I'm so angry. Why should the Irish have to clean up other's mess

nobodythere · 03-03-2009 12:02AM

wilson10 wrote: »

OK Point taken. Israel is over 80% Jewish, so it's fair to assume that a good number of Jews were involved in the demolition of Gaza.

You're right we should probably use the money to build some sort of gas chamber for them yes?

Boskowski · 03-03-2009 12:21AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I wonder if German tax payers are saying the same thing about a certain island that has ****ed up it's economy?

Agreed.
Funny thing with a lot of the opinions here and also with a lot of what I hear in the news programs and the political magazines and from the politicians themselves is that for some strange reason they seem to assume that people outside Ireland actually give a ****. I don't mean this in any way patronizing or anything but I think it's time for a reality check.

cornbb · 03-03-2009 12:27AM

realcam wrote: »

Funny thing with a lot of the opinions here and also with a lot of what I hear in the news programs and the political magazines and from the politicians themselves is that for some strange reason they seem to assume that people outside Ireland actually give a ****. I don't mean this in any way patronizing or anything but I think it's time for a reality check.

Yep. It should be borne in mind that Ireland is not more than an adorable little sideshow to most of the rest of the world.

anonymous_joe · 03-03-2009 12:34AM

cornbb wrote: »

Yep. It should be borne in mind that Ireland is not more than an adorable little sideshow to most of the rest of the world.

Well...

We've given the world a global culture of a style of pub, and one brand of beer basically. Go us....

:pac:

Mal-Adjusted · 03-03-2009 01:15AM

cornbb wrote: »

Yep. It should be borne in mind that Ireland is not more than an adorable little sideshow to most of the rest of the world.

thank you! what so little seem to realise it that, globally, we're not important...at all. yet we think we're the top-dogs of Europe. there's a big hoo-ha about Bertie adressing the u.s. senate and us bieng "at the heart of Europe" whatever the heck that means. if Ireland were to crumble into the Atlantic, nobody would really care, or notice. the only thing that would be diffirent is that Britain would have worse weather along it's west coast.

Riddle101 · 03-03-2009 01:31AM

TBH I think it's stupid that they have this devolopment fund for Gaza, I mean it's not going to make a difference. Gaza will be demolished again another year or so and then they'll have another fund. It's best to keep the money for ourselves

Capt'n Midnight · 03-03-2009 02:18AM

wilson10 wrote:

Britain & America put a lot of money into the rebuilding of Germany after WW2.

Most of it was US money , the UK were rationing into the the 1950's and the US screwed the UK over with a loan that was only paid off at the end of 1999

We are giving €2m to people living in the most densely populated area on the planet.
The golden shower each, got many, many times that.

It's a drop in the ocean compared to the trade we do with Israel. If the boarders were open we'd probably do more trade with Palestine than we are donating , but this is one of those situations where the "trade not aid" argument can't be used.

03-03-2009 02:25AM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

In addition in ruining the German economy, I think you'll find we also caused the collapse of Lehman Brothers, AIG, GM, Chrysler, the Icelandic government, the Twin Towers, the Third Reich, the Roman Empire and Sirius B.

Do you mean, we the Irish ... or we the JEWS! Don't deny it!

OPENROAD wrote: »

True but I would be more angry about not only the wastage in spending that took place here over recent years and the inefficiencies in spending not only then but that are still taking place in this country. Now that really makes me mad.

Yes, but are you going to take any steps to prevent its reoccurrence? Thought not.

thebman · 03-03-2009 02:35AM

wilson10 wrote: »

I'm so angry. The country is going down the tubes & I just heard on the news that Michael Martin while out sunning himsel in Sharm El Sheik has decided to give over 2 million euro of our hard earned money to the fund for the rebuilding of Gaza.
Now I have as much sympathy as the next man for the plight of the inhabitants of Gaza but what about the people who caused all this devastation.
Israel is one of the richest nations in the world and against all the pleadings of practically all countries in the world they continued to pound the crap out of the country, doing billions worth of damage to buildings and infrastructure apart from killing many hundreds of innocent men, women & children.
So why do we have to pay?
Lets hope he comes back with some decent contracts for hard pressed Irish contractors & businesses so that we get something back.

Well how about you pray Europe doesn't ask the same question when they are most likely bailing us out later this year or next year because of all thoses houses people bought on debt they couldn't afford.

OPENROAD · 03-03-2009 02:44AM

994 wrote: »

Yes, but are you going to take any steps to prevent its reoccurrence? Thought not.

What do you suggest? a one man protest? The only real opportunity is the ballot box and to write to our representatives for all the good that will do, but I'm open to suggestions from you.

hurdehur · 03-03-2009 03:12AM

OPENROAD wrote: »

What do you suggest? a one man protest? The only real opportunity is the ballot box and to write to our representatives for all the good that will do, but I'm open to suggestions from you.

One person can always make a difference. The trick is to influence those around you to come around to your way of thinking and get them to influence people they know and so on. That's how elections are won and lost and how ideologies and religions gain credence.

And here are a few snazzy quotes which basically say the same but maybe not so obviously!

"One person of integrity can make a difference." - Elie Wiesel

“One person can make a difference and every person should try.” -John F Kennedy

“The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing”. -Albert Einstein

So get out there and influence some people today!

Ass · 03-03-2009 03:29AM

wilson10 wrote: »

My point is that the jews did the damage so why don't they fix it. They can well afford it.

No no no. Gaza was the Israelis. Jews were 9/11.

Max Power1 · 03-03-2009 03:55AM

wilson10 wrote: »

I'm so angry. The country is going down the tubes & I just heard on the news that Michael Martin while out sunning himsel in Sharm El Sheik has decided to give over 2 million euro of our hard earned money to the fund for the rebuilding of Gaza.
Now I have as much sympathy as the next man for the plight of the inhabitants of Gaza but what about the people who caused all this devastation.
Israel is one of the richest nations in the world and against all the pleadings of practically all countries in the world they continued to pound the crap out of the country, doing billions worth of damage to buildings and infrastructure apart from killing many hundreds of innocent men, women & children.
So why do we have to pay?
Lets hope he comes back with some decent contracts for hard pressed Irish contractors & businesses so that we get something back.

agree with you 110% there.. in times of recession you cut back unneccesary spending.. this is ridiculous. Look after our own first, i think we should cut ALL foreign aid until we actually have money to give away. If we keep this up ireland will be taking out loans to donate money!!

jimmy-jazz · 03-03-2009 04:01AM

wilson10 wrote: »

My point is that the jews did the damage so why don't they fix it. They can well afford it.

are you serious? because their intentions were to destroy the place not to re-decorate it.

and why are we paying? because despite what the country is going through, it is miniscule in comparison to what other people are suffering through.

amacachi · 03-03-2009 04:27AM

galwayrush wrote: »

It would have provided the cervical cancer vaccination to a lot of our young women here.
:mad:

No it wouldn't. Suppose 5 centres were set up around the country. 3 people involved in each one before ya count the health professionals. There's 15 people who have to be transported. Maybe give them a relocation fee. Then for the vaccine I'm sure we'd have to "put it out to tender" for 6 months.

There's the money gone. Ya gotta remember in this country it costs about 5 times more to get something going than it does to do what was the original purpose.

luckat · 03-03-2009 07:03AM

So the thugs from two streets away go and burn down a house in the next street, we shouldn't offer some small help to build a new house for those people? We should say "Ah, they brought it on themselves" and "the thugs should pay - they burnt it down"?

I know we're in trouble, but when we say we're too poor to put our hand in our pocket to help someone in shít worse trouble, then we should have no pride in ourselves at all.

walshb · 03-03-2009 10:44AM

wilson10 wrote: »

I'm so angry. The country is going down the tubes & I just heard on the news that Michael Martin while out sunning himsel in Sharm El Sheik has decided to give over 2 million euro of our hard earned money to the fund for the rebuilding of Gaza.
Now I have as much sympathy as the next man for the plight of the inhabitants of Gaza but what about the people who caused all this devastation.
Israel is one of the richest nations in the world and against all the pleadings of practically all countries in the world they continued to pound the crap out of the country, doing billions worth of damage to buildings and infrastructure apart from killing many hundreds of innocent men, women & children.
So why do we have to pay?
Lets hope he comes back with some decent contracts for hard pressed Irish contractors & businesses so that we get something back.

It's ludicrous. Israel are destroying Palestine and will keep on doing so as long as mugs like US are funding the rebuild. The world is absolutely screwed up with this mentality
.
We are being told to cut this and that and this tax and that tax and job losses etc etc, yet we can afford to blow 2 million to rebuild a place that ISRAEL is destroying with its
weapons.

Then, a few years later, it's destroyed again and again the Irish are JUMPING to throw more money at the ridiculous problem.

I can just see the Israelis: C'mon boys, keep dropping the bombs, don't worry about the devastation, the Irish are going
to foot the bill!

walshb · 03-03-2009 10:48AM

luckat wrote: »

So the thugs from two streets away go and burn down a house in the next street, we shouldn't offer some small help to build a new house for those people? We should say "Ah, they brought it on themselves" and "the thugs should pay - they burnt it down"?

I know we're in trouble, but when we say we're too poor to put our hand in our pocket to help someone in shít worse trouble, then we should have no pride in ourselves at all.

The point is that US throwing money is ONLY prolonging the problem, it is sending the wrong message to Israel.

It is telling Israel that it's Okay, we, the Irish, will rebuild any sh1t you destroy.

If you feel this is a solution, then I have to completely disagree with you

How about the 'merciful' International community COMPLETELY severing ties with the Israelis.
Now, maybe this would make them think twice about their over kill and over
destruction of another land.

Instead of simply pacifying and allowing the destruction with committed
aid packages for the rebuild

amacachi · 03-03-2009 10:54AM

walshb wrote: »

I can just see the Israelis: C'mon boys, keep dropping the bombs, don't worry about the devastation, the Irish are going
to foot the bill!

Yup, I'm sure the MASSIVE donation we're making is what all the Israelis will think of.

walshb · 03-03-2009 10:56AM

amacachi wrote: »

Yup, I'm sure the MASSIVE donation we're making is what all the Israelis will think of.

We are part of the massive donation mate. Now, it's 4 billion, so we aren't the ONLY mugs in this. Israel are takin' the piss with the whole INTERNATIONAL
community.

And for the record, this is NOT the ONLY time we have donated to this
ludicrous 'cause.'

It's been going on for years; the Israelis bomb and destroy and Ireland and the WORLD keep
ignoring and throwing ****ing money at it

jimmy-jazz · 03-03-2009 11:01AM

walshb wrote: »

How about the 'merciful' International community COMPLETELY severing ties with the Israelis.
Now, maybe this would make them think twice about their over kill and over
destruction of another land.

Instead of simply pacifying and allowing the destruction with committed
aid packages for the rebuild

explain to me please, because i am curious. while you're busy severing ties, do we just let palestinians starve and sleep in the rubble? would you expect the same treatment if you're home was destroyed and you and you're family were left homeless, hungry and poor? of course, sure what good would an aid package be to you.

walshb · 03-03-2009 11:05AM

jimmy-jazz wrote: »

explain to me please, because i am curious. while you're busy severing ties, do we just let palestinians starve and sleep in the rubble? would you expect the same treatment if you're home was destroyed and you and you're family were left homeless, hungry and poor? of course, sure what good would an aid package be to you.

You haven't digested my point. The message we are sending is not DETERRING the destruction at all; it is fueling
it and allowing and prolonging it. The problem needs a CURE, not a short
term fix.

It's time the WORLD got serious and tough with the issue. Jeez, if this was any other
bloody country doing this, the US and Britain and its allies would be invading.

Throwing dollars and dollars at the problem is worsening it, not helping
it.

Ironbars · 03-03-2009 11:06AM

It doesnt matter how much is donated the Isreali's will not allow any real recontruction to be carried out. The purpose of there 60 year genocide of palestinians is to get rid of them not help others rebuild.

If anyone bothered to read the articles one thing struck me as odd, a lot of the money is being channelled through the palestinian authority in the west bank... WTF..... They have no power in Gaza and are not known for there honesty, being western backed and lipsickles to isreal.

Lets hope the 2b donated by Saudi/uae and the likes gets through.

I doubt it though.

walshb · 03-03-2009 11:10AM

I have a query, if Ireland are sending a measly amount,, as some are suggesting, why bother at all; why not let the US or Britain or France rebuild the area.

Sure 2 million aint gonna' really be missed when the whole figure is 4 Billion. So, why send it. Is it to be seen as the oh so gracious Irish and generous Irish?

asdasd · 03-03-2009 11:17AM

It should be borne in mind that Ireland is not more than an adorable little sideshow to most of the rest of the world.

The people who are claiming ( and thanking the claim) that we single-handedly DESTROYED the German economy seem to think we are the world's biggest economy, and biggest consumer of German products. I suggest these muppets take a look at an economic atlas.

Personally I think if Germany didn't want a bubble in countries - like Ireland, Spain etc. - within the Eurozone it should have maybe pushed interest rates a bit higher, rather that keep it low because Germany was having mediocre growth. There's more to the Eurozone than Franco-Germany after all.

And wouldn't be nice if the German-Franco alliance also too their fair share of immigrants, moderating house price increases in Ireland, and England, and even nicer still if the French and Germans didn't have protectionist economics, "championing" government supported private sector across France, and - as the French are doing - now bribing companies to come back to France ( Peugot) from a EU member.

**** em.

jimmy-jazz · 03-03-2009 11:39AM

walshb wrote: »

You haven't digested my point. The message we are sending is not DETERRING the destruction at all; it is fueling
it and allowing and prolonging it. The problem needs a CURE, not a short
term fix.

It's time the WORLD got serious and tough with the issue. Jeez, if this was any other
bloody country doing this, the US and Britain and its allies would be invading.

Throwing dollars and dollars at the problem is worsening it, not helping
it.

you're point is well and truly digested by now. but what you propose we do in the mean time while peoples humanitarian needs outweigh everything else at the present moment?

the U.S has no interest in stopping israel, they are one of their best business partners. nearly all those weapons are american. but that does not take away the need for us to help human beings. forget nationality, forget religion, forget political circumstances. it is about looking after those who need help. it's time for you to adress that.

walshb · 03-03-2009 11:47AM

jimmy-jazz wrote: »

it's time for you to adress that.

Address that? Again and again and again? Are you serious.

How about it is time to get serious and time to actually put an END to the destruction.

We have been THROWING cash at the problem for years and it is not working. WE need a long term solution here.

Otherwise, all we and the rest are doing is prolonging the problem.

I know that immediate problems have to be met. But is Ireland really in a position to be throwing money at a problem that was created by Israel
AND fueled by the INTERNATIONAL community?

Like someone said, Israel do not want the rebuild. Build it and they will simply knock it down again.

jimmy-jazz · 03-03-2009 11:51AM

walshb wrote: »

Address that? Again and again and again? Are you serious.

How about it is time to get serious and time to actually put an END to the destruction.

We have been THROWING cash at the problem for years and it is not working. WE need a long term solution here.

Otherwise, all we and the rest are doing is prolonging the problem.

I know that immediate problems have to be met. But is Ireland really in a position to be throwing money at a problem that was created by Israel
AND fueled by the INTERNATIONAL community?

Like someone said, Israel do not want the rebuild. Build it and they will simply knock it down again.

i'm just going to leave you to yourself on this one. we obviously are on seperate wavelengths.

thelordofcheese · 03-03-2009 11:52AM

walshb wrote: »

I have a query, if Ireland are sending a measly amount,, as some are suggesting, why bother at all; why not let the US or Britain or France rebuild the area.

because if everyone thought like that, nothing would happen. Everyone would just shrug their shoulder and say "not my problem". And thats a shitty attitude to have.

walshb · 03-03-2009 11:54AM

jimmy-jazz wrote: »

i'm just going to leave you to yourself on this one. we obviously are on seperate wavelengths.

And what's wrong with that. I don't think we are really.

WE both agree that immediate problems have to be met; I just think that a long
term solution is never going to be found if WE constantly IGNORE the issue and constantly
throw money at the problem

I'm so angry. Why should the Irish have to clean up other's mess

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