IMF will sort the public sector out if they don't cop on

darkman2 · 22-02-2009 03:50AM #1

The IMF is looking at Ireland - in a very big way. You see, they think this country is bankrupt, and already they have thier plans. I can gaurantee that the IMF, when called in, will sack half our public service and tell the remaining to take at least a 50% pay cut......enough to make many homeless. The IMF are accountable to nobody. No "protest" will change their mind. Is this what the public service wants? Moaning about just a pension levy when so many private workers lose their jobs!?

TBH I am out of symphaty - I want the IMF in here to cull the public service -I don't think we can do it ourselves. This country in bankrupt and insolvent and how dare public sector secure workers (protesting because of an extra 40 euro per month levy!!!) protest on our streets when so many of us private sector workers are being sacked. They have, however, scored a massive own goal because the IMF loooovvvveeee protests - now they can come in and sort us out.

I hope they do at this stage.

K-9 · 22-02-2009 04:02AM

YEP, the IMF can do Sums, unlike the Unions.

Our teachers are great, aren't they?

darkman2 · 22-02-2009 04:08AM

K-9 wrote: »

Our teachers are great

Not worth their wage from my experience.

Tech3 · 22-02-2009 04:11AM

it is not a 40 a month pension levy, it would be more 50 or 60 euro a week for the pension levy. Couldnt argue about the public sector complaining about every little thing. They must take the punishment for the goverments mess after all :rolleyes:

K-9 · 22-02-2009 04:13AM

tech2 wrote: »

it is not a 40 a month pension levy, it would be more 50 or 60 euro a week for the pension levy. Couldnt argue about the public sector complaining about every little thing. They must take the punishment for the goverments mess after all :rolleyes:

After tax relief what are the amounts and on what wages?

I didn't hear them moaning about pay increases when the Govt. were messing up?

Senna · 22-02-2009 04:16AM

I bought our kitchen and a nice desk in IMF

22-02-2009 04:16AM

darkman2 wrote: »

The IMF is looking at Ireland - in a very big way. You see, they think this country is bankrupt, and already they have thier plans. I can gaurantee that the IMF, when called in, will sack half our public service and tell the remaining to take at least a 50% pay cut......enough to make many homeless. The IMF are accountable to nobody. No "protest" will change their mind. Is this what the public service wants? Moaning about just a pension levy when so many private workers lose their jobs!?

TBH I am out of symphaty - I want the IMF in here to cull the public service -I don't think we can do it ourselves. This country in bankrupt and insolvent and how dare public sector secure workers (protesting because of an extra 40 euro per month levy!!!) protest on our streets when so many of us private sector workers are being sacked. They have, however, scored a massive own goal because the IMF loooovvvveeee protests - now they can come in and sort us out.

I hope they do at this stage.

If you were a good worker, you wouldn't be sacked in the private sector!;)

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 22-02-2009 04:19AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you were a good worker, you wouldn't be sacked in the private sector!;)

Not true. Cuts need to be made, they cut people that have recently joined the company.

Will the public sector V the private sector threads please GTFO... There are soo many threads here, why the need to start new ones?

Tech3 · 22-02-2009 04:22AM

K-9 wrote: »

After tax relief what are the amounts and on what wages?

I didn't hear them moaning about pay increases when the Govt. were messing up?

say for a very ordinary 32,000 a year someone will lose 1,500 thousand off, 30euro a week which is about 120 a month thats after tax relief. It a damn lot for a government cockup.

K-9 · 22-02-2009 04:23AM

Anybody see BBC News24?

K-9 · 22-02-2009 04:24AM

tech2 wrote: »

say for a very ordinary 32,000 a year someone will lose 1,500 thousand off, 30euro a week which is about 120 a month thats after tax relief. It a damn lot for a government cockup.

What percentage is the levy on 32,000?

darkman2 · 22-02-2009 04:25AM

Senna wrote: »

I bought our kitchen and a nice desk in IMF

Would you like the real IMF to take them away - International Monetary Fund for the win - and yeah we are all f*cked. All of us. Just these public sector loons are making it worse!

Tech3 · 22-02-2009 04:29AM

K-9 wrote: »

What percentage is the levy on 32,000?

Just over 5%.

22-02-2009 04:30AM

darkman2 wrote: »

Would you like the real IMF to take them away - International Monetary Fund for the win - and yeah we are all f*cked. All of us. Just these public sector loons are making it worse!

Bastards are lyingIf they were a fund,they would give us money.

K-9 · 22-02-2009 04:32AM

tech2 wrote: »

Just over 5%.

Take of 20%.

How much PRSI do pre 95 entrants pay?

How much do post 95 entrants pay and how much were wages increased to offset the increase?

darkman2 · 22-02-2009 04:38AM

It's funny all these people talking about "fairness" - yeah over years maybe.

TBH We don 't have time to be ****ing around like this - we are going bankrupt!

22-02-2009 04:38AM

has the IMF ever been successful?Just reading up on it nw and all the countries it tried to help now have larger debt than before the IMF intervened

tallaght01 · 22-02-2009 04:41AM

My colleagues in the irish public sector are taking a HUGE HUGE cut in their salary.

My dad, who works in the poblic sector, has lost 25k off his nest egg, and is loosing 300 euro per WEEK because of the recession. My sister is on a 3.5 day week now.

Many many many people in the private sector spend their days on boards. I know them myself. They literally spend hours on the net. there are huge inefficiencies in the private sector. people need to have a long hard look at themselves. I know enough dossers in the private sector, who then tell me public sector workers have it cushy, when I've just worked a 24 hour shift.

Employment law means it's hard as hell to sack anyone in ireland, public or private sector.

Those of us who have purposely shunned the public sector were the ones who weren't rolling in it during the good times.

The people working in the motor tax office on crap money, and the people working on the xray desk in the hospital, the physiotherapist who earns about 40% less in the hospital than in the lucrative private field.......none of these people caused the recession.

THE PRIVATE SECTOR DID.

I have no problem with listening to people who work in carpet shops etc moan about the public sector workers. But your company more than likely borrowed above their needs, and their ability to pay. They most likely paid stupid money to too many people, who then felt like they were affluent, so they bought big houses and big cars with money they thought they'd have in the future.

So, private businesses around the world have been basically **** each other off for years about how much money they have. While some of us stayed in the crappy public jobs, to keep the place ticking over.

And now it's the public sector worker who's bailing everyone out, despite this being a private sector issue.

It's not pretty taking the big hits in your income, when you decided against working in the private sector. You can say what you like, but we all know the public sector are going to bail everyone else out.

But don't begrudge them a moan about it, coz there's a lot of people here who are going to benefit from other people's money in the next few years.

darkman2 · 22-02-2009 04:41AM

Welcome to our future - 3rd world, broke and in more debt. Next stop Harare. (oh wait we can't even print money now!!!)

Tech3 · 22-02-2009 04:46AM

K-9 wrote: »

Take of 20%.

How much PRSI do pre 95 entrants pay?

How much do post 95 entrants pay and how much were wages increased to offset the increase?

Why is 20% taken off?

prsi contributions amounts to 19 a week or over 1000 a year

K-9 · 22-02-2009 04:49AM

tallaght01 wrote: »

My colleagues in the irish public sector are taking HUGE HUGE cut in their salary.

My dad, who works in the poblic sector, has lost 25k off his nest egg, and is loosing 300k per WEEK because of the recession. My sister is on a 3.5 day week now.

Many many many people in the private sector spend their days on boards. I know them myself. They literally spend hours on the net. there are huge inefficiencies in the private sector. people need to have a long hard look at themselves. I know enough dossers in the private sector, who then tell me public sector workers have it cushy, when I've just worked a 24 hour shift.

Employment law means it's hard as hell to sack anyone in ireland, public or private sector.

Those of us who have purposely shunned the public sector were the ones who weren't rolling in it during the good times.

The people working in the motor tax office on crap money, and the people working on the xray desk in the hospital, the physiotherapist who earns about 40% less in the hospital than in the lucrative private field.......none of these people caused the recession.

THE PRIVATE SECTOR DID.

I have no problem with listening to people who work in carpet shops etc moan about is public sector workers. But your company more than likely borrowed above their needs, and their ability to pay. They most likely paid stupid money to to many people, who then felt like they were affluent, so they bought big houses and big cars with money they thought they'd have in the future.

So, private businesses around the world have been basically **** each other off for years about how much money they have. While some of us stayed in the crappy public jobs, to keep the place ticking over.

And now it's the public sector worker who's bailing everyone out, despite this being a private sector issue.

It's not pretty taking the big hits in your income, when you decided against working in the private sector. You can say what you like, but we all know the public sector are going to bail everyone else out.

But don't begrudge them a moan about it, coz there's a lot of people here who are going to benefit from other people's money in the next few years.

Grand, give back the benchmarking against the Private Sector then.

xOxSinéadxOx · 22-02-2009 04:50AM

I don't think they fully realise how much **** we're in. if they did I don't think they'd be protesting

arybvtcw0eolkf · 22-02-2009 04:56AM

darkman2 wrote: »

TBH We don 't have time to be ****ing around like this - we are going bankrupt!

How much did you spend getting drunk tonight?.

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arybvtcw0eolkf · 22-02-2009 05:03AM

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

I don't think they fully realise how much **** we're in. if they did I don't think they'd be protesting

You see, this is the problem.. 'They'' are not protesting!.

''They" are the fat cats living beyond our countries means, and are the untouchables.

"They" are the people who have arse raped you and me, not the nurse in A&E tonight (up to her tits in puke & blood).. "They" are not the garda on duty tonight dealing with similar or "they" are not the soldier serving oversea's in Chad, Kosovo, Bosnia etc or defusing a pipe bomb in Finglas.

The problem, and todays protest (private sector unions were out too) is about the ABSOLUTEL INEQUALITY of the pay cuts.

People are fucking angry.

And make no mistake about it "They" have made a great job of 'devoid and conqeur'.. "They" have turned you and me against each other, "They" have turned neighbour against neighbour and brother against brother in a very successful attempt to muddy the water's "THEY" wade through.

We've been ****ed over big time, but not by the ordinary man and women working in the public sector.

darkman2 · 22-02-2009 05:05AM

Mairt wrote: »

How much did you spend getting drunk tonight?.

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Im not drunk at all - I state reality and this guy thinks im drunk!? - Yeah in 8 months time we will see what the reality is and im pretty sure the IMF will be in by then sacking workers.

darkman2 · 22-02-2009 05:08AM

Mairt wrote: »

People are fucking angry.

Yeah but do you want to be fuc[king angry and have no job!? I think considering the depth of our crisis we can hold off for a bit. Anger can come with the upturn but now it is destroyinging all of us.

darkman2 · 22-02-2009 05:09AM

Mairt wrote: »

People are fucking angry.

Yeah but do you want to be fuc[king angry and have no job!? I think considering the depth of our crisis we can hold off for a bit. Anger can come with the upturn but now it is destroying all of us.

tallaght01 · 22-02-2009 05:51AM

K-9 wrote: »

Grand, give back the benchmarking against the Private Sector then.

Yea no probs, when the public sector stop selling us gaffs in tallaght for 500k etc etc

Wouldn't need to be benchmarked if the private sector weren't driving up inflation with their ridiculous wage demands when we were stuck for staff.

老大 · 22-02-2009 12:16PM

tallaght01 wrote: »

My colleagues in the irish public sector are taking HUGE HUGE cut in their salary.

My dad, who works in the poblic sector, has lost 25k off his nest egg, and is loosing 300k per WEEK because of the recession. My sister is on a 3.5 day week now.

Many many many people in the private sector spend their days on boards. I know them myself. They literally spend hours on the net. there are huge inefficiencies in the private sector. people need to have a long hard look at themselves. I know enough dossers in the private sector, who then tell me public sector workers have it cushy, when I've just worked a 24 hour shift.

And now it's the public sector worker who's bailing everyone out, despite this being a private sector issue.

What kind of public sector job is your dad in that hes loosing that kind of wage? he must be the most well pail civil servant in the country.???

Sure, there may be loads of private sector guys on boards alot, maybe their multitasking

No harm in leaving yourself logged in while on the phone to customers, using company systems and working etc..

Also if private sector staff are not productive, private sector managment will take care of it eventually themselves.. job losses...

There has been loads of job cuts, SR technics, Waterford Glass, Dell, Motorola,Britvic,Bulmers,Ericsson, Intel,RR Donnelly, Hotels,Superquinn, plus hundreds of small businesses

I have heard some public sector staff let go, but these would have been close to retirement and would have got v generous packages to go.

True the bankers have screwed us all with their dealings, they should be jailed, but we all need to pull together to get out of this mess.
Part of that is to cut costs everywhere. Asking public staff to help pay for their own pension is a small step to take.
My own pension is almost worthless so have cut that myself. I need to put food on the table for the time being.

jahalpin · 22-02-2009 12:17PM

The recession is a global thing and cannot really be blamed on the Irish government.

Most of our trade is with countries that are also experiencing a recession, so when they cutback on buying things we suffer very badly.

Most of the problems with the Irish and UK banks (exc. Anglo Irish) were in fact caused by banks in the US.

The public sector is paid for by the private sector. The public servants were happy enough to use the excellent performance of the private sector during the celtic tiger as an excuse for benchmarking. The public servants should now lose all of the benchmarking increases they received.

The public sector are always going on about how they are doing their job for the good of the country, the best thing they can do is to help the country by taking large paycuts, they will still be on more than minimum wage in their secure pensionable jobs and this will help secure the future of the state.

They can complain and protest all they want, the money is just not there to pay them at the current levels and the sooner they cop onto this fact the better.

Aidric · 22-02-2009 12:21PM

tallaght01 wrote: »

My dad.. is loosing 300k per WEEK because of the recession.

I have no sympathy for professional soccer players in a recession.

IMF will sort the public sector out if they don't cop on

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