Giving money to homeless person

04-03-2009 09:44PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

I would hope you don't apply this way of thinking to all sub-sections of society.

except foreigners of course;)

Aidric · 04-03-2009 09:45PM

Patrick Bateman had it right in his treatment of the homeless.

Abi · 04-03-2009 09:49PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

I would hope you don't apply this way of thinking to all sub-sections of society.

Please define. If you are talking about skangers in their pyjamas and fake uggs in town, you bet your bottom dollar Iam.

Sir Gallagher · 04-03-2009 09:54PM

Abigayle wrote: »

Please define. If you are talking about skangers in their pyjamas and fake uggs in town, you bet your bottom dollar Iam.

I think what i said was fairly clear, if your brother was mugged by a group of black fellas in town would your attitude towards black people change then?

Abi · 04-03-2009 10:04PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

I think what i said was fairly clear, if your brother was mugged by a group of black fellas in town would your attitude towards black people change then?

It wasnt actually. And no, it doesnt matter a damn what race we are talking about.

However, it is of a racist view to refer to 'blacks' as sub-section of society.

Incidently, my brothers mugger was white, Irish and scum.

Sir Gallagher · 04-03-2009 10:18PM

Abigayle wrote: »

It wasnt actually. And no, it doesnt matter a damn what race we are talking about.

However, it is of a racist view to refer to 'blacks' as sub-section of society.

Incidently, my brothers mugger was white, Irish and scum.

It's obviously not racist, you're clutching at straws there.

Yes, your brother's mugger was "white Irish and scum" that's fair enough but not all homeless people are like that, they need help not ignorance.

Abi · 04-03-2009 10:23PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

It's obviously not racist, you're clutching at straws there.

Yes, your brother's mugger was "white Irish and scum" that's fair enough but not all homeless people are like that, they need help not ignorance.

Claiming Im clutching at straws is a sign of weakness.

So do you recommend we arm-link them to the nearest clinic / social welfare office?

You have to WANT help to get it.

shenanigans1982 · 04-03-2009 10:28PM

Madalynn Wide Pin wrote: »

The other night I was walking across halfpenny bridge and gave the change in my back pocket to a homeless person. It was something like ten cent or so, but the fella picked it out of his cup and threw it at me calling me a ****.

Being a 19yr old student who had to drink one less pint in order to preserve the €1.60 for the bus home, I felt giving the few cents in my back pocket to a homeless person was better than just kicking it away, as some people tend to do with coppers. Was this just a sheer insult to the fella? Did he expect me to give him the minimum of €1 or something. Up until recently I used ignore those who were begging, perhaps ill continue to do so unless i decide to start giving them a bus fare or something.

Bottom line - was i being insultive giving about 10 or 12 cent?

I once seen a homeless guy attack someone who gave him a handful of chips from a McDonalds bag....count yourself lucky.

Sir Gallagher · 04-03-2009 10:35PM

Abigayle wrote: »

Claiming Im clutching at straws is a sign of weakness.

So do you recommend we arm-link them to the nearest clinic / social welfare office?

You have to WANT help to get it.

A sign of weakness no, just pointing out your misunderstanding of the word subsection.

How do you know what homeless people "want"? you obviously have no regard for them whatsoever. I recommend that you give them a few quid or else give to a homeless charity thats all.

AckwelFoley · 04-03-2009 10:49PM

Since i lost my job in december and am now working for myself in these recessionary times, i have become far to niggardly to be making donations to other people...

...unless its my sperm. I'll donate that for free..

just point me to a face

Abi · 04-03-2009 10:49PM

Sir Gallagher wrote:

How do you know what homeless people "want"?

Do you? Enlighten me.

I recommend that you give them a few quid or else give to a homeless charity thats all.

I refer to Creeping Deaths post I quoted earlier.

Im not trying to rile you, I just disagree.

Abi · 04-03-2009 10:52PM

snyper wrote: »

Since i lost my job in december and am now working for myself in these recessionary times

Nnno0o0o0o0oh! Not you too

*Loads gun*

Gummy Panda · 04-03-2009 10:56PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Most homeless people have real issues, psychological problems, alcholism drug addiction as well as being poorly educated, they have no other option than to beg.

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

How do you know what homeless people "want"? you obviously have no regard for them whatsoever. I recommend that you give them a few quid or else give to a homeless charity thats all.

Give money to people with psychological, alcholism and drug problems.. eh no. I'll give it to a charity but i wouldn't endanger myself by interacting with a homeless person late at night in town.

Sure i won't use an ATM with a homeless person sitting at it because it feels unsafe.

AckwelFoley · 04-03-2009 10:58PM

Abigayle wrote: »

Nnno0o0o0o0oh! Not you too

*Loads gun*

No need dear

Ive never being happier. Im broke but im getting there - stress free.

CamperMan · 04-03-2009 11:00PM

snyper wrote: »

No need dear

Ive never being happier. Im broke but im getting there - stress free.

It's a great feeling working for yourself, keep it up!

Sir Gallagher · 04-03-2009 11:02PM

Abigayle wrote: »

Do you? Enlighten me.

I refer to Creeping Deaths post I quoted earlier.

Im not trying to rile you, I just disagree.

They want/need help, you dont think sitting in the street in smelly clothes and cardboard begging people for money is a cry out for help?

Denerick · 04-03-2009 11:03PM

I've long since lost all childish naievity towards homeless people which i once had. I used to work on Angier Street, which was in between three major homeless shelters, and the constant pain in the arse they caused while working is barely mentionable. They used to drink at the side of the shop, slurring, talking ****e to each other while I actually worked to make money. Every time I see a homeless person now, with the exception of kids (Nothing worse than seeing a poor kid begging on the street, no matter the reason) I automatically feel a deep and lasting sense of loathing, almost hatred for that person. Today, for example, while walking down Dawson street at least four Romanian men asked me for money. By the fourth person I was very close to telling him to F off back to wherever he Fooking came from. I wouldn't mind, but its the same shower you always see in centra at the off license, asking people for money so they can buy cheap ass Druids cider.

Honestly, these people are the lowest of the low, dragging humanity down into the alcoholic, drug fueled mess of a nation we've created. I really do think my faith in humanity dies a little, day by day. I'm also beginning to identify with the misanthropic protagonist in Taxi Driver...

blackbox · 04-03-2009 11:05PM

Amalgam wrote: »

The people on the HaPenny are long term drug users, a group that make sure only themselves and a few associates get to beg there, often an aggressive set up with the threat of violence wafting about. If you want to make your money count, store up your change and give it to an organisation that provides for the homeless and dispossessed in Dublin and elsewhere.

Most people don't have to store up change - it is automatically taken from their wages as PAYE and then distributed by the government to the homeless and also used to provide services.

raah! · 04-03-2009 11:10PM

Whenever I consider giving homeless people something which might be construed as insulting, I always show it to them and ask them if they want it. With a facial expression that says "it's only this much, but you can have it if you want". If they adress me first then I only do the facial expression.

One time when I was younger I gave a roma woman a bag of crisps I got for free, she didn't seem to mind though, she even smiled.

Carlotta · 04-03-2009 11:12PM

Madalynn Wide Pin wrote: »

The other night I was walking across halfpenny bridge and gave the change in my back pocket to a homeless person. It was something like ten cent or so, but the fella picked it out of his cup and threw it at me calling me a ****.

Being a 19yr old student who had to drink one less pint in order to preserve the €1.60 for the bus home, I felt giving the few cents in my back pocket to a homeless person was better than just kicking it away, as some people tend to do with coppers. Was this just a sheer insult to the fella? Did he expect me to give him the minimum of €1 or something. Up until recently I used ignore those who were begging, perhaps ill continue to do so unless i decide to start giving them a bus fare or something.

Bottom line - was i being insultive giving about 10 or 12 cent?

So did you give him the money so he would say thanks, be grateful, say "thank you, kind sir"? Or because you thought he could use it? Do you need to be thanked for a charitable deed?

Denerick · 04-03-2009 11:14PM

His coin was thrown back at him. No-one really gives charity on the chance of been thanked, but charity thrown back in your face? I'd have every right to be

Sir Gallagher · 04-03-2009 11:15PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Give money to people with psychological, alcholism and drug problems.. eh no. I'll give it to a charity but i wouldn't endanger myself by interacting with a homeless person late at night in town.

Sure i won't use an ATM with a homeless person sitting at it because it feels unsafe.

They do be around in the day-time too you know, they're not the bogeyman.

Abi · 04-03-2009 11:16PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

They want/need help, you dont think sitting in the street in smelly clothes and cardboard begging people for money is a cry out for help?

I have a tough love approach to that one. Try, try, try again.

Their failure is -will power and determination. Why should I donate / get mugged for that. They are entitled to help. You have to want it enough.

You've strong views on the matter. Whats you angle? Im not being patronizing, just trying to understand your view.

ukraine_orange · 04-03-2009 11:18PM

My friend and I were approached by this homeless guy one morning. My friend gave him a €5 note (I know, I wanted to kill him!), and then the guy had the audacity to me and ask me for money, just after he got a fiver off my friend. I gave him the only coin I had, which was 50¢. He scowled, barged past me, and then starting cursing and calling me a ****er.

ukraine_orange · 04-03-2009 11:19PM

Carlotta wrote: »

So did you give him the money so he would say thanks, be grateful, say "thank you, kind sir"? Or because you thought he could use it? Do you need to be thanked for a charitable deed?

I'd prefer to be thanked than to have it thrown back at me like it's dirt. The guy sounds like a total douche.

Abi · 04-03-2009 11:26PM

ukraine_orange wrote: »

My friend and I were approached by this homeless guy one morning. My friend gave him a €5 note (I know, I wanted to kill him!), and then the guy had the audacity to me and ask me for money, just after he got a fiver off my friend. I gave him the only coin I had, which was 50¢. He scowled, barged past me, and then starting cursing and calling me a ****er.

^^^

You see what I mean SG? Its not that the better off are stingey. Its fear more than anything else.

Sir Gallagher · 04-03-2009 11:31PM

Abigayle wrote: »

I have a tough love approach to that one. Try, try, try again.

Their failure is -will power and determination. Why should I donate / get mugged for that. They are entitled to help. You have to want it enough.

You've strong views on the matter. Whats you angle? Im not being patronizing, just trying to understand your view.

When you haven't got a roof above your head the words will power and determination take on a whole new meaning. Of course homeless people look for help, what options do they have? These are people who've in most circumstances suffered horrible things in their lives the sad thing is the in most cases the only thing that helps them through is drink or drugs because society doesn't seem to care.

I don't have any particular angle i just think that homelessness is a horrific thing for any human being to go through.

Abi · 04-03-2009 11:40PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

When you haven't got a roof above your head the words will power and determination take on a whole new meaning.

fight for survival?

Of course homeless people look for help, what options do they have? These are people who've in most circumstances suffered horrible things in their lives the sad thing is the in most cases the only thing that helps them through is drink or drugs because society doesn't seem to care.

Says who? General public are afraid for the most part. But its not them they need help from.

shezzie · 04-03-2009 11:40PM

you were being nice giving your last few cents to the chap he could have been more grateful...i mean he gets 204euro social welfare plus what every one gives even if it is only 10 cent they soon add up to the euros etc..

personally i dont give anything to homeless directly i give to the organisations who help them with food, accomodation, etc..i always feel like the money i give them is on drink or drugs or something else as bad(i know they are all not like that)..

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 04-03-2009 11:43PM

Abigayle wrote: »

Claiming Im clutching at straws is a sign of weakness.

So do you recommend we arm-link them to the nearest clinic / social welfare office?

You have to WANT help to get it.

Yea, because no homeless people actually want help, they are all happy to live out in the cold wet streets.

You think it is that simple?

Homeless man: Ok, I have a problem and I want help.

Social worker: Ah, here ya go, here's a house, some new clothes and a little job to keep you going...

:rolleyes:

CamperMan wrote: »

You can keep the blue peter badge,

what would you do if you became homeless, take the lazy option and go begging??.

Yea, begging is really lazy, imagine the cheek of them to sit on their asses 8 - 10 hours a day asking strangers for their hard earned cash. Definately a lazy option. Considering I can hardly handle the cold air that blows up the liffey, how these people stand it all day long is beyond me.

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Most homeless people have real issues, psychological problems, alcholism drug addiction as well as being poorly educated, they have no other option than to beg. Also its pretty hard to get a job without an address/phone no.

Begging isn't "lazy" in most cases its a desperate last resort.

Very very true. I know one homeless guy who is blind. He can do very little for himself. Poor guy.

A lot of homeless do not have the ability to help themselves. They cannot get work. While some of the homeless that I have met are very educated, they have had problems, sometimes through no fault of their own. They were just unfortunate. Some of the younger homeless just never had a chance to start with. Brought into the world by drug using parents, alcoholics, the result of prostitution etc etc. Those kids don't have anything but the streets. Who are we to judge? While we sit in our warm houses, bellies full of warm clean food. Who are we to say that they are lazy scum? Well???

I tell you one thing, most of ye don't have a clue... not a clue...

Giving money to homeless person

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