[US/IRL] 5X06 - "316" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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Episode Title: "316"
Airdate: Feb 18th 2009

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

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The way back to the island is revealed to members of the Oceanic 6, but there's trouble ahead when not all of them wish to return

Next New Episode: 5X07 - Feb 25 - 2009

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Well nobody has bothered doing it so I may as well.
Wow, I really enjoyed this. Darlton wrote it so standard for them.
Absolutely fantastic start. I am really surprised everything got done in this episode. I thought they well would pull it out for a few episodes.
Seeing Jin at the and remember Daniel in the opening scene of the season makes me think that they are now stuck in time and that time is the late 70's, early 80's when the DI was in its pomp.

More thoughts later.

anotherlostie

Thought it was another goodie, but disappointed in a way that it was all off-island (well kind of!), but I suppose they had a lot to do to get them all to where they are.

Biggest shock of the episode? Well it has to be the scrubbed up Frank Lapidus, looked like a different man!

To me the biggest disappointment was not getting to know why Hurley changed his mind, and what happened to Sayid that he was being lead by a marshall onto the plane (and I think this marshall is Illana, one of the new characters, either proving that they have all crashed on the island, or that she replaces the original marshall in the scheme of things; presumably the Sayid look a like will be there too as he was in too many scenes to be just a background character). Question remains about whether Ben and Frank will be on island; if so let's hope smokie doesn't do for Frank like he did for the last pilot!

I enjoyed the Miss Hawking scenes, and thought FF toned it down a bit compared to last week. I wonder what will happen to Desmond, and Ben's injured state made me think has he attacked (and possibly killed) Penny, as he said he would. This would create a scenario whereby Desmond would want to return to the island to get his revenge...

Superb ending with Dharma worker Jin coming across the new arrivals, and I agree that they must be stuck in the 70's in the timeline we saw at the start of episode 1, so we may get to see the DeGroots and Hanso. Presumably the show will then turn into a 'how do we get back to the current day' conundrum. Of course next week's episode will probably not move on this story one iota, and then there's a week's hiatus til everyone is back together and the fun begins. And once again, damn you Iain Lee!!!

ShaneU

anotherlostie wrote: »

Biggest shock of the episode? Well it has to be the scrubbed up Frank Lapidus, looked like a different man!

I actually thought they had gone back in time or something when I saw him

anotherlostie wrote: »

Superb ending with Dharma worker Jin coming across the new arrivals, and I agree that they must be stuck in the 70's in the timeline we saw at the start of episode 1, so we may get to see the DeGroots and Hanso. Presumably the show will then turn into a 'how do we get back to the current day' conundrum. Of course next week's episode will probably not move on this story one iota, and then there's a week's hiatus til everyone is back together and the fun begins. And once again, damn you Iain Lee!!!

Yeah they must have gone back to the past, will that bring Locke back to life though?

anotherlostie

ShaneU wrote: »

Yeah they must have gone back to the past, will that bring Locke back to life though?

I think Locke will be reincarnated in the same way (it now seems given all the talk of it, and the name on the van being an anagram of reincarnation) that Christian Shepherd was when the first crash took place.

One other thing that struck me during the episode was how the bad guys that were after Hurley and co. in the first few episodes seemed to give up their chase without explanation.

Steoob

that was a joke episode right? right??

seriously what the **** was that? i mean it was entertaining but seriously.... what was that?

it was almost like every 5 minutes there was this big revelation and when someone was asked to explain it they just shrugged their shoulders and said 'nah' and the story carried on. and when did they all an actor-ectomy? and what the hell is up with jacks hair??? def the strangest television ive watched in a long while

Handsome Bob

anotherlostie wrote: »

Thought it was another goodie, but disappointed in a way that it was all off-island (well kind of!), but I suppose they had a lot to do to get them all to where they are.

Biggest shock of the episode? Well it has to be the scrubbed up Frank Lapidus, looked like a different man!

To me the biggest disappointment was not getting to know why Hurley changed his mind, and what happened to Sayid that he was being lead by a marshall onto the plane (and I think this marshall is Illana, one of the new characters, either proving that they have all crashed on the island, or that she replaces the original marshall in the scheme of things; presumably the Sayid look a like will be there too as he was in too many scenes to be just a background character). Question remains about whether Ben and Frank will be on island; if so let's hope smokie doesn't do for Frank like he did for the last pilot!

I enjoyed the Miss Hawking scenes, and thought FF toned it down a bit compared to last week. I wonder what will happen to Desmond, and Ben's injured state made me think has he attacked (and possibly killed) Penny, as he said he would. This would create a scenario whereby Desmond would want to return to the island to get his revenge...

Superb ending with Dharma worker Jin coming across the new arrivals, and I agree that they must be stuck in the 70's in the timeline we saw at the start of episode 1, so we may get to see the DeGroots and Hanso. Presumably the show will then turn into a 'how do we get back to the current day' conundrum. Of course next week's episode will probably not move on this story one iota, and then there's a week's hiatus til everyone is back together and the fun begins. And once again, damn you Iain Lee!!!

I don't think that they'll just leave both instances to our imagination; I'm sure that they'll explain both situations eventually.

Good episode, but I'm getting sick of handing out 7's.:pac:

Mr E

I thought it was a terrific episode.

The lamppost was very well designed (the huge swinging pendulum, the co-ordinates on the wall, the 70s Dharma equipment around the walls).

The proxy was very clever (Locke for Christian) - I hadn't thought of that. And I loved how other parts of the flight were copied - someone in custody, someone with a guitar case. I'm guessing Ben got beaten up by Sayid, but how he ended up on the flight was a mystery to me.

Some great lines too.... "We're not going to Guam, are we?", and "My mother taught me".

Really great stuff.

Handsome Bob

Oh and damn Linus for what I think may have been Penny's murder.:mad: Ah well, at least it looked like Des got an ass whooping in.

Daysha

I thought it was a pretty poor episode. It started off wonderfully in that lamppost station when it felt like we were really going to get answers in this episode, but then it went back to the same old Lost with possibly huge revelations and questions without bothering to even acknowledge them

Stuxnet

Jin ...dharma jumpsuit and van.....wtf
are they in the past ?

9 for me, loved it, is frank back on the island too, didnt see that coming, the airja airline bottle on the beach back a few episodes is starting to make sense now

CMpunked

Honestly do you think if Desmond had come across Ben going to kill Penny or whatever that Dessie would just give Ben a slap on the wrists?

Helix

well, theyve just gone and potentially destroyed the entire show in my eyes with that episode. itd wanna be a hell of a recovery next week to salvage it from the whole "lets make everything that happened since they got off the island completely irrelevant over the course of 40 minutes" angle

not impressed at all. up til now i always thought they were handling a somewhat questionably advisable direction pretty well, then bang. ruined

some quite embarrassing bits in this one too, almost like it was written by someone else. the lapida line was horrible both in idea and delivery, as was ms hawkings line to jack

Faith

I absolutely loved that episode. Thought it was fantastic. I'm a hell of a lot less critical than most of the people here, and don't enjoy picking at plotholes afterwards. I just enjoy the ride through the episode and I thought that was damn good. I really didn't want it to end, and I can't wait for next week!

I genuinely thought they got a different actor for Lapidus for a minute though!

Also Starring LeVar Burton

I thought it was awesome - don't know why people are being negative. We knew they had to get back soon, or the on-island characters would have started to drop like flies - because of the time-travel nose bleeds.
Obviously they'll explain why Sayid, Hurley and Kate all changed their minds in the coming episodes. Wonder if Desmond, Aaron or Ji Yeon will make it back to the island at any stage?

Sad Professor

The best thing about this episode was the humour. It was extremely funny in places and I enjoyed the weirdness. Obviously the mystery of how Sayid, Hurley, etc ended up on the plane will be filled in via flashbacks later in the season. However, as a conclusion to the O6-getting-back-to-the-island-arc it was extremely anti-climatic. Everything was a bit too easy.

Anyone else get the feeling that this whole O6-arc was ended earlier than planned?

After an entire season of the O6 getting off the island and several eps of them messing around in the real world, they suddenly all drop everything and get on a plane. Maybe the writers or ABC decided the off-island stuff wasn't working and so the O6 story got rushed to conclusion.

Helix

Sad Professor wrote: »

Anyone else get the feeling that this whole O6-arc was ended earlier than planned?

After an entire season of the O6 getting off the island and several eps of them messing around in the real world, they suddenly all drop everything and get on a plane. Maybe the writers or ABC decided the off-island stuff wasn't working and so the O6 story got rushed to conclusion.

exactly my thoughts

theyve really ballsed it up

Agamemnon

That was a bit ropey, but I enjoyed it. They better have a very good explanation for why all the O6 had to come back though. If the answer's just "results would be unexpected otherwise", then it's the world's clumsiest plot device.

It'll be good to have some new characters on the island, in the shape of the Flight 316 survivors.

Wonder what Sayid was arrested for? Way back in Season 2 (I think), we saw a glimpse of him on tv, seemingly captured by US soldiers. Was that ever explained or is he on the run from US authorities? But why would they bring him to Guam rather than Iraq?

Penny better not have been killed. Hopefully, Ben tried something but Des stopped him and beat him senseless first.

Sad Professor

Agamemnon wrote: »

Wonder what Sayid was arrested for? Way back in Season 2 (I think), we saw a glimpse of him on tv, seemingly captured by US soldiers.

Are you sure you're not thinking of last season? Ben saw him on a tv in Tunisia shortly after waking up in the desert. Sayid was returning to Iraq.

Agamemnon

Sad Professor wrote: »

Are you sure you're not thinking of last season? Ben saw him on a tv in Tunisia shortly after waking up in the desert. Sayid was returning to Iraq.

I'd forgotten about that, maybe that was it. But I think there was another similar scene in episode 209, "What Kate Did". Kate goes to see her stepfather in a U.S. Army recruiting station and Sayid was on the tv in the background. No mention of it in the wiki article though.

Sad Professor

Agamemnon wrote: »

I'd forgotten about that, maybe that was it. But I think there was another similar scene in episode 209, "What Kate Did". Kate goes to see her stepfather in a U.S. Army recruiting station and Sayid was on the tv in the background. No mention of it in the wiki article though.

Oh yeah, when Kate went to visit her father? I forgot all about that. I think that was from the the end of the Gulf War when Sayid is captured and made to work for the U.S. army. We saw that flashback in "One of Them", a few episodes after "What Kate Did".

Agamemnon

I'd forgotten about that as well, cheers. I really must sit down some weekend and watch all the previous seasons again.

Tristram

Best episode in a long while (not that that says much) and certainly worthy of a whopper 6/10.

Sherifu

Enjoyed the lines;

Jack - "What will happen to the rest of these people?"
Ben - "Who cares?"

Frank - "We're not going to Guam, are we?"

Steoob wrote: »

that was a joke episode right? right??

seriously what the **** was that? i mean it was entertaining but seriously.... what was that?

it was almost like every 5 minutes there was this big revelation and when someone was asked to explain it they just shrugged their shoulders and said 'nah' and the story carried on. and when did they all an actor-ectomy? and what the hell is up with jacks hair??? def the strangest television ive watched in a long while

Helix wrote: »

well, theyve just gone and potentially destroyed the entire show in my eyes with that episode. itd wanna be a hell of a recovery next week to salvage it from the whole "lets make everything that happened since they got off the island completely irrelevant over the course of 40 minutes" angle

not impressed at all. up til now i always thought they were handling a somewhat questionably advisable direction pretty well, then bang. ruined

some quite embarrassing bits in this one too, almost like it was written by someone else. the lapida line was horrible both in idea and delivery, as was ms hawkings line to jack

Have to partly agree with these points which is probably why I gave it a 5. I was bored through half of it.

Mr E wrote: »

I'm guessing Ben got beaten up by Sayid, but how he ended up on the flight was a mystery to me.

I was thinking the same but now that people mention Penny i'm not so sure.

mewso

I enjoyed that but it really is Lost Episode Creation 101 - make an episode where at least five characters seem to have done something or had something significant done to them but only hint at it. Instantly you have material for 5 more episodes.

Wreck

I did enjoy this episode, not quite up to the standard set by the first few episodes this season though. Thankfully didn't go to far down a religious route, although the faith thing is worrying me. Highlight of the episode for me was Jin in the Dharma truck, really made me lol for some reason. Will be interesting to see where Ben went before the flight, personally I think it probably has more to do with Widmore than Des or any of the losties.

Kiith

What happened to Aaron? How did Ben get injured? Is Penny dead? Why is Sayid under arrest? What happened to the plane? Jin works for Dharma? What changed Hurley's mind? What the ****?

To many god damn questions. Great episode though

Ciaran*

So they time traveled out of the plane, and that's why no one remembers a crash?

Carroller16

thought the episode was gonna be called ''the life and death of Jeremy Bentham''

cooker3

Sad Professor wrote: »

The best thing about this episode was the humour. It was extremely funny in places and I enjoyed the weirdness. Obviously the mystery of how Sayid, Hurley, etc ended up on the plane will be filled in via flashbacks later in the season. However, as a conclusion to the O6-getting-back-to-the-island-arc it was extremely anti-climatic. Everything was a bit too easy.

Anyone else get the feeling that this whole O6-arc was ended earlier than planned?

After an entire season of the O6 getting off the island and several eps of them messing around in the real world, they suddenly all drop everything and get on a plane. Maybe the writers or ABC decided the off-island stuff wasn't working and so the O6 story got rushed to conclusion.

I don't see how they can manage that. They had up until episode 11 in the can when the premier aired so no way they could have known about the criticism the off-island stuff was going to get.

So who attacked Ben and Kate? and where is Aaron.
Also was it my imagination or the timeline kinda screwed up. Jack goes from the church to the bar he then gets a phone call about his grandfather. He heads over and now it's daytime and grabs Christian shoes, he arrives home at night again to meet up with Kate. Did that represent a 24 hour period?

Neo#

I enjoyed the episode but I think the whole setting up the flight as it was originally was just ridiculous, even for lost. And Jack putting his father's shoes on Locke!:D Come on!

Sad Professor

cooker3 wrote: »

I don't see how they can manage that. They had up until episode 11 in the can when the premier aired so no way they could have known about the criticism the off-island stuff was going to get.

No, but they were watching the early cuts, as were ABC. The writers have spoken in the interviews of the challenge of trying to anticipate fan feedback this season. It would have been pretty obvious to everyone that the O6 stuff wasn't working. This episode was originally supposed to be 5x07 but they switched them. It's been suggested that ABC was behind this decision as they wanted to get the O6 back sooner.

I reckon the O6 arc was probably originally intended to last another few episodes. But ABC was getting confused and put pressure on them to wrap it up quickly.

Stuxnet

funny how the same ol' moaners moan every week, yet they still "tune in" every thursday morning to watch before rte/sky show ! :pac:

Mellor

Sad Professor wrote: »

Anyone else get the feeling that this whole O6-arc was ended earlier than planned?

After an entire season of the O6 getting off the island and several eps of them messing around in the real world, they suddenly all drop everything and get on a plane. Maybe the writers or ABC decided the off-island stuff wasn't working and so the O6 story got rushed to conclusion.

Think you've missed something SP, you've mention alot lately that the show has shifted away from character driven flashbacks. And the on/off island is not as good. I'm expecting the next few episodes to be flashback driven, starting with Locke, then hurley, Sayid, Kate

Sad Professor wrote: »

Oh yeah, when Kate went to visit her father? I forgot all about that. I think that was from the the end of the Gulf War when Sayid is captured and made to work for the U.S. army. We saw that flashback in "One of Them", a few episodes after "What Kate Did".

Just for completeness, the guy Sayid was working for was Kelvin from the Hatch

cooker3 wrote: »

Also was it my imagination or the timeline kinda screwed up. Jack goes from the church to the bar he then gets a phone call about his grandfather. He heads over and now it's daytime and grabs Christian shoes, he arrives home at night again to meet up with Kate. Did that represent a 24 hour period?

I think either the bar scene was during the day (day after the church) or he only went to his grand father the following morning, it may not be all that close. Kate in the bed was 24 hours after the church (flight being 36 hours)



Good episode, I like all the proxies on the flight,
Guitar=Charlie
US Marshel
Hurley reading a comic = Walt
Frank was intended to be the original pilot etc


Who was that extra guy in first class?? The guy who accross from Hugo (also spoke to Jack at check-in)

Psychedelic

that episode was lethal. the jin bit at the end was brilliant, a classic lost moment. i enjoyed the return of the jack/science vs locke/fate theme. by the way, that was a very character driven episode actually - jack's struggle believing the insane premise of getting back to the island with his father's shoes on dead locke's feet. i think think was a huge episode, the way it linked back so much to the very first episode.....gonna watch this again later tonight.

why did locke need to have something belonging to christian? does that have something to do with locke's resurrection? did christian come back to life on the island coz he was was wearing sneakers, that may have belonged to someone important?

why did their crash have to be set up as similar as possible to the original one? if someone knows how to get to the island, then surely the original flight was known by people that it would crash on the island and they arranged for the losties to be on the plane? best example was claire, someone told her to get on the plane. or was it just pure coincidence coz i thought they only crashed when des was late pushing the button.

Mellor wrote: »

Who was that extra guy in first class?? The guy
who accross from Hugo (also spoke to Jack at check-in)

this guy? i think he was in a sayid flashback. i definitely recognise him being on the show before.

Psychedelic

oh yeah, another thing: "the island is always moving" said ms hawking, and jin in the dharma suit at the end which implies that the time is in the 70's or 80's.

does this imply that when the losties originally crashed on the island, that the island time wasn't 2004, but maybe some time in the past or future?

tok9

Does anyone else think that ben might have injured himself to resemble locke to an extent??

The new guy could be a new sawyer! Was there anyone else in the front section of the plane??

Creamy Goodness

good episode,

no one mentioned that the guitar case is charlie's so that's another thing that's similar.

the humour was great too.

"who are these people?" - echos mike's last line before leaving the island with walt

lockes suicide note was brilliant too.

Psychedelic

tok9 wrote: »

Does anyone else think that ben might have injured himself to resemble locke to an extent??

na, i'd say sayid kicked the **** out of him. he'd need to break his legs to resemble locke, but maybe you're right, he busted his arm was near enough - not everything else was perfect, there was a lot less passengers on this plane.

tok9 wrote: »

The new guy could be a new sawyer! Was there anyone else in the front section of the plane??

probably just another 2 or 3 co-pilots and stewardesses.

Sad Professor

Mellor wrote: »

Think you've missed something SP, you've mention alot lately that the show has shifted away from character driven flashbacks. And the on/off island is not as good. I'm expecting the next few episodes to be flashback driven, starting with Locke, then hurley, Sayid, Kate

Oh yeah I think so too, which is why I'm really happy that they are back. There's quite a bit of potential flashback material built up for the O6.

Jack: The story of how he became Junkie-Jack and his realisation that he had to "go back". There's a big gap between his breakup with Kate and the first flash-forward. A flashback could cover his off-island meeting with Locke and possible visit from Christian.

Kate: Her whole relationship with Aaron and what happened to him.

Sayid: Nadia's death and how he came to be on the plane.

Hurley: How he got out of prison; maybe more on his seeing dead people.

I dunno, maybe the writers always planned to get them back quick and use flashbacks to fill in the rest. It just sort of begs the question why they didn't just start the season with Jack waking up in the jungle and used flashbacks to fill in everything. Narratively it would have been a lot smoother.

Psychedelic wrote:

i enjoyed the return of the jack/science vs locke/fate theme.

Yeah I really liked this as well. Jack's new found fate was evident in the season 3 flashforward but it's really starting to come full circle now. What greater act of fate then for Jack to bring Locke's body back to the island so he can be resurrected. I think the writers have handled this very well. It's a great resolution to the Jack/Locke conflict that's been at the heart of the show since the start.

Psychedelic

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

no one mentioned that the guitar case is charlie's so that's another thing that's similar.

mellor mentioned it ^^^

Good episode, I like all the proxies on the flight,
Guitar=Charlie
US Marshel
Hurley reading a comic = Walt
Frank was intended to be the original pilot etc

I dunno, maybe the writers always planned to get them back quick and use flashbacks to fill in the rest. It just sort of begs the question why they didn't just start the season with Jack waking up in the jungle and used flashbacks to fill in everything. Narratively it would have been a lot smoother.

well the writers did say a few podcasts ago something like "we know the fans would hate us if we spent all season getting them back to the island" so it sounds like they had it planned to bring them back early, although i do think they brought them back a little earlier than originally intended.

not sure about starting the season with jack waking up, hard to say if it would have worked better...maybe when re-watching on DVD watch this episode first then the first 5 episodes, see how it plays....

pkumohideeile

The way they get back to the island is lame. Perhaps it's not so bad they had to use a plane but the way Hawking told them to recreate the things from the first flight just smells of BS.

And who is this "very clever man" who wrote all the equations? Is it Widmore? Is Widmore Daniel Farradays father?

They seemed to pose an awful lot of questions this episode rather than answering stuff. I still gave it a 7 cause it was good but a bit on the cutting corners side. I'm all in for this show til the bitter end but this ep was a bit shakey. And i'm starting to get sick of this 'need to know basis' since the 1st or 2nd series. "You're not ready" and all that bull****. They need to give us some bloody answers this season and end the final season with a full on war. I honestly believe they'll end lost with a return of the jedi scene - Christian Shepard, Locke, Libby etc all hanging out with yoda, hayden christianson, marty mcfly.

Did anyone see the picture of the island with the date from 1953 in the statino? I wish it was more interesting.

Oh and what about at the end of an earlier ep where Hawking says "god help us all" if they can't get them all back. And now it's like 'sure feck it we'll see what happens'. That crap and the holey solution to getting back to the island make me not take them serious.

Loving this series!

cooker3

Sad Professor wrote: »

Yeah I really liked this as well. Jack's new found fate was evident in the season 3 flashforward but it's really starting to come full circle now. What greater act of fate then for Jack to bring Locke's body back to the island so he can be resurrected. I think the writers have handled this very well. It's a great resolution to the Jack/Locke conflict that's been at the heart of the show since the start.

I agree. I loved when Jack was talking to him and saying "I hope you are happy now as this is crazier then you ever were"
Go Team Locke!

The dialogue in this episode was top quality.

pkumohideeile

Sad Professor wrote: »

It just sort of begs the question why they didn't just start the season with Jack waking up in the jungle and used flashbacks to fill in everything. Narratively it would have been a lot smoother.

Yes that would have being a great way to begin the series but i think we really needed them to spend some time off the island since we've being with them trapped on the island for 4 seasons.

Does anyone see any connection between Joyces Ulysses and lost?

lynchpin

Good episode but -

1) I thought Walt might have made an appearance on the plane. any thoughts?
2) Am I the only one who thinks that Des and Penny might be dead and in coffins along with Locke's coffin?

Psychedelic

pkumohideeile wrote: »

They need to give us some bloody answers this season and end the final season with a full on war.

i thought we've been getting loads of answers this season?

pkumohideeile wrote: »

Did anyone see the picture of the island with the date from 1953 in the statino? I wish it was more interesting.

I loved when Jack was talking to him and saying "I hope you are happy now as this is crazier then you ever were"

one of the episode's highlights for me. it's amazing, locke didn't say a line in the whole episode but we still got that whole jack/locke conflict going on. i'll put that line up there as one my top favourites of the show.

ixoy

Kate: "Don't ever ask me what happened to Aaron"

...then later Ben appears covered in blood - must be linked


It was enjoyable at the beginning and end, if a bit slow in the middle. I did love the meta joke almost where they pointedly remarked how ridiculous it all was and not to bother pointing it out.

Seriously though, I thought there was a rational basis for all the stuff? How does someone wearing someone's shoes make any sort of sense? And I'm surprised nobody worried about all the other passengers who would potentially have their lives destroyed (although almost made up for by Ben's classic "Who cares!" response).

Show is bonkers now and I don't believe it will really make a proper lick of sense in the end, but I'm still really enjoying it so I guess it doesn't matter too much anymore!

Mellor

pkumohideeile wrote: »

And who is this "very clever man" who wrote all the equations? Is it Widmore? Is Widmore Daniel Farradays father?

My guess is Chang
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Chang

Oh and what about at the end of an earlier ep where Hawking says "god help us all" if they can't get them all back. And now it's like 'sure feck it we'll see what happens'. That crap and the holey solution to getting back to the island make me not take them serious.

They got them all didn't they?
And, my guess is that once we see how Kate, Sayid, Hurley were persueded, we might see some more urgency from the Ben/Hawking side.

pkumohideeile wrote: »

Does anyone see any connection between Joyces Ulysses and lost?

Any paticular why you pick Ulysees? (apart from Ben reading it on the flight)

Psychedelic

Mellor wrote: »

Any paticular why you pick Ulysees? (apart from Ben reading it on the flight)

i was just reading on another site that the last chapter of ulysses is called "penelope". i only read half that book but i can't think of any other possible links it might have with Lost.

Sad Professor

Ulysees... ugh, my head hurts just thinking about it. I seriously doubt the Lost writers have even read it. They probably just threw it in there for a laugh.

ixoy wrote: »

Show is bonkers now and I don't believe it will really make a proper lick of sense in the end, but I'm still really enjoying it so I guess it doesn't matter too much anymore!

Yeah, that pretty much sums up how I feel now. And maybe the show was always bonkers and we were all deluded to think otherwise? I've heard Damon say more than once that in the beginning he never thought the show would last longer than 12 eps and just wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. And to his credit, the show has never stopped being crazy. If your gonna jump the shark, jump it big, I guess.

Whatever happens in the end, whether it makes sense or not, it's been a great ride.

pkumohideeile

I wish there was more to this picture, but nice to see them throw something in.

Where is Desmond? Does he not count as one of the people that should go back or "god help us all"?

It would be nice if there was some Ulysses connection since we're Irish here but if not it could be just to give Ben some credit for being a reader. I don't know really.

pkumohideeile

Sad Professor wrote: »

Yeah, that pretty much sums up how I feel now. And maybe the show was always bonkers and we were all deluded to think otherwise? I've heard Damon say more than once that in the beginning he never thought the show would last longer than 12 eps and just wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. And to his credit, the show has never stopped being crazy. If your gonna jump the shark, jump it big, I guess.

Whatever happens in the end, whether it makes sense or not, it's been a great ride.

Does anyone reckon we should lower our standards and just enjoy the ride out? I'm thinking so.