Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

Mr Alan · 25-02-2009 12:39PM

name 5 working club managers better (just out of curiousity like.....)

whatawaster · 25-02-2009 12:46PM

shakespeare wrote: »

this opinion is based on what? if based on purely success then im afraid he is not even nearly top 5 as there are many more successful managers(allbeit older ones) doing the rounds...if based on his footballing philosophy then surely success is a sign of whether or not this "philosophy" is enough to consider him in the top 5?

and while a good manager, i do agree, top 5 is a bit flattering to him...i agree with a lot, if not all, of what youre saying but (and heres my point)i think its this type of "pedestol-ing" that may irritate other liverpool fans who arent as supportive of him.

Ps: if he goes on to succeed in the way that i presume you think he will then fair enough...but lets ease off with the subjective "top 5" crap...

why, then will Real Madrid almost certainly at least try and poach him in the summer?

shakespeare · 25-02-2009 12:53PM

all subjective of course (league they've managed in and how much you consider they deserve praise for their individual achievements etc.)

- ferguson
- mourihno
- wenger
- O'neill
- Capello
- Ancelloti
- Lippi
- Hiddink
- Scolari
- Erikson
- Del bosque
- Hitzfeld

These are in success terms alone...please dont respond with how "this league didnt mean sh*t" and how "ya cant count whatever"....

accept my point, that it is completely and wholly subjective as to whether or not you could consider the man top 5...and accept my other point...he is yet to prove he is as good as a lot of pool fans think he is. to laud him with such praise "top 5 in the world" is a bit of "the cart before the horse" and although i personally think he will go on to better(with liverpool or not) i think its the permeture adulation that irritates people when you guys talk about him.

whatawaster · 25-02-2009 12:56PM

shakespeare wrote: »

all subjective of course (league they've managed in and how much you consider they deserve praise for their individual achievements etc.)

- ferguson
- mourihno
- wenger
- O'neill
- Capello
- Ancelloti
- Lippi
- Hiddink
- Scolari
- Erikson
- Del bosque
- Hitzfeld

These are in success terms alone...please dont respond with how "this league didnt mean sh*t" and how "ya cant count whatever"....

accept my point, that it is completely and wholly subjective as to whether or not you could consider the man top 5...and accept my other point...he is yet to prove he is as good as a lot of pool fans think he is. to laud him with such praise "top 5 in the world" is a bit of "the cart before the horse" and although i personally think he will go on to better(with liverpool or not) i think its the permeture adulation that irritates people when you guys talk about him.

I agree that it's totally subjective, but under no criteria at all does Martin O'Neill come ahead of Rafa Benitez

Iang87 · 25-02-2009 01:02PM

major bookies in england have suspended betting in benitez not being manager at the start of next season.
Just on SSN now

TedKelly · 25-02-2009 01:05PM

5starpool wrote: »

Surely if there was any truth to this it would be on loads of websites and ssn etc already? Nothing mentioned any of those places. Doesn't mean it isn't true, but surely not very likely?

Well it's on SSN now...........

Boggles · 25-02-2009 01:08PM

whatawaster wrote: »

why, then will Real Madrid almost certainly at least try and poach him in the summer?

Because they have tried nearly everyone else.

shakespeare · 25-02-2009 01:10PM

whatawaster wrote: »

why, then will Real Madrid almost certainly at least try and poach him in the summer?

to this i say Ramos and Quiroz, ya dont exactly have to be She-ra princess of power to be courted by Real these days...

and as for Oneill,

although he has only ever had success in Scotland(doesnt count right?) he has also never commnaded the budget or raw materials that benitez has...and so i put to you...please explain to me how "under no criteria" Oneill is a better manager then Benitez...considering theyre vastly differing footballing careers and circumstances?

whatawaster · 25-02-2009 01:17PM

shakespeare wrote: »

to this i say Ramos and Quiroz, ya dont exactly have to be She-ra princess of power to be courted by Real these days...

and as for Oneill,

although he has only ever had success in Scotland(doesnt count right?) he has also never commnaded the budget or raw materials that benitez has...and so i put to you...please explain to me how "under no criteria" Oneill is a better manager then Benitez...considering theyre vastly differing footballing careers and circumstances?

O'Neill has a big budget at Villa, spends more than Benitez on average every season, and he had a comparably large budget in Scotland.

Cyrus · 25-02-2009 01:19PM

shakespeare wrote: »

to this i say Ramos and Quiroz, ya dont exactly have to be She-ra princess of power to be courted by Real these days...

and as for Oneill,

although he has only ever had success in Scotland(doesnt count right?) he has also never commnaded the budget or raw materials that benitez has...and so i put to you...please explain to me how "under no criteria" Oneill is a better manager then Benitez...considering theyre vastly differing footballing careers and circumstances?

and you can make the same arguments against mourinho and ferguson

lint316 · 25-02-2009 01:19PM

From football 365:

"Wow, what's going on? In the last few hours the odds on Rafa Benitez finishing the season as the Liverpool manager have been slashed. One leading bookie has suspended betting on Benitez being the next Prem manager out while SkyBet have the Spaniard at 2/5 not to be the club's boss for next season"

Cyrus · 25-02-2009 01:20PM

Meanwhile, William Hill report that they have been 'forced to suspend their betting on the next Premiership manager to go after Rafa Benitez was backed off the boards by Hill's customers to be the ninth manager to go.'

"We would be very surprised if Rafa is still the Liverpool boss by midnight on Sunday," said Hill's spokesman Rupert Adams.

The bookies also list former manager Kenny Dalglish as the 3/1 favourite to be Liverpool manager at the start of next season.

altho.....suppose we can dream

shakespeare · 25-02-2009 01:23PM

whatawaster wrote: »

O'Neill has a big budget at Villa, spends more than Benitez on average every season, and he had a comparably large budget in Scotland.

this is tripe of the highest order...benitez has bought and sold so many it really is quite impossible to garner an "average"...villa do not compete in the same financial league as liverpool yet and thats fact, television rights and champions league football make sure of this...and in scotland...regardless of budget...he won everything and its cousin 5 times over with bells on...so what is closer to the truth then "Benitez is better"...is that they are both extremely talented managers. i find it hard to see how it sould be determined otherwise.

shakespeare · 25-02-2009 01:26PM

Cyrus wrote: »

and you can make the same arguments against mourinho and ferguson

exactly...i rate O neill THAT highly. and i dont say that another TOP manager (Oneill) cant EVER be considered on the same level as the manager of the club i follow.(as was just put to me by a previous poster)

eagle eye · 25-02-2009 01:26PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

name 5 working club managers better (just out of curiousity like.....)

As successful or more successful.
Alex Ferguson
Jose Mourinho
Fabio Capello
Carlo Ancelotti
Vicente Del Bosque
Ottmar Hitzfeld

Personally I rate Ferguson, Mourinho and Ancelotti as the elite in management.

I'd put Rafa in the next group along with Hiddink, O'Neill, Guardiola, Rijkaard and the other ones from the list above if they were interested, although in fairness Rafa would top that list. I don't understand for the life of me who Sven makes them lists but he does.

PiE · 25-02-2009 01:28PM

Benitez won CL.

CL > Everything O'Neil has done.

Hopefully all this noise about Benitez leaving is just the aftermath of that silly rumour yesterday reaching the masses now.

eagle eye · 25-02-2009 01:32PM

PiE wrote: »

Benitez won CL.

CL > Everything O'Neil has done.

Hopefully all this noise about Benitez leaving is just the aftermath of that silly rumour yesterday reaching the masses now.

I agree with that, but O'Neill never managed a club as big as Rafa has done. He has been successful with every club he has managed relative to what others have done with the same clubs. Leicester have been a shambles since he left them, Celtic have not come close to being as good a team as when he was in charge.

lint316 · 25-02-2009 01:33PM

Lets say if he was to go. Who would you all like to take over?

mike65 · 25-02-2009 01:34PM

Bookies have suspended betting on Rafa leaving.

whatawaster · 25-02-2009 01:34PM

lint316 wrote: »

Lets say if he was to go. Who would you all like to take over?

Klinsmann.

Don't want to even contemplate it to be honest.

zing · 25-02-2009 01:36PM

mike65 wrote: »

Bookies have suspended betting on Rafa leaving.

Maybe it's time to start that poll as to which of the many arm chairs managers on here should take over from him

mike65 · 25-02-2009 01:36PM

Klinsmann!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? Do some reserch before making crazy posts!

PiE · 25-02-2009 01:37PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I agree with that, but O'Neill never managed a club as big as Rafa has done.

Ifs and buts. Until O'Neill gets there and does it, he hasn't proved anything. Rafa has.

If Rafa does leave I think I'll need to take some time out of football myself

lint316 · 25-02-2009 01:39PM

mike65 wrote: »

Klinsmann!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? Do some reserch before making crazy posts!

I think he was joking with Klinsmann. If not then I certainly hope he was lol
Kenny Daglish is heavy favourite to take over if he does go at 3/1

Tusky · 25-02-2009 01:39PM

Babel says Gerrard will start http://www.babelofficial.com/en/latest_news.asp?AjrDcmntId=6118

zing · 25-02-2009 01:40PM

Tonights game has suddenly got so much more interesting

shakespeare · 25-02-2009 01:41PM

PiE wrote: »

Benitez won CL.

CL > Everything O'Neil has done.

Hopefully all this noise about Benitez leaving is just the aftermath of that silly rumour yesterday reaching the masses now.

oh you silly person. im trying to have a footballing debate here. to say winning one champions league (which i agree is a fine achievement) eclipses another managers whole career is just senseless. if Benitez wins nothing else in his career, will that 1 champions league still make him untouchable? look at the history books...there are pleanty of managers that have won the european cup...not all of them great...and as mourihno proved with Porto...a well organised team can compete with and beat a footballing team over 90 mins...no matter what the competition.

Oneills achievements, although not as glittering, still merit more respect then youre tinted view is giving them.

whatawaster · 25-02-2009 01:42PM

mike65 wrote: »

Klinsmann!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? Do some reserch before making crazy posts!

I have done my research and i believe he will bring some of his great Marketing and Commercial expertise to Liverpool

raven136 · 25-02-2009 01:42PM

this is insane.Before one of the biggest games of our season.

All this bull about O Neill and Klinsmann is worse.Naive in klinsmanns case as his tactics have shown and I dont want Liverpool to be ONeills first go at a proper big club(sorry Celtic).

Hope the fcuk this is all a crazy rumor

PiE · 25-02-2009 01:45PM

shakespeare wrote: »

oh you silly person. im trying to have a footballing debate here. to say winning one champions league (which i agree is a fine achievement) eclipses another managers whole career is just senseless. if Benitez wins nothing else in his career, will that 1 champions league still make him untouchable? look at the history books...there are pleanty of managers that have won the european cup...not all of them great...and as mourihno proved with Porto...a well organised team can compete with and beat a footballing team over 90 mins...no matter what the competition.

Oneills achievements, although not as glittering, still merit more respect then youre tinted view is giving them.

Read:

Ifs and buts. Until O'Neill gets there and does it, he hasn't proved anything. Rafa has.

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