[US/IRL] 5X06 - "316" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

Resi12 · 20-02-2009 05:47PM

Not great really...
I gave it a 5/10..

One thing I am confused about now is, Why are they on the Island again?
I thought they had to come back to stop the time flash's but didn't Locke do that when he turned the wheel thing?

So why did they even have to go back?

Sad Professor · 20-02-2009 05:56PM

Resi12 wrote: »

One thing I am confused about now is, Why are they on the Island again?
I thought they had to come back to stop the time flash's but didn't Locke do that when he turned the wheel thing?

No, I think it was the O6 returning. I don't think turning the wheel did anything except send Locke to the real world. Richard told him in 5x01:

"RICHARD: The only way to save the Island, John, is to get your people back here--the ones who left."

And in 5x05:

"CHRISTIAN: There’s a woman living in Los Angeles. Now once you get all your friends together - and it must be all of them - every one who left - and once you’ve persuaded them to join you – this woman will tell you exactly how to come back."

Resi12 · 20-02-2009 06:11PM

Sad Professor wrote: »

No, I think it was the O6 returning. I don't think turning the wheel did anything except send Locke to the real world. Richard told him in 5x01:

"RICHARD: The only way to save the Island, John, is to get your people back here--the ones who left."

And in 5x05:

"CHRISTIAN: There’s a woman living in Los Angeles. Now once you get all your friends together - and it must be all of them - every one who left - and once you’ve persuaded them to join you – this woman will tell you exactly how to come back."

But didn't they all go to that station(can't remember the name) to stop the flash's as Locke said that was where it started so that is where they could stop them. So if Locke turned the wheel that was skipping, which I believed to be representing the time skipping on the island) into the right place surely he fixed the flow of time on the island which then makes me wonder why are the Oceanic 6 even going back?!

They are told it is to save there friends but what are they saving them from??!

Sad Professor · 20-02-2009 06:17PM

Resi12 wrote: »

But didn't they all go to that station(can't remember the name) to stop the flash's as Locke said that was where it started so that is where they could stop them. So if Locke turned the wheel that was skipping, which I believed to be representing the time skipping on the island) into the right place surely he fixed the flow of time on the island which then makes me wonder why are the Oceanic 6 even going back?!

All Locke was told was that he had to bring them back. I assume he went to the Orchid 'cause he knew that was the only way off the island.

I dunno, all this such-n-such was meant to happen, such-n-such wasn't mean to happen stuff is getting confusing. Last season everyone (Ben, Richard, etc) seemed hunky dory with the O6 leaving. Then in 5x01 it was all panic stations to get them back. The island needs to make up it's bloody mind.

Resi12 · 20-02-2009 06:22PM

Sad Professor wrote: »

All Locke was told was that he had to bring them back. I assume he went to the Orchid 'cause he knew that was the only way off the island.

I dunno, all this such-n-such was meant to happen, such-n-such wasn't mean to happen stuff is getting confusing. Last season everyone (Ben, Richard, etc) seemed hunky dory with the O6 leaving. Then in 5x01 it was all panic stations to get them back. The island needs to make up it's bloody mind.

I know right?!
Actually one more observation it might mean nothing but then again when does anything in LOST mean nothing?!

Didn't Ben's mother die in childbirth? So how did she teach him to read??
Maybe he is lying about that..
This is just an observation but who knows I don't wanna spoil anything for anyone!

Maybe Ben is Daniel's brother??

PirateShampoo · 20-02-2009 06:34PM

Resi Ben appears to be older than Daniel and Bens mother died while giving birth to him.

Resi12 · 20-02-2009 06:39PM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Resi Ben appears to be older than Daniel and Bens mother died while giving birth to him.

What if he was lying? He said "My mother taught me to read" to Jack on the plane...
Ben lies about everything I do not believe anything that he says anymore.

I have a feeling that Ben's mother is indeed Mrs Farrady and that him and Daniel are related.

It would explain why Daniel would have been on the island before and also Ben's shocked face when Desmond said "You've come here to see Daniels mother too"

Just a guess I'm not great at them but maybe...

PirateShampoo · 20-02-2009 07:02PM

They showed his mother giving birth to him and her dieing. Its also why his father hated him and teliing him he killed his mother.

Also the Island apereard to Ben when he was younger in the guise of his dead mother.

Mellor · 20-02-2009 07:13PM

Resi12 wrote: »

I know right?!
Didn't Ben's mother die in childbirth? So how did she teach him to read??
Maybe he is lying about that..
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or maybe it was sarcasm

PirateShampoo · 20-02-2009 07:21PM

Thats the reason i found that scene funny has we all know Bens mum was dead and that he cant stop lying.

missingtime · 20-02-2009 08:40PM

Great freaking episode. Made me feel the way i felt when watching series 1.

Very well done.

PirateShampoo · 20-02-2009 08:42PM

missingtime wrote: »

Great freaking episode. Made me feel the way i felt when watching series 1.

Very well done.

+1 to that

Its the first episode in ages that i thought felt like it was only on for 10mins.

pickarooney · 20-02-2009 09:07PM

Psychedelic wrote: »

that episode was lethal. the jin bit at the end was brilliant, a classic lost moment. i enjoyed the return of the jack/science vs locke/fate theme. by the way, that was a very character driven episode actually - jack's struggle believing the insane premise of getting back to the island with his father's shoes on dead locke's feet. i think think was a huge episode, the way it linked back so much to the very first episode.....gonna watch this again later tonight.

why did locke need to have something belonging to christian? does that have something to do with locke's resurrection? did christian come back to life on the island coz he was was wearing sneakers, that may have belonged to someone important?

why did their crash have to be set up as similar as possible to the original one? if someone knows how to get to the island, then surely the original flight was known by people that it would crash on the island and they arranged for the losties to be on the plane? best example was claire, someone told her to get on the plane. or was it just pure coincidence coz i thought they only crashed when des was late pushing the button.

this guy? i think he was in a sayid flashback. i definitely recognise him being on the show before.

Saïd Taghmaoui played an Iraqi torturer (called Saïd) in Three Kings. Maybe he's Sayeed's proxy?

missingtime · 20-02-2009 11:28PM

I was thinking, when they were on the plane, were there people on Flight 187 i.e. the first episode, trying to get back to the island?

Hugh_C · 20-02-2009 11:48PM

pkumohideeile wrote: »

Does anyone see any connection between Joyces Ulysses and lost?

Episode 10 (of Ulysses) is called The Wandering Rocks. Could be the island, figuratively?

Chardee MacDennis · 20-02-2009 11:54PM

missingtime wrote: »

I was thinking, when they were on the plane, were there people on Flight 187 i.e. the first episode, trying to get back to the island?

flight 815?

Hugh_C · 20-02-2009 11:56PM

Requiem4adream wrote: »

Also certain scenes made zero narrative sense told from this perspective. Kate on the bed after been crying, then pounces on Jack? Zero sense as told. Awaiting flashback.

...

John's expression in the coffin definitely changes btw. He's half smiling in 1 shot.

He isn't actually dead in real life

Yeah, Kate jumping Jack's bones after refusing to tell the Aaron story is a bit naff really.

Chardee MacDennis · 21-02-2009 12:01AM

anyone reckon Hurleys guitar is for Charlie?

edit: also John 3:16

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Locke gave his life to save the island and tells Jack he wished he believed in him. or could be to do with Christian and the fact that Jack is his only son!!

isnt it also the sign you always see at matches etc -

Chardee MacDennis · 21-02-2009 12:21AM

bah reading lostpedia now and came across this:

On flight 316, Locke replaced Christian. Sayid replaced Kate. Hurley replaced Charlie.

Kate replaced Claire.

She's going to be pregnant with Jack's kid just in time to return to the island.

Sad Professor · 21-02-2009 12:32AM

BastardPrince wrote: »

Kate replaced Claire.

She's going to be pregnant with Jack's kid just in time to return to the island.

Surely they used protection though? I mean it's not like they can hide behind the "but we were on a desert island" excuse.

Then again everyone on this show seems to be having kids. Aaron, Ji-Yeon, little Charlie, Sawyer's kid, etc. Maybe the writers are going somewhere with all this.

The guy · 21-02-2009 02:49AM

Mellor wrote: »

My guess is Chang
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Chang

What about the Valencetti equation? and it's creator Enzo Valenzetti it could be him aswell.

Sad Professor · 21-02-2009 03:10AM

A little detail I missed on first viewing:

ELOISE: Well, this fellow presumed, and correctly, as it turned out, that the Island was always moving. Why do you think you were never rescued? Now while the movements of the Island seem random, this man and his team created a series of equations which tell us, with a high degree of probability, where it is going to be at a certain point... in time. Windows, as it were, that while open, provide a route back. Unfortunately, these windows don't stay open for very long.

So if the island is *always* moving then what the hell did Ben do by turning the wheel last season?

Maybe it's related to the discharge at the end of season 2. Remember the purple sky after Desmond turned the fail-safe key? Maybe it caused the island to *stop* moving. Which is how Widmore's lazy-ass boat was able to spend several days/weeks sitting right outside the "window" to the island. But when Ben turned the wheel the island started to move again.

So the purpose of the button-pushing was to, um, keep the island moving?

Eh, I dunno, just an idea. Any thoughts?

cooker3 · 21-02-2009 03:14AM

If it was always moving how come there was never a purple sky event before the hatch imploded?

Sad Professor · 21-02-2009 03:43AM

Yeah, I dunno, but that's what she said. It kinda contradicts what Ben said last season about moving the island being very unpredictable and dangerous, etc.

But this may tie in with the question of whether it's the island that is moving or just the Losties on it. I think the flashes we are seeing this season are just the Losties moving in time, not the island, hence the noise bleeds. Basically, when Ben turned the wheel he moved the island but he also exposed everyone to the same kind of electromagnetism/radiation that Desmond experienced in The Constant.

Requiem4adream · 21-02-2009 04:19AM

Sad Professor wrote: »

A little detail I missed on first viewing:

So if the island is *always* moving then what the hell did Ben do by turning the wheel last season?

Maybe it's related to the discharge at the end of season 2. Remember the purple sky after Desmond turned the fail-safe key? Maybe it caused the island to *stop* moving. Which is how Widmore's lazy-ass boat was able to spend several days/weeks sitting right outside the "window" to the island. But when Ben turned the wheel the island started to move again.

So the purpose of the button-pushing was to, um, keep the island moving?

Eh, I dunno, just an idea. Any thoughts?

Also, as i said previously, if the island is always moving then how did Michael and Walt getting off make sense? Bearing 325? How did Ben know where exactly the island was at that point in time?

Mr.Nice Guy · 21-02-2009 04:19AM

Sad Professor wrote:

Maybe it's related to the discharge at the end of season 2. Remember the purple sky after Desmond turned the fail-safe key? Maybe it caused the island to *stop* moving. Which is how Widmore's lazy-ass boat was able to spend several days/weeks sitting right outside the "window" to the island. But when Ben turned the wheel the island started to move again.

So the purpose of the button-pushing was to, um, keep the island moving?

Eh, I dunno, just an idea. Any thoughts?

Ben seemed pretty nonchalant about the purple sky though, didn't he? If that event had stopped the island moving and made it possible for the island to be found then surely he would have tried to get it moving again almost immediately. Plus I don't think he would have messed with Locke's mind and told him pushing the button was pointless if it was that vital for the island's security.

On that point though haven't the Dharma Initiative been able to locate the island? Maybe I'm confused here but didn't they drop off supplies via an aeroplane in one of the earlier seasons? If so then perhaps pushing the button, besides dealing with electro-magnetism as Kelvin talked about, also acted as a way for them to keep in touch with the island's whereabouts. That could explain why Ben left Des down there to push the button and make everything seen hunky dory?

The Gnome · 21-02-2009 06:19AM

Perhaps the island is always physically moving, whereas the wheel is related to moving in time? Just a thought.

steve 0 · 21-02-2009 10:28AM

Sad Professor wrote: »

Yeah, I dunno, but that's what she said. It kinda contradicts what Ben said last season about moving the island being very unpredictable and dangerous, etc.

But this may tie in with the question of whether it's the island that is moving or just the Losties on it. I think the flashes we are seeing this season are just the Losties moving in time, not the island, hence the noise bleeds. Basically, when Ben turned the wheel he moved the island but he also exposed everyone to the same kind of electromagnetism/radiation that Desmond experienced in The Constant.

Possibly but in the 1st episode this season didn't they something (with Farraday in the past with the DI) about being able to use that area of the island where "the wheel" is for time travel. Could be for the one person that turns it I guess, like Ben establishing the date when he moved it.

missingtime · 21-02-2009 02:28PM

BastardPrince wrote: »

flight 815?

Oops yea.

Were there people on that flight trying to get back to the Island?

PirateShampoo · 21-02-2009 03:52PM

Am i the only one who realized that Frank was The Lawnmower Man after he cleaned him self up?

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[US/IRL] 5X06 - "316" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]