Would you attend a public demonstration protesting the actions of the real IRA?

Kintarō Hattori · 10-03-2009 12:47PM

No, I would not attend

Rb wrote: »

No - I don't particularly care what happens up there one way or another.

It's a shame that you think that rb because what happens up there affects everyone else on the island, whether you realise that or not.

I can only imagine that the people with blasé attitudes are young and don't remember all the crap that was caused both north and south of the border because of the troubles up there.

We simply cannot go back to those times.

My name is URL · 10-03-2009 12:48PM

I would consider attending, but only if there is further violence

elviscostello wrote: »

Cop on to yourself, really. I'm not sensationalizing anything. I'm asking you is that how you would react if it happened? These dirty scumbags are using your country in the names of their organisations. No matter what their 'reasoning' is, letting them continue and brushing it off as criminal activity is pure nonsense.

I didn't say you were sensationalizing anything, a protest would definitely be sensationalizing it though. How would I react to you hypothetical question? How would anyone react, of course it would be a disaster. But it's like asking how I would react to a muslim attack or an outbreak of bird-flu. It hasn't happened so it's a moot point.

And what's happened so far IS criminal activity.

Ass · 10-03-2009 12:52PM

No, protesting is unnecessary / ineffectual

I'd say to everyone that I would, but then I wouldn't because I can't be arsed. I'll re-vist the thread about the demonstration and pretend I was there though.

Kintarō Hattori · 10-03-2009 12:54PM

No, I would not attend

Ass wrote: »

I'd say to everyone that I would, but then I wouldn't because I can't be arsed. I'll re-vist the thread about the demonstration and pretend I was there though.

Living up to your username eh!

Ass · 10-03-2009 12:54PM

No, protesting is unnecessary / ineffectual

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Living up to your username eh!

Why thank you.

_feedback_ · 10-03-2009 01:00PM

Upward Spiral wrote: »

I didn't say you were sensationalizing anything, a protest would definitely be sensationalizing it though. How would I react to you hypothetical question? How would anyone react, of course it would be a disaster. But it's like asking how I would react to a muslim attack or an outbreak of bird-flu. It hasn't happened so it's a moot point.

And what's happened so far IS criminal activity.

Sorry for jumping down your throat, I'm just angry about all of this.

I worded the "how would you react?" wrongly. I meant would you still like it to be treated as criminal activity, and just brushed off, in case they get a kick out it. No matter how many they kill, they are still the same mindless scum, whether it be criminal scum, terrorist scum, or Paddy Irish scum (as it will look in the eyes of many around the world)

Of course, I hope to god no more innocent people will die.

midlandsmissus · 10-03-2009 01:09PM

No, I would not attend

youcrazyjesus! wrote: »

Stop sensationalizing it. These people release propaganda videos
of themselves training in the woods wearing blue denim jeans and
cheap waterproof jackets. They will be destroyed by the police and
many of them jailed. This is very unfortunate, the 3 killings, but they
have very limited capability.

All the paramilitary groups have released videos like this in the past? Just to show young people what they do, and get more to join. It doesn't matter if they're amateur videos, you'd be surprised what they're capable of, they're not young men, they're very hardened men. The police are the first people to be aware of this.

midlandsmissus · 10-03-2009 01:12PM

No, I would not attend

And about the protest,

I think there should definitely be a protest from all of Ireland.

N.Ireland is so small it needs help, it needs support from the rest of Ireland.

The republic could make a huge difference in this.

If there is a march in the south there would be little danger, they have bigger fish to fry.

And yet the March would show great support to people up here, it would be great for them to even see it on the telly

I'd definitely be up for a march. Next week anyone?

Biggins · 10-03-2009 01:18PM

No, I would not attend

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I'd definitely be up for a march. Next week anyone?

Someone say where ...and I'm there!

Darragh29 · 10-03-2009 01:35PM

No, I would not attend

midlandsmissus wrote: »

N.Ireland is so small it needs help, it needs support from the rest of Ireland.

A lot of people up there want no interaction with the Republic, financial or otherwise. The idea of the north needing support from down here would enrage many unionists... They would argue it is the other way around, we need their support.

PCros · 10-03-2009 02:05PM

Demonstrations of any kind would not affect the IRA......where would these protests be held?

Joke of a post to be honost. I personally believe things will never change in the North unfortunatly.

Míshásta · 10-03-2009 02:25PM

No, I would not attend

I would attend a protest march. Unfortunately those type of 'people' who carried out those murders don't give a damn about public opinion. They believe they're fighting for some mythological republic. The real Irish people, north and south, have no rights in their eyes. We're all collabarators.

I don't think we should dignify them by calling them by the innocuous term 'dissidents' - they're just traitors to the clearly expressed wishes of the overwhelming wishes of the Irish peolpe for peace.

Biggins · 10-03-2009 02:27PM

No, I would not attend

Darragh29 wrote: »

A lot of people up there want no interaction with the Republic, financial or otherwise. The idea of the north needing support from down here would enrage many unionists... They would argue it is the other way around, we need their support.

...and a lot of people do want interaction with the Republic, financial and otherwise.
Which one is more beneficial??? :rolleyes:
As for "the idea of the north needing support from down here would enrage many unionists..." - your entitled to that opinion but that don't make it true or would you care to back up that statement with evidence/testimony?

PCros wrote: »

Demonstrations of any kind would not affect the IRA......where would these protests be held?

Joke of a post to be honest. I personally believe things will never change in the North unfortunately.

Aaa, on our side of the border - Dublin - our capital. Thought that would be obvious even to those few of less I.Q - they being the killers!
Instead of just calling the post "a joke" - would you please actually post something constructive than just be insulting and possibly trolling!

The North needs us as much as we need them.
If not for economic reasons, then for advocating peaceful returns to cross-border communication and development.
There is nothing wrong with that. In a world that is smaller by the art of communication alone, the unionists, the nationalists (those with kop-on anyway), the republicans and every other section that is large or small, knows that to stand on their own nowadays is to be left isolated and stranded.
Sooner or later they/we need our new and old friends - this is not a crime. The days of wanting isolationship giving more advantages than disadvantages. is long gone and ALL know that. Well, at least the modern, progressive thinkers amid us see that.

rovert · 10-03-2009 02:29PM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

I voted no. I think the only thing we (as in the real Irish people) should protest about is the continued presence of the Union Jack on this Island.

lol nationalism

MagicMarker · 10-03-2009 02:33PM

I would consider attending, but only if there is further violence

Unless the demonstration is in my house, I'd have to say no.

PCros · 10-03-2009 02:55PM

Biggins wrote: »

Aaa, on our side of the border - Dublin - our capital. Thought that would be obvious even to those few of less I.Q - they being the killers! Instead of just calling the post "a joke" - would you please actually post something constructive than just be insulting and possibly trolling!

Haha Dublin? Hmm do you not remember what happened two years ago when orange men wanted to have a little march?

Can you imagine an anti-IRA protest in Dublin....it would just attact the same crowd that caused all that damage back then. So if you would like to attend that sort of march with the naive notion that you would not be attacked your fairly stupid, go ahead and enjoy.

So please do not reply to posts saying that I have a low I.Q before you even think about what you are talking about.

My name is URL · 10-03-2009 02:59PM

I would consider attending, but only if there is further violence

PCros wrote: »

Haha Dublin? Hmm do you not remember what happened two years ago when orange men wanted to have a little march?

Can you imagine an anti-IRA protest in Dublin....it would just attact the same crowd that caused all that damage back then. So if you would like to attend that sort of march with the naive notion that you would not be attacked your fairly stupid, go ahead and enjoy.

So please do not reply to posts saying that I have a low I.Q before you even think about what you are talking about.

Yeah I don't think Dublin would be the best place for it, even if it is the obvious choice. A border town would be better, Dundalk or Monaghan.

Biggins · 10-03-2009 03:01PM

No, I would not attend

PCros wrote: »

Haha Dublin? Hmm do you not remember what happened two years ago when orange men wanted to have a little march?

Can you imagine an anti-IRA protest in Dublin....it would just attact the same crowd that caused all that damage back then. So if you would like to attend that sort of march with the naive notion that you would not be attacked your fairly stupid, go ahead and enjoy.

So please do not reply to posts saying that I have a low I.Q before you even think about what you are talking about.

...but part of the point some of us are making is being missed - its not an anti-IRA protest - despite possible future propaganda attempts - it would be a protest against VIOLENCE - not in our name please!.
We want no violence in our name. That simple - no spin, no attachments!
Frankly, I think the whole of Dublin alone would support that, if not the country, on the day.
Stop trying to spin a protest as something else.
The utter revulsion shown already by BOTH SIDES to the killings makes it clear the unionists/protestants should have no problem with us standing with them and saying "Violence - NO MORE!"

O' and go re-check the IQ statement, I clarified it.

PCros · 10-03-2009 03:10PM

Biggins wrote: »

...but part of the point some of us are making is being missed - its not an anti-IRA protest - despite possible future propaganda attempts - it would be a protest against VIOLENCE - not in our name please!.
We want no violence in our name. That simple - no spin, no attachments!
Frankly, I think the whole of Dublin alone would support that, if not the country, on the day.
Stop trying to spin a protest as something else.

O' and go re-check the IQ statement, I clarified it.

Fair enough I agree what you are trying to get across but I would love that to happen but it simply would not work, too many people would ruin it and spin it as anti IRA protesting and take offence to that.

I'm not spinning anything, I'm just giving an opinion which I think is very true.

Biggins · 10-03-2009 03:20PM

No, I would not attend

PCros wrote: »

Fair enough I agree what you are trying to get across but I would love that to happen but it simply would not work, too many people would ruin it and spin it as anti IRA protesting and take offence to that.

I'm not spinning anything, I'm just giving an opinion which I think is very true.

.and to be fair, your very entitled to it - which you should always be.
(Let the thugs of this world get a chance and that will be taken away first thing on their agenda)

We can waffle and discuss the present situation all we want (well, at least I waffle anyway) but at least we are doing it peacefully.

Dublin should be the centre or start of a protest for a number of reasons.
* One being if a border town is selected, some dodgy elements would/might try to claim that it is being individually selected for specific reasons.
* Dublin is our capital, where our centre of power is where our representatives sit, and where there is the most access to the worlds media and communication facilities.
...to just throw two notions out there.

A single sign above out heads saying "NO MORE VIOLENCE - NOT IN OUR NAME PLEASE" shows the world that:
a. We are not naming or picking on any one group
b. We wish only peace
c. We, the vast majority all feel the same way.

The propaganda spinners can spin all they want. Those reading the signs across the world on their TV screens will see the signs for what they actually say.

******************

Thinking a few months down the line...

We will end up like Pakistan to some extent.
Because the world is more media savvy and communication aware, a number of things can happen.

International music stars will keep away.
International sports games could be effected/cancelled
The rich and wealthy will go elsewhere with their companies and business and/or their vacation money.

...and thats only to begin with.

When that happens, by lord, its definitely going to make things worse here and Ireland as hard as it is NOW trying to recover, it will make that recovery timeline go from years to maybe decades at the very least.

We MUST act now - for all our sakes. To fail to do so, is not only opening the doors wider to disaster for Ireland, its virtually asking disaster to come in with our blessing.

Be it in lives and/or economic value - we can't afford not to.

thebman · 10-03-2009 03:39PM

I'm against a protest on the grounds that I believe less people would attend this protest than the protest on the pension levy and I believe that sends a worse message than not having a protest.

That Irish people think a portion of their wages to keep the country afloat is more important that peoples lives or peace in this country.

PCros · 10-03-2009 03:40PM

Good post biggins
Lets hope it doesnt come to that....

midlandsmissus · 10-03-2009 03:44PM

No, I would not attend

PCros wrote: »

Fair enough I agree what you are trying to get across but I would love that to happen but it simply would not work, too many people would ruin it and spin it as anti IRA protesting and take offence to that.

I'm not spinning anything, I'm just giving an opinion which I think is very true.

Sitting back and doing nothing is always the easiest option though.

I wouldn't be afraid of a few reprisals when we would be marching for such a good cause - overall peace.

Sometimes you have to get over your own fear and help others.

midlandsmissus · 10-03-2009 03:47PM

No, I would not attend

Biggins wrote: »

.and to be fair, your very entitled to it - which you should always be.
(Let the thugs of this world get a chance and that will be taken away first thing on their agenda)

We can waffle and discuss the present situation all we want (well, at least I waffle anyway) but at least we are doing it peacefully.

Dublin should be the centre or start of a protest for a number of reasons.
* One being if a border town is selected, some dodgy elements would/might try to claim that it is being individually selected for specific reasons.
* Dublin is our capital, where our centre of power is where our representatives sit, and where there is the most access to the worlds media and communication facilities.
...to just throw two notions out there.

A single sign above out heads saying "NO MORE VIOLENCE - NOT IN OUR NAME PLEASE" shows the world that:
a. We are not naming or picking on any one group
b. We wish only peace
c. We, the vast majority all feel the same way.

The propaganda spinners can spin all they want. Those reading the signs across the world on their TV screens will see the signs for what they actually say.
******************

Thinking a few months down the line...

We will end up like Pakistan to some extent.
Because the world is more media savvy and communication aware, a number of things can happen.

International music stars will keep away.
International sports games could be effected/cancelled
The rich and wealthy will go elsewhere with their companies and business and/or their vacation money.

...and thats only to begin with.

When that happens, by lord, its definitely going to make things worse here and Ireland as hard as it is NOW trying to recover, it will make that recovery timeline go from years to maybe decades at the very least.

We MUST act now - for all our sakes. To fail to do so, is not only opening the doors wider to disaster for Ireland, its virtually asking disaster to come in with our blessing.

Be it in lives and/or economic value - we can't afford not to.

Im totally with you biggins. I really can't see anyone seeing it as anti-any one particular group, when it will be an overall peace march.
We need help from higher up though to get something like this organised. Who would we need to contact to get it going, even to advertise to everyone that it would be going on, would any media get in on the act?

Gruffalo · 10-03-2009 03:48PM

No, I would not attend

Biggins wrote: »

.and to be fair, your very entitled to it - which you should always be.
(Let the thugs of this world get a chance and that will be taken away first thing on their agenda)

We can waffle and discuss the present situation all we want (well, at least I waffle anyway) but at least we are doing it peacefully.

Dublin should be the centre or start of a protest for a number of reasons.
* One being if a border town is selected, some dodgy elements would/might try to claim that it is being individually selected for specific reasons.
* Dublin is our capital, where our centre of power is where our representatives sit, and where there is the most access to the worlds media and communication facilities.
...to just throw two notions out there.

A single sign above out heads saying "NO MORE VIOLENCE - NOT IN OUR NAME PLEASE" shows the world that:
a. We are not naming or picking on any one group
b. We wish only peace
c. We, the vast majority all feel the same way.

The propaganda spinners can spin all they want. Those reading the signs across the world on their TV screens will see the signs for what they actually say.
******************

Why just Dublin? Surely every city or large town should be encouraged to participate in order to make it as easy as possible for those who wish to participate.

Cianos · 10-03-2009 04:40PM

No, I would not attend

Not marching for peace out of fear of the pro-(R)IRA thug brigade showing up to throw bottles is giving in to the same kind of thuggery that has been displayed over the past few days. We as a people shouldn't let ourselves be represented or intimidated by those who carry out these attacks. If a small group of ignorant people can't stomach a march for peace in the North through the streets of Dublin, let them show up because they'll be very very much outnumbered.

Miguel_Sanchez · 10-03-2009 04:41PM

No, I would not attend

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Do we protest the West Dublin gang killings or the Limerick family disputes?

Gang land criminals are not claiming to be murdering in my name.

Donny5 · 10-03-2009 04:47PM

No, I would not attend

I would attend such a protest, but only if the sole purpose was to condemn the violence. Any other motives, or themes, or posters and banners extolling any other sentiment, or the visible presence of any political group, and I would leave immediately.

andrewh5 · 10-03-2009 04:50PM

No, I would not attend

Cianos wrote: »

Not marching for peace out of fear of the pro-(R)IRA thug brigade showing up to throw bottles is giving in to the same kind of thuggery that has been displayed over the past few days. We as a people shouldn't let ourselves be represented or intimidated by those who carry out these attacks. If a small group of ignorant people can't stomach a march for peace in the North through the streets of Dublin, let them show up because they'll be very very much outnumbered.

Well said!

PK2008 · 10-03-2009 05:06PM

No, I would not attend

Fùck the IRA (PIRA, RIRA, CIRA, whatever)

Self selecting, delusional, bunch of murderous, inbread twàts

Id have no problem with any march being anti IRA- pack of a55holes

......and guess what my Great uncle was part of the original IRA in 1920.. but you know what?? I DONT CARE... that was nearly a hundred years ago- different time, different place

There is no comparison between then and now and absolutely no need for any of this sh1te anymore

(rant over)

Would you attend a public demonstration protesting the actions of the real IRA?

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