Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

Ruskie4Rent · 08-02-2009 01:26PM

redout wrote: »

Whats the implications of Rafa being sacked come the end of the season. Does anyone believe the Spanish exodus will occur if he leaves and will Pool be able to replace Reina, Arbeloa, Riera, Alonso, Torres. My feeling is that the only one who will certainly leave would be Torres and maybe Alonso. I dont see a complete exodus but do believe some will seriously consider it if it happens. I believe if Pool win nothing this season then its time for a change regardless of peoples feeling for Rafa as it will have been 3 seasons without any silverware. That is getting ridiculous for Pool considering how they have got use to winning again since the turn of the century. Arsenal also but I would judge Wengers job to be far safer than Rafas.

If i was a liverpool fan i wouldn't be too worried about torres leaving. He seems to enjoy playing there and he would at least wait and see what the incoming manager would be like.
I'd be more worried if a new manager would come in and not be clued in on all the young players that rafa has brought in. As far as i know, he has brought alot of young talent to the club and where he see's potential, the new guy might not.

Chucky the tree · 08-02-2009 01:32PM

Question for other Liverpool fans: Do people think Jose Reina is or top class keeper or fortunate to be playing behind an excellent defense?

Chardee MacDennis · 08-02-2009 01:33PM

Top Class Keeper!!

Melion · 08-02-2009 01:42PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Question for other Liverpool fans: Do people think Jose Reina is or top class keeper or fortunate to be playing behind an excellent defense?

An absolutely quality keeper, in the top 5 in the world. Probably top 3

mayordenis · 08-02-2009 01:42PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Question for other Liverpool fans: Do people think Jose Reina is or top class keeper or fortunate to be playing behind an excellent defense?

after casillas and maybe buffon there's non better for me I think he's the best in the PL

Tusky · 08-02-2009 01:46PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Question for other Liverpool fans: Do people think Jose Reina is or top class keeper or fortunate to be playing behind an excellent defense?

I think hes a top class keeper. However, similar to Rafa, he is over-rated by Liverpool fans and underrated by everyone else. The truth is somewhere in between.

BUT - he is still very young. He has the potential to be the best around one day.

PHB · 08-02-2009 01:50PM

Tusky wrote: »

BUT - he is still very young. He has the potential to be the best around one day.

That's bang on the money. His decision makign at time is still problematic, but he's only going to get better.

redout · 08-02-2009 02:01PM

malice_ wrote: »

Just so I have this correct: If, hypothetically speaking, Liverpool get knocked out of the Champions League by Real Madrid and finish second to Man Utd in the Premier League by let's say four points, you'd want him sacked?

Well I personally dont care but I think he should be because his odd decisions will not have payed off and he could end up in the situation were he will be heavily criticised come the end of the season if nothing is won.

Melion wrote: »

Why would Torres "certainly" leave?

I bet when Mourinho leaves Chelsea that Drogba, Lampard, Essien and loads more will follow him. Oh wait!!

He came to win trophies and the big Spanish connection most certainly sweetened the deal for him. In fact I have even seen him on an interview saying the big Spanish contingent made it so much easier for him. He can easily move to any club of his choice so yes I could see him leaving if Benitez was to leave.

zing · 08-02-2009 02:04PM

redout wrote: »

Whats the implications of Rafa being sacked come the end of the season. Does anyone believe the Spanish exodus will occur if he leaves and will Pool be able to replace Reina, Arbeloa, Riera, Alonso, Torres. My feeling is that the only one who will certainly leave would be Torres and maybe Alonso. I dont see a complete exodus but do believe some will seriously consider it if it happens. I believe if Pool win nothing this season then its time for a change regardless of peoples feeling for Rafa as it will have been 3 seasons without any silverware. That is getting ridiculous for Pool considering how they have got use to winning again since the turn of the century. Arsenal also but I would judge Wengers job to be far safer than Rafas.

There's another issue that'll affect whether or not he's around after the summer which may over rule how our season finishes. From all accounts the club is broke and couldn't afford to bring in another manager of that level and have to go through squad rebuilding all over again. Fair enough there's a good base there now for anyone to build on but every manager will want to overhaul to some degree and bring in the players they want. I honestly don't believe Liverpool could afford that as they are right now.

~Rebel~ · 08-02-2009 02:14PM

redout wrote: »

Well I personally dont care but I think he should be because his odd decisions will not have payed off and he could end up in the situation were he will be heavily criticised come the end of the season if nothing is won.

i dunno, if a manager finishes in second and near enough on points its very difficult to lay into his odd decisions. For example yesterday one would have looked at Aurelio in midfield and thought that the oddest decision of the lot, but he ended up being one of our best players, and probably our best starter.

And for the strikeforce, i heard the lads last night on the premiership seemingly boggled by Babel and NGog playing saying how Pompy were on such a poor run a 1st team would have wiped them away - but if you cant give the next generation a run out for 60mins against the likes of those, who can you play them against?! Babel disappointed me a lot yesterday, but NGog didn't. He's come on a long way from just a few months ago where he couldnt hold off players. Yesterday he was up against 2 CB's on his own at most times (Babel seemed to just stay around the midfield line) and still managed to hold them off and take a touch. He didn't have someone like Torres ability to then beat them (though he did manage one lovely roll to get a shot away at one point), but thats progress. He's 19 like.

bUILDERtHEbOB · 08-02-2009 02:19PM

Finishing second would be a good season regardless of how far off we are from the top IMO.

I think a good run in the Champions League is probably just as important as challenging for the title though, given the financial benefits.

Malice · 08-02-2009 02:29PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Question for other Liverpool fans: Do people think Jose Reina is or top class keeper or fortunate to be playing behind an excellent defense?

He is without doubt a top class goalkeeper and can normally be depended upon if an attack gets past the top class defence in front of him. It's not that long ago that most Liverpool fans used to cringe every time a corner or a cross came into the box because they were very effective weapons and seemed to result it a lot of goals.

redout wrote: »

Well I personally dont care but I think he should be because his odd decisions will not have payed off and he could end up in the situation were he will be heavily criticised come the end of the season if nothing is won.

Well you care enough to form an opinion and then offer that opinion on a message board don't you? In terms of not paying off I think if you offered any Liverpool fan a table-topping position on Feb 7th 2009 at the start of the season they would have bitten your hand off. A lot of people seem to believe that this is in spite of the manager not because of him. A lot of people also seem to believe that if Liverpool do well it's down to the players but if Liverpool do badly it's down to the manager. That's not particularly fair now is it?

If Rafa was to go who do you think would be a suitable replacement? The unproven Klinsmann? The happy in Italy Mourinho? The Hiddink who wouldn't manage Chelsea despite Abramovich's promised millions?

mike65 · 08-02-2009 02:32PM

Sammy Lee of course. Its all conjecture and will be for months yet. So many things could happen and most probably won't.

Nalz · 08-02-2009 02:34PM

Weak team and an average performance yesterday from the Pool, but well done has got to be said for coming back like that. Torres, whos nowhere near 100% yet, is some footballer.

Gonna be a good race lads...

Headshot · 08-02-2009 02:36PM

going to be very interesting to see will torres be playing against England

Rafa would not be too happy

mike65 · 08-02-2009 02:43PM

Rafa and Vicente del Bosque know each other since Real Madrid days together. I imagine he'll go easy on Torres and maybe a few other Reds.

On the other hand....http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2009/02/08/spain-v-england-fernando-torres-wants-to-score-hat-trick-against-john-terry-115875-21106727/

PHB · 08-02-2009 02:46PM

I would have thought plying Torres would be a good thing. Allow him to regain his match fitness. If he thinks its risk, I doubt he would have played him against Portsmouth.

PiE · 08-02-2009 02:55PM

No. Starting Torres 3 days after an FA Cup tie against Everton in which he played over 90mins would not have been a good thing, in any possible way.

He wouldn't have played AT ALL yesterday if we'd been a goal to the good.

Mr Alan · 08-02-2009 02:58PM

dont particularly like the idea of Rio Ferdinand being allowed to rough Torres up & and i really think he is capable of an intentional dirty tackle to hurt him

redout · 08-02-2009 03:03PM

malice_ wrote: »

Well you care enough to form an opinion and then offer that opinion on a message board don't you? In terms of not paying off I think if you offered any Liverpool fan a table-topping position on Feb 7th 2009 at the start of the season they would have bitten your hand off. A lot of people seem to believe that this is in spite of the manager not because of him. A lot of people also seem to believe that if Liverpool do well it's down to the players but if Liverpool do badly it's down to the manager. That's not particularly fair now is it?

If Rafa was to go who do you think would be a suitable replacement? The unproven Klinsmann? The happy in Italy Mourinho? The Hiddink who wouldn't manage Chelsea despite Abramovich's promised millions?

Of course I have an opinion. It is a message board is it not ? There are certainly good managaers available at present. Rijkaard and Mancini are two that pop to mind straight away. His odd decisions have as much to do with Pool being 2nd as luck and other teams not performing. Rafa's odd decisions wont be the main reason Pool finish second if its a thing that they do. What if he did not make his odd decisions well then it could be argued that Pool could be top with a comfortable buffer in place could it not ?

Headshot · 08-02-2009 03:05PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

dont particularly like the idea of Rio Ferdinand being allowed to rough Torres up & and i really think he is capable of an intentional dirty tackle to hurt him

Alan wtf

Rio isnt that type of player,he's not a dirty player at all

coco06 · 08-02-2009 03:08PM

PiE wrote: »

No. Starting Torres 3 days after an FA Cup tie against Everton in which he played over 90mins would not have been a good thing, in any possible way.

He wouldn't have played AT ALL yesterday if we'd been a goal to the good.

Reading this today (http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_4905277,00.html ) he is not used to playing so many games. Hopefully we can start to spare him a bit more and save him for what might be a tight run in (fingers crosses!)

VinylJunkie · 08-02-2009 03:13PM

redout wrote: »

Of course I have an opinion. It is a message board is it not ? There are certainly good managaers available at present. Rijkaard and Mancini are two that pop to mind straight away. His odd decisions have as much to do with Pool being 2nd as luck and other teams not performing. Rafa's odd decisions wont be the main reason Pool finish second if its a thing that they do. What if he did not make his odd decisions well then it could be argued that Pool could be top with a comfortable buffer in place could it not ?

This is our best chance at a title in years its time for the fans to get behind the team and manager to try an win the league.Leave the manager discussion till the league is over. Im as annoyed with all are draws as the next liverpool fan but that is behind us now.

+We beat United at OT an we are Laughing.

Remember Cl final in 05 anything is possible with heart and passion which is something we don't lack.

Come on the Pool

PiE · 08-02-2009 03:15PM

redout wrote: »

There are certainly good managaers available at present. Rijkaard and Mancini are two that pop to mind straight away.

Seriously? lol, just lol.

coco06 · 08-02-2009 03:19PM

PiE wrote: »

Seriously? lol, just lol.

Ye i would be really dissapointed if one of these were the manager. Who would be better than Rafa that is available? Hard to think of many tbh.

Mr Alan · 08-02-2009 03:27PM

Headshot wrote: »

Alan wtf

Rio isnt that type of player,he's not a dirty player at all

Was it not Rio kicking lumps out of Nando at Old Trafford that wound up Tommy Mascherano last season?

I've no problem with the rough treatment he gets there when playing for Liverpool, just don't like the idea of of Rio dishing it out in a friendly match when Torres ain't fully fit & is trying to regain match fitness.

Malice · 08-02-2009 03:27PM

redout wrote: »

Of course I have an opinion. It is a message board is it not ?

Nobody's debating whether you have an opinion or whether this is a messageboard or not. What I posted was that you said you didn't care but then went and formed an opinion and debated it which to me implies that you do care...

redout wrote:

There are certainly good managaers available at present. Rijkaard and Mancini are two that pop to mind straight away.

So that would be Frank Rijkaard who got Sparta Rotterdam relegated and was sacked from Barcelona after finishing 3rd in 2007/2008? From what I saw of Barcelona under him they could be awesome going forward but when put up against teams built around a strong defensive spine they quickly showed that they didn't really have alternative options and were often then undone by defensive lapses. Their Champions League exit to Liverpool is a perfect case in point.

As for Mancini, I know even less about him. Inter were pretter poor when Liverpool knocked them out of the Champions League last season though.

redout wrote:

His odd decisions have as much to do with Pool being 2nd as luck and other teams not performing.

It's an old saying in football that you make your own luck. Specifically referring to yesterday's game you could argue that the Portsmouth defence was crap but then Liverpool still had to put the ball in the net!

redout wrote:

Rafa's odd decisions wont be the main reason Pool finish second if its a thing that they do. What if he did not make his odd decisions well then it could be argued that Pool could be top with a comfortable buffer in place could it not ?

Why do you have to refer to them negatively using the word "odd"? Again to refer to yesterday's game in a non-negative way: Couldn't it be argued that it was a sensible tactical ploy to try to utilise Aurelio's range of passing in a more central role or that it made sense to play just 3 defenders under the assumption that Liverpool would have most of the posession? You can be certain that Tony Adams wasn't expecting to see Torres, Kuyt and Reira on the bench.

MementoMori · 08-02-2009 03:28PM

On a unrelated tangenital possibly pointless note a funny thing happened as I was standing in a crowded public hostelry which was showing extended highlights of the Liverpool game last night. As Torres scored the winner I went "oh you absolute beauty" just as a young lady who was walking in passed right in front of me. Anyway she turned her head and stopped with a startled look in her eyes thinking I was referring to her. I had to explain that in this case while she too was an absolute beauty I wasn't actually referring to her. Sadly that was as far as it went as her boyfriend had turned around to see where she was

colly10 · 08-02-2009 04:09PM

VinylJunkie wrote: »

+We beat United at OT an we are Laughing.

Thats if it's all not just thrown away in the next game, in a match where we were missing Gerrard, we rested Kuyt, Alonso, Torres and Riera leaving 2 defenders in midfield.
If you want to rest players then start with your strongest side, go 2 goals up then make subs.
The man is a clown imo, his decisions are getting more and more bizarre and he's too stubborn to learn from it. Im beyond sick of him at this stage, I feel we are in a great position despite what he does and I just hope he doesn't manage to **** it up for us

SantryRed · 08-02-2009 04:13PM

They won yesterday so technically his decisions were justified.

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