Would you attend a public demonstration protesting the actions of the real IRA?

Mr.Lizard · 10-03-2009 10:56AM

I would definetly protest. Anything that keeps me from my pizza is not good.

javaboy · 10-03-2009 10:59AM

Degsy wrote: »

They may dress up criminality in a political guise but shooting people is a crime involving guns.
There are people shot at the rate of at least one a week in the republic by armed scumbags,is it more important when its britsih soldiers killed?

Oh I agree 100% and I don't think these murders should be treated as political in any way. That gives them a shred of legitimacy.

But I think my point still stands. Turn it into a demo against gun crime, drug dealing etc. will lead to a focus on the incompetence of the government in dealing with crime. Which in turn will lead to a general whinge at the government. Not that it's undeserved but the impact of any demo is better when it's on a single issue.

Cianos · 10-03-2009 11:01AM

No, I would not attend

Degsy wrote: »

They may dress up criminality in a political guise but shooting people is a crime involving guns.
There are people shot at the rate of at least one a week in the republic by armed scumbags,is it more important when its britsih soldiers killed?

Protesting about a specific issue is more effective, because it sends a clearer message and allows people to identify with a specific event or the prevention of further specific events. It's not a moral issue, it's more a 'marketing/communication' issue in that to reach the critical mass it is easier to do so when the message is specific.

mike65 · 10-03-2009 11:13AM

The C-IRA have just claimed responsibility for the murder of the policeman.

Degsy, and anyone else who wonder why protest - its simple, now is the time because if the mass of people do nothing and say nothing then the atmosphere will detoriate as the old "fissures" reopen, if we all stand together now that can be avoided at least to some degree.

Just as SF/DUP have to stand together (expect SF to be at the funerals of this weeks dead) the rest of us have to be seen to be against these scum-suckers or they will be calling the shots.

Darragh29 · 10-03-2009 11:17AM

No, I would not attend

Steve.Pseudonym wrote: »

No one has suggested civil war. However, the possibility of loyalist retaliation is very real if there is continued violence by dissident republicans. It is no stretch of the imagination.

Maybe in the morning we'll find out that this latest shooting had nothing to do with republicans and we'll never hear from them again. I hope that's true, but I doubt it strongly.

This is about sending a message, that we will not stand for this kind of thing on our island.

To the OP, yes, I'd attend a protest to show my outrage at this murder.

To the poster quoted above, maybe if the loyalist paramilitaries had to decommission their weapons like the Provisional IRA had to, we would be less worried about retaliation now. The decision of DUP/UUP to only focus on decommissioning IRA military hardware is now coming back to haunt us all.

I'd say before the weekend, there will be retaliation by loyalist paramilitaries for these 3 murders. And just like before, it will be innocent Catholic taxi drivers and the likes who will be taking the bullets and ending up in the morgue.

S.I.R · 10-03-2009 11:17AM

I would consider attending, but only if there is further violence

nah i i don't need to be shot thanks.

DonJose · 10-03-2009 11:18AM

mike65 wrote: »

The C-IRA have just claimed responsibility for the murder of the policeman.

C-IRA or R-IRA O'Hare or O'Hara, there's no one as Irish as Barack Obama

_feedback_ · 10-03-2009 11:41AM

Degsy wrote: »

They may dress up criminality in a political guise but shooting people is a crime involving guns.
There are people shot at the rate of at least one a week in the republic by armed scumbags,is it more important when its britsih soldiers killed?

But it's completely different circumstances that people in the republic are dying under. Most of it is drug related, or at least directly related to crime and gangs etc. These young men that have died over the last few days weren't involved in drugs or crime, apart from doing their bit to prevent it. Irish scum killed them because of who they are. Of course there is politics involved, the sensationalist stories broke ALL OVER THE WORLD not just here. We really need to get the message out that we hate the scum that done that, and it is good indeed that everyone has said that quite strongly.

I was in Poland on Sunday when the news broke, they don't know who the RIRA are, and while translating the news they told me the IRA had claimed responsibility. They don't realise the difference. I later explained that the RIRA are scum with no support here, but surely that message didn't relay all over the world.

OP, you're right, a very clear message from the people needs to go out to tell these idiots to go back in to the hole they came out of.

Sorry for the rant . . . .

My name is URL · 10-03-2009 11:47AM

I would consider attending, but only if there is further violence

Wouldn't protesting be like saying we don't want a united Ireland? After the amount of people who've already died through the years, it would seem a bit traitorous. I don't support the violence we've seen recently, but I'm still a Republican damn it!

Dartz · 10-03-2009 11:51AM

No, protesting is unnecessary / ineffectual

Free holidays in the Curragh for those involved. No trial. No civil liberties, just 6ft by 4, a hole in the floor and some straw. It worked in the thirties and forties.

What people forgot, is that the RIRA, CIRA and even PIRA are treasonous organisations, quite literally enemies of the state. They see their own army councils as the legitimate rulers of the island, rather than the democratically elected government.

I wonder if we shouldn't start treating them as 'enemies', and not as criminals subject to the rule of law they clearly dont accept.

Kev_ps3 · 10-03-2009 11:56AM

I would consider attending, but only if there is further violence

I voted no. I think the only thing we (as in the real Irish people) should protest about is the continued presence of the Union Jack on this Island.

mike65 · 10-03-2009 11:58AM

Wouldn't protesting be like saying we don't want a united Ireland? After the amount of people who've already died through the years, it would seem a bit traitorous. I don't support the violence we've seen recently, but I'm still a Republican damn it!

Thats such a retarded post its hard to know where to start, why not just go north and ask in the right pub? I'm sure you can be a "hero" for the cause.

10-03-2009 12:00PM

No, I would not attend

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Darragh29 · 10-03-2009 12:00PM

No, I would not attend

What I'm wondering is what event(s) can these two separate organisations point to, that has motivated them to return to violence. Don't forget, we are talking about two separate terror groups here returning to violence within a day of each other, after many years of what I thought was a community that was living in peace. What has motivated them to do this is my question???

Darragh29 · 10-03-2009 12:02PM

No, I would not attend

Dartz wrote: »

Free holidays in the Curragh for those involved. No trial. No civil liberties, just 6ft by 4, a hole in the floor and some straw. It worked in the thirties and forties.

What people forgot, is that the RIRA, CIRA and even PIRA are treasonous organisations, quite literally enemies of the state. They see their own army councils as the legitimate rulers of the island, rather than the democratically elected government.

I wonder if we shouldn't start treating them as 'enemies', and not as criminals subject to the rule of law they clearly dont accept.

Yeah, that worked wonders in the past... :rolleyes:

mike65 · 10-03-2009 12:03PM

Its about keeping up with the joneses, the C-IRA don't want the R-IRA to be seen as the only "freedom fighters" in town. A simple gun attack ambush only takes a hoax phone call to a republican hotspot to organise.

My name is URL · 10-03-2009 12:08PM

I would consider attending, but only if there is further violence

mike65 wrote: »

Thats such a retarded post its hard to know where to start, why not just go north and ask in the right pub? I'm sure you can be a "hero" for the cause.

You're entitled to your opinion, I guess

Dartz · 10-03-2009 12:08PM

No, protesting is unnecessary / ineffectual

Darragh29 wrote: »

Yeah, that worked wonders in the past... :rolleyes:

It did work for World War 2. There's an article in todays Irish Independant by Kevin Myers discussing it.

Miguel_Sanchez · 10-03-2009 12:13PM

No, I would not attend

Yes.

Simple as that.

10-03-2009 12:15PM

No, I would not attend

What are they looking or trying to achive with these killings

Darragh29 · 10-03-2009 12:16PM

No, I would not attend

Dartz wrote: »

It did work for World War 2. There's an article in todays Irish Independant by Kevin Myers discussing it.

You would hardly expect any other flavour of opinion from Kevin Myers. It didn't work in NI in the past, all it did was create huge sympathies for the IRA and their membership subsequently spiralled.

Miguel_Sanchez · 10-03-2009 12:16PM

No, I would not attend

Upward Spiral wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinion, I guess

Thankfully most people share his opinion and not yours. How would protesting the terrorist murders we've seen over the past few days indicate you didn't want a united Ireland?

Miguel_Sanchez · 10-03-2009 12:17PM

No, I would not attend

hellboy99 wrote: »

What are they looking or trying to achive with these killings

Trying to derail the peace process.

Gummy Panda · 10-03-2009 12:20PM

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Wouldn't protesting be like saying we don't want a united Ireland? After the amount of people who've already died through the years, it would seem a bit traitorous. I don't support the violence we've seen recently, but I'm still a Republican damn it!

Or you could protest that you are against achieving a United Ireland by violence.

My name is URL · 10-03-2009 12:21PM

I would consider attending, but only if there is further violence

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

Thankfully most people share his opinion and not yours. How would protesting the terrorist murders we've seen over the past few days indicate you didn't want a united Ireland?

Calling them terrorist murders only validates what they're doing. They are criminal murders, pure and simple. Do we protest the West Dublin gang killings or the Limerick family disputes? Protesting will reaffirm that what they're doing is important and cause greater problems.

Biggins · 10-03-2009 12:24PM

No, I would not attend

Dartz wrote: »

...What people forgot, is that the RIRA, CIRA and even PIRA are treasonous organisations, quite literally enemies of the state. They see their own army councils as the legitimate rulers of the island, rather than the democratically elected government.

I wonder if we shouldn't start treating them as 'enemies', and not as criminals subject to the rule of law they clearly don't accept.

Well said and accurate as far as I can see too.

This scum does not want:

A democratic free state.
Individual rights to be upholded
The law to be respected
To recognise either catholic or protestant communities

What they do want is:

To be always bully and intimidate
Kill and maim without paying a penalty.
Invoke a Marxist state where no one owns anything and all goods including your home and lands no longer belong to you!
To murder people for ALL side of the community, Protestant or Catholic. Across all borders of every kind.

Now I hold United Ireland ideas and aspirations also as much as the next person - but lets make it clear - I do NOT want an eventual united Ireland in generations to come (if ever) that is born on the death of thousands, that was brought in by driving over the many broken bodies of those harmed and tortured. These victims will not only be our neighbours and friends, they will be our sons and daughters too.

A march or protest does NOT say you are relinquishing your loyalty to the idea of a united Ireland.
A march or protest of the present killings does say:

I respect the existence of democratic system and the right of the people to chose direction by a ballot box - not a Marxist bomb.
I respect the right of other communities the right to exist in peace.
No cowardly murdering head covered thugs represents me and my family.
The vast multi-cultural population modern people of Ireland does not support these scum - a message to the rest of the world!
They will not win!

I will be fcuked if these scumbags ever represent me. That is a road to either nowhere and/or a living hell for us all, both now and for generations to come.
I will not have it on my tombstone that I stood back and just let it happen like a coward. Will I hell!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

End of story! :mad:

_feedback_ · 10-03-2009 12:30PM

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Calling them terrorist murders only validates what they're doing. They are criminal murders, pure and simple. Do we protest the West Dublin gang killings or the Limerick family disputes? Protesting will reaffirm that what they're doing is important and cause greater problems.

So, if they kill a couple of hundred people with a bomb in the next while, should we just shrug our shoulders and say "bleedin' criminals, at it again" ?

They are blackening YOUR NAME with this disgusting behaviour.

pigeonbutler · 10-03-2009 12:34PM

No, I would not attend

At Easter last year (not sure exactly which day, perhaps Holy Saturday) the "political wings" of CIRA and RIRA marched down O'Connell street to the GPO accompanied by men and women (more accurately boys and girls) in paramilitary uniforms. I was disgusted to see those thugs being able to walk down our capital's main street with impunity and attempt to use our shared history to justify their murderous, treasonous belief in continued armed struggle. The only satisfaction I got was seeing special branch photographing and taking the names of those who take part.

How about this year confronting those same thugs with a silent protest. A previous poster summed up the message that should be carried on placards "NO MORE MURDER IN IRELAND'S NAME". For those nervous about getting aggro all you've got to do is alert the Guards in advance and no doubt they'll put a big presence on the streets (including armed Special Branch).

It's vitally important that these clowns get the message that they don't represent the people of Ireland.

My name is URL · 10-03-2009 12:35PM

I would consider attending, but only if there is further violence

elviscostello wrote: »

So, if they somebody kills a couple of hundred people with a bomb in the next while, should we just shrug our shoulders and say "bleedin' criminals, at it again" ?

They are blackening YOUR NAME with this disgusting behaviour.

Well sensationalizing these events is a sure fire way to make them want to do something bigger like a bombing.

_feedback_ · 10-03-2009 12:41PM

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Well sensationalizing these events is a sure fire way to make them want to do something bigger like a bombing.

Cop on to yourself, really. I'm not sensationalizing anything. I'm asking you is that how you would react if it happened? These dirty scumbags are using your country in the names of their organisations. No matter what their 'reasoning' is, letting them continue and brushing it off as criminal activity is pure nonsense.

Would you attend a public demonstration protesting the actions of the real IRA?

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