what people wanted unless they spoke English .;I've always thought I'm a British person .' said the father of two , who came to Britain from SRI LANKA 18 years ago . We have a situation now were British culture is going down ,so i decided it's time somebody had to put it right . My feeling is that when you move to different country you have to respect the flag and the language but that has gone. ' And the 40 year old said he had the support of the community in Sneinton Nottingham .' Everything s written in English ,the law is written in English ,' he said . People have to speak the language oterwise they cannot give a proper service .It's making people understnd we have to learn a common langauge .



    Now the Irony of this is an English person saying the same thing might be classed as Not being PC / racist.


  • #90
    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Very strange story if its true. Business is business.

    Maybe the guy just got told by an English bank they were pulling in his overdraft or something.

    I've been in the Islamic supermarket on Mary St, various ethnic stores on Moore St, Phone unlocked on Parnell street :D - and never once experienced any racial comments/actions.


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  • #91
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    So there's a racist Pole runnning a shop in the North of England. Bit of a non story don't you think?

    The fact that this has spawned threads on various internet forums underlines the fact that this is an unusual occurance. Even the Telegraph where the original quote comes from published it in their 'Weird' category.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5016210/Teenager-refused-service-at-Polish-shop-in-East-Yorkshire-for-being-English.html


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