Homophobia

me-skywalker · 20-03-2009 11:49AM #1

Just seen the thread that was closed down because the guy was obviously homphobic. No he was way out with is choice of words and use of words but i think his basic point about homophobia in ireland can still be discussed properly...

I personally think Gay ppl should never be allowed to marry. And i think the act itself is rather sick...

Im not a conservative, or christian nut, or right winger, or anyway religious, and im only in my mid 20's and know ppl that are gay and have friends that are that way inclined.

speedboatchase · 20-03-2009 11:51AM

What act exactly? Anal sex is popular amongst sraight couples, in fact I'd argue nearly every bloke has tried to coax their missus into trying it

Also I'm Athiest but I'm allowed marry yet religion stands in the way of homosexual couples to do the same?

dr.bollocko · 20-03-2009 11:51AM

I can't see a single reason why they shouldn't have all the rights afforded to straight couples. I wouldn't think of it as unnatural either.

r3nu4l · 20-03-2009 11:53AM

So me-skywalker, I'm guessing that you think that men having anal sex with a woman is disgusting too? Is it the act itself or the fact that it's two men?

Just wondering. I think your attitudes may change with age and experience. A mate of mine was very homophobic in his early-mid twenties but towards his late 20s and having become more exposed to gay people through his girlfriend, he mellowed a lot.

I often think that homophobia is related to insecurity, not necessarily the homophobic being a repressed homosexual themselves but just insecurity.

Terry · 20-03-2009 11:54AM

me-skywalker wrote: »

Just seen the thread that was closed down because the guy was obviously homphobic. No he was way out with is choice of words and use of words but i think his basic point about homophobia in ireland can still be discussed properly...

I personally think Gay ppl should never be allowed to marry. And i think the act itself is rather sick...

Im not a conservative, or christian nut, or right winger, or anyway religious, and im only in my mid 20's and know ppl that are gay and have friends that are that way inclined.

Why do you think homosexual acts are sick?

Crucifix · 20-03-2009 11:55AM

me-skywalker wrote: »

And i think the act itself is rather sick...

Straight man finds gay sex unappealing. Shocker

me-skywalker · 20-03-2009 11:57AM

Now remembering im not a religious person... but the act of marriage is a union blessed by the church thorugh god and all that jazz, and if the church does not agree to homosexuality ppl then they rightly so should not bless gay ppl to marry. Gay marriage is a contradiction in terms.

gazzer · 20-03-2009 11:58AM

me-skywalker wrote: »

i think the act itself is rather sick...

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Why do you think it is sick? If a man and woman were doing it would you feel the same way?

Crucifix · 20-03-2009 11:59AM

me-skywalker wrote: »

Now remembering im not a religious person... but the act of marriage is a union blessed by the church thorugh god and all that jazz, and if the church does not agree to homosexuality ppl then they rightly so should not bless gay ppl to marry. Gay marriage is a contradiction in terms.

In a legal context marriage has nothing to do with religion. It's an issue of terminology

Berty · 20-03-2009 12:00PM

I dont like Panda spread so I dont eat it. Other people like it so do eat it.

I only ask those people not to wave it in my face.

me-skywalker · 20-03-2009 12:00PM

Crucifix wrote: »

Straight man finds gay sex unappealing. Shocker

it is isnt it?! cliched anti-post, try add somethign better than that.

Helix · 20-03-2009 12:00PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

I personally think Gay ppl should never be allowed to marry. And i think the act itself is rather sick...

have you got a problem with 2 women going at it?

Rebel021 · 20-03-2009 12:02PM

Marriage was around long before the church.

And gay people mostly get married in a registry office.

Cianos · 20-03-2009 12:03PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

Now remembering im not a religious person... but the act of marriage is a union blessed by the church thorugh god and all that jazz, and if the church does not agree to homosexuality ppl then they rightly so should not bless gay ppl to marry. Gay marriage is a contradiction in terms.

You seem to be a contradiction in terms.

Many people who aren't religious get married in a registry office...nothing to do with the church. Why shouldn't same sex couples have the same right?

jim o doom · 20-03-2009 12:03PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

Now remembering im not a religious person... but the act of marriage is a union blessed by the church thorugh god and all that jazz, and if the church does not agree to homosexuality ppl then they rightly so should not bless gay ppl to marry. Gay marriage is a contradiction in terms.

Wow you couldn't be FURTHER wrong if you tried - I am getting married in June.. am I doing in in a church? HELL NO. It's STATE marriage; I'm not religious, so why can't a gay person have the same LEGAL right to marriage, not in a church..?

Terry · 20-03-2009 12:03PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

Now remembering im not a religious person... but the act of marriage is a union blessed by the church thorugh god and all that jazz, and if the church does not agree to homosexuality ppl then they rightly so should not bless gay ppl to marry. Gay marriage is a contradiction in terms.

Dude. qwerty. Use it.

Terry · 20-03-2009 12:05PM

jim o doom wrote: »

Wow you couldn't be FURTHER wrong if you tried - I am getting married in June.. am I doing in in a church? HELL NO. It's STATE marriage; I'm not religious, so why can't a gay person have the same LEGAL right to marriage, not in a church..?

Does the missus not want a big church shindig that lasts a couple of hours and costs a couple of grand?

jim o doom · 20-03-2009 12:07PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

it is isnt it?! cliched anti-post, try add somethign better than that.

"Try add something better than that"? from the person uninformed about marriage in a civil ceremony and makes a blatantly homophobic comment about disliking homosexual activities. that's rich.

You do realise Gay people would be as disgusted by what you would do with a woman right? they don't choose to be gay, they just are. It's like hating someone for being a different colour - as if they chose to be a different race to spite you. pah!

Wagon · 20-03-2009 12:09PM

Gay people should be allowed to marry. They shouldn't be looked down upon for being attracted to the same sex. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it whatsoever and it's never disgusted me.

But I do have a bit of an issue when it comes to the question of bringing in children to the equation .ie. a same sex couple adopting a child. I'm not religious or homophobic but i do think that a child needs the influence of both parents. Single parents are okay in a lot of cases, but maybe having 2 parents of the same gender can hinder certain areas of development. I'm not sure. It's fairly tricky to call as all cases are different.

alexandros · 20-03-2009 12:09PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

Now remembering im not a religious person... but the act of marriage is a union blessed by the church thorugh god and all that jazz, and if the church does not agree to homosexuality ppl then they rightly so should not bless gay ppl to marry. Gay marriage is a contradiction in terms.

Is the act of PRIESTS MOLESTING PREPUBESCENT BOYS a union blessed by the church?

Take this thread and shove it up your ...

calahans · 20-03-2009 12:10PM

They should be allowed to get married - why should they avoid the misery

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me-skywalker · 20-03-2009 12:10PM

r3nu4l wrote: »

Just wondering. I think your attitudes may change with age and experience. A mate of mine was very homophobic in his early-mid twenties but towards his late 20s and having become more exposed to gay people through his girlfriend, he mellowed a lot.

exposed to gay people.. is that a pun?
ah no seriously tho, my attitude will never change! ive been 'exposed' to gay ppl for years... and ive seen the corruption and chaos that follows with them and fightin their inner demons moreso... social nature that our 'rights' and 'freedoms' allowed it to persist in the first place. Back centuries ago if gay ppl where persecuted the way jews where there wouldnt be as many as there woudl be today.

Crucifix wrote: »

In a legal context marriage has nothing to do with religion. It's an issue of terminology

well then legally they could go to england and et a civil marriage... but in terms of a 'normal' marriage (church, blessings, masses) all that is complelty void to homosexual ppl. like the way valhalla is void to me! or like i will never reach zen.

jim o doom · 20-03-2009 12:11PM

Terry wrote: »

Does the missus not want a big church shindig that lasts a couple of hours and costs a couple of grand?

Nah we're having a civil ceremony in a CASTLE! that's WAY cooler

plus a ska band and a reggae dj afterwards.. and a cake with frankenstein + frankensteins bride atop.. should be rockin

Plus it would be VERY heretical - neither of us are even remotely religious..

Dragan · 20-03-2009 12:13PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

exposed to gay people.. is that a pun?
ah no seriously tho, my attitude will never change! ive been 'exposed' to gay ppl for years... and ive seen the corruption and chaos that follows with them and fightin their inner demons moreso... social nature that our 'rights' and 'freedoms' allowed it to persist in the first place. Back centuries ago if gay ppl where persecuted the way jews where there wouldnt be as many as there woudl be today.

well then legally they could go to england and et a civil marriage... but in terms of a 'normal' marriage (church, blessings, masses) all that is complelty void to homosexual ppl. like the way valhalla is void to me! or like i will never reach zen.

This post makes no sense.

Are you implying that homosexuality is somehow passed on genetically, like race is?

Rsaeire · 20-03-2009 12:14PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

Back centuries ago if gay ppl where persecuted the way jews where there wouldnt be as many as there woudl be today.

How exactly would there be less gay people if they were "persecuted the way jews where", since gay people don't reproduce with each other i.e. same sex and all that?

jim o doom · 20-03-2009 12:15PM

Dragan wrote: »

This post makes no sense.

Are you implying that homosexuality is somehow passed on genetically, like race is?

hahaha nice - I didn't even imagine that myself! that would be preeeetty difficult

RaverRo808 · 20-03-2009 12:19PM

Personally,its in issue Im not bothered with,my view is behind closed doors,consenting adults should be allowed do what they want,its open displays of sexuality that annoy me,of any kind,and in the case of gays,unfortunately alot of them make a song and dance about being gay,and it just gives them a bad name,if you like to ride a man up the hole fine,but keep it to yourself and do it in the privacy of your own home

Hydroquinone · 20-03-2009 12:21PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

Back centuries ago if gay ppl where persecuted the way jews where there wouldnt be as many as there woudl be today.

Jewish people were persecuted in the past and there are Jewish people today
Homosexuals were persecuted in the past and there are homosexuals today.

So what - if anything - is your point?

Cianos · 20-03-2009 12:21PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

exposed to gay people.. is that a pun?
ah no seriously tho, my attitude will never change! ive been 'exposed' to gay ppl for years... and ive seen the corruption and chaos that follows with them and fightin their inner demons moreso... social nature that our 'rights' and 'freedoms' allowed it to persist in the first place. Back centuries ago if gay ppl where persecuted the way jews where there wouldnt be as many as there woudl be today.

eh what?

It may seem that there are more gay people today, simply because it is more acceptable today and so more people can be open about it. And being openly gay 200 years ago would be a lot scarier than being openly jewish or any other religion. You would be targetted by nearly everyone, not just those who don't agree with your religious opinions.

well then legally they could go to england and et a civil marriage... but in terms of a 'normal' marriage (church, blessings, masses) all that is complelty void to homosexual ppl. like the way valhalla is void to me! or like i will never reach zen.

Someone who is open enough about their sexuality to the point that they want to get married is probably going to be open minded enough not to want to be married under the catholic church anyway. You don't just do it because it's the status quo (like most Irish couples)...you're supposed to do it because you believe in the institution and what it represents.

me-skywalker · 20-03-2009 12:23PM

No im not sayin its passed on genetically and i dont belive ppl are born gay.
But les hypothetically say that centuries ago there was liek a culling of homosecual ppl ie witches style the repercussions of being gay would trickle on and on through centuries... and yes our civil liberties would all remain the same as we are all one and equal but if gay ppl want to marry then why dont they just do it online. It s wrong and you know its wrong, even the homosexual ppl that are reading this or are posting or have family or firneds and agree with it know deep down that its wrong.

Crucifix · 20-03-2009 12:24PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

well then legally they could go to england and et a civil marriage... but in terms of a 'normal' marriage (church, blessings, masses) all that is complelty void to homosexual ppl. like the way valhalla is void to me! or like i will never reach zen.

In an ideal situation I suppose the government would only issue 'civil unions' to straight or gay couples, and leave marriage to the churchs and synagogues

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