GJP - European Deepstack Poker Championships - Updates!

AKQJ10 · 07-02-2009 02:35AM

BHW wrote: »

gl to dermot, yea shove was bad, so bad

I meant the guy literaally said to him he'd the nuts and didnt wanna gamble, normal enough i suppose

DeVore · 07-02-2009 02:37AM

I some how knew this hand was going to make the forum

I was murdering a cash table by running better then God when I heard about this. The folder seemed very happy with himself, though I must admit I was thinking... hmmm, I dont think I can be crowbarred off middle set myself.

I think we had this before with Flushdraw in some legendary thread no? (ie; the argument of how much weight to give reads). Not that I want to go back to it.

As for playing LAG... I dunno. But I've come to love railing this tournie in just two years (not even!) because of the sheer bewilderment on some peoples faces as they try and work out what to do with 50k in chips.
This isnt a tournie for LAG players, its a tournie for people who can play turns and rivers

DeV.

kizzixx · 07-02-2009 02:42AM

Could i have a chip count please on Phil Starrs, or is he out?
Thanks

BHW · 07-02-2009 02:44AM

DeVore wrote: »

I some how new this hand was going to make the forum

I was murdering a cash table by running better then God when I heard about this. The folder seemed very happy with himself, though I must admit I was thinking... hmmm, I dont think I can be crowbarred off middle set myself.

I think we had this before with Flushdraw in some legendary thread no? (ie; the argument of how much weight to give reads). Not that I want to go back to it.

As for playing LAG... I dunno. But I've come to love railing this tournie in just two years (not even!) because of the sheer bewilderment on some peoples faces as they try and work out what to do with 50k in chips.
This isnt a tournie for LAG players, its a tournie for people who can play turns and rivers

DeV.

yea that was me sitting beside you(how u finish?), it was an interesting hand, that what the tourney about i suppose

Lazare · 07-02-2009 02:47AM

dannydiamond wrote: »

This is one of the most idiotic statements i've read on this forum for a long time,and that is quite an achievement.

Why?

Lazare · 07-02-2009 02:50AM

Fwiw, I think Albert's a superb player and all that seems to make sense to me is what Marc said above, ie the guy literally told him he had the nuts.

pgodkin · 07-02-2009 02:54AM

DeVore wrote: »

I think we had this before with Flushdraw in some legendary thread no? (ie; the argument of how much weight to give reads). Not that I want to go back to it.

linky?????

DAMO72 · 07-02-2009 03:08AM

I played a couple of cash tables with Albert thursday nite and i think he is a brilliant player , he makes some great moves and reads and laydowns all the time . Good luck to ya Albert , if you do take it down it would be well deserved.

dannydiamond · 07-02-2009 03:24AM

Lazare wrote: »

Why?

I was perhaps a tad harsh,and my apoligies to ITT-pat.

What I mean is that it's a very Vicki Corenesque type of comment.
While folding middle set would in most situations probably be the wrong choice,in this instance it was clearly the right one and a very good play at that.

This tournie allows for such a laydown,which admittedly most of us wouldn't make,but how many hands push in 40k chips after a check re-raise(?) into him?

If this was a bad fold,and a call was preferrable to anyone who thinks it is, then enjoy your pint because your out of the tournament.
I presume Pat was insinuating that the qualititive nature of the situation would have him call,presuming one can't go on to win the tournament folding in such spots,but this is only a presumption of course.
In every sense,including the obvious,this was clearly a good fold,but the situation obviously warranted it and while I can understand someone thinking it was a bad play,I find it ludicrous to read such a comment given the information made available to us.

But all things considered I am probably talking out of my arse;)

corkie123 · 07-02-2009 03:47AM

how anyone can say that it was a bad lay down is beyond me.
a lay down i don't think i could make .
but have on occasions not many mind u .
but this type tourie u can make these laydowns at the early stages and still be in with a chance . he only lost 20% of his stack so still had plenty time to get it back . u cant win these touries on the first day .

kenttheking · 07-02-2009 03:51AM

go to bed danny:D

BigCityBanker · 07-02-2009 04:06AM

ITT-Pat wrote: »

QQ, KK, AA, 44, JT. fk it maybe even KQ/AK/AQ. he only needed ~33% equity to make it a correct call

not that i'm saying pushing most of those hands is standard/good play

apparently the guy with JJ stopped short of turning his hand over and showing him the JJ. it seemed like he was afraid that albert was flushing and he wanted him out of the pot.

akkenny · 07-02-2009 04:12AM

i guess i should clarify a few things, first of all pat how can you put up a range of hands that he could have when you have no idea what kind of player he was, he was playing very tight and my first instinct on the hand was to call, but after working out imo that he was only pushin there with three hands, j10, 55 and jj, and after talking to him for a few minutes about the hand he made a statement saying "i know im ahead at the moment but what comes on the turn and river may change things", i said "so you have top set then" and he replied "i have the nuts at the moment" and i belived him so i folded, to be honest if he kept quiet i was calling.

akkenny · 07-02-2009 04:19AM

oh and im out btw, lol, blinds were 400 800 with two limpers from early position te button shipped for 14 to 15k i think his range was pretty big here and i called with ace queen on the bb or sorry shipped all in actually for 30k roughly he had ace j and he spiked the flop, went out last level 30 minutes left, was short on chips, thought my overall play was pretty good, a couple of hands would have helped but was card dead all day.

doke · 07-02-2009 04:27AM

Great fold Albert: from the speechplay the guy basically told you his hand.

Very weird day for me. More or less gifted a double up first hand (a guy managed to stack off on a KQ96 board for 1000 BBs with KQ), after which absolutely nothing went right and I just decayed back to 39900.

Flipper made an amazing fold which I'm sure he'll be along to tell us all about at some point.

akkenny · 07-02-2009 04:35AM

cheers doke and just cause the guy says he had the nuts or top set doesnt mean he does always have it, in that case ill remember that speech play the next time i ship with a bag of sh**, but i was pretty confident he had it.ha

YULETIRED · 07-02-2009 04:43AM

it amazes me how when someone makes a good fold , people try to redicule the play. FFS

I guess folding to oversets upsets the poker gods, I'm gone also but should have been gone much earlier due to some rigged flops.

AKJ holding AK agiant JJ

77 on a K, 8, 7 flop, agianst KK

10s in agiant j2 doneycall, rivers his flush (rubbish player):mad:

I made one horrendous call earlier, but generally happy with how I played,

10 hours of frustration, not one pair above 10s preflop in that time

YULETIRED · 07-02-2009 04:59AM

doke wrote: »

Flipper made an amazing fold which I'm sure he'll be along to tell us all about at some point.

AA Preflop ?:)

nicnicnic · 07-02-2009 05:06AM

doke wrote: »

Flipper made an amazing fold which I'm sure he'll be along to tell us all about at some point.

yeah I thought that was an amazing fold when Flipper told me about the hand just there. I'm probably thinking a different type of amazing, I had to ask him to repeat what he said a few times until it sunk in that he folded in that spot.

Shortstack · 07-02-2009 05:23AM

End Of Day Chip Counts:

ID Player End of Day
304 Vannak Tok 272300
402 Jon Kalmar 248800
801 Guy Johnson 242300
1,709 Francis Jeannin 182800
602 Dermot Blain 172100
209 James McManus 171200
502 Thiery Goue 168200
1,301 Willie Russell 161700
1,303 Kevin Fitzpatrick 151500
1,008 Ciaran Walsh 150000
1,007 Scott Gray 149600
1,607 Gary Clarke 146800
1,407 Jay Renehan 141500
1,507 Chris Dowling 138000
503 Sean Gregory 135700
1,307 Brian Nolan 135300
1,005 Jason Tompkins 133200
605 John Eames 131100
109 David Stokes 129400
1,605 Peter Dragar 123600
1,502 Olivier Jouve 120100
1,702 Stuart Rutter 113200
307 Alexander Besse 108200
1,306 Olivier Daenincks 103700
308 David Glynn 99100
905 Thomas Middleton 95600
1,106 Antoine Saout 95400
906 Frank Callaghan 95000
104 Ciaran Burke 94100
505 Troy Prendergast 92800
709 Mick McCool 92800
1,203 Antoine Rousseau 89600
804 Stephen Ferrissey 89400
1,704 Jerome Isler 87900
1,207 Julien Legros 87600
1,701 Paul Jackson 84700
406 Yoann Van Daele 84500
807 Fabrice Vreux 84000
1,208 Vinnie McEroy 83700
1,604 Pat Jackson 83400
1102 Benjamin Gallen 78900
908 Lorcan Fox 77800
101 Sean Kilroy 73900
1,103 Brian Palmer 73500
609 Manuel Bevand 71900
1,201 Sebastian Decamps 71400
1,609 Gerlando Cacciatore 70300
206 Mathieu Jaunay 69700
504 Daniel Pauly 66700
407 Alan Kelleher 64600
704 Tristan Clemencon 63700
202 Francis McCormack 62200
1,204 Surinder Sunar 61900
401 Jean-Phillippe Rodrigues 60800
203 David Gallagher 60000
808 Nicky Power 59400
607 William Martin 56400
806 Steve Basri 56400
1601 Chris Cooke 56400
1,109 Paul Smallwood 54500
703 Michael Greco 50900
107 Ken O'Mahony 50200
802 Laurent LeFranco 48100
1,503 Aurelien Guiglini 48000
707 Keir Ratcliff 46400
1,001 Padraig Parkinson 45000
405 Hubert Attali 44800
1,206 Rumain Carca 44700
702 Rob Taylor 44100
1,509 Donal Norton 43000
901 Martin Silke 41900
1,501 Rein Zijda 41200
1,706 Stephen Barrett 41100
204 John Weafer 40700
1,101 Dara O'Kearney 39900
409 Oz Osbourne 39700
1,105 Sean Greaves 37100
105 Darren McGuinness 35300
1,707 Ken Corkery 34100
903 David Zenou 33800
106 Adrian O'Donoghue 32500
305 Michaela Kalmar 31100
103 Laurent Eyquard 29800
1,209 Andrew Grimason 27900
809 Benjamin Barros 27500
1,708 Pierre Lenoir 26700
1,002 Sean McLean 26200
904 Bertrand Fisch 25300
507 Marco Della Tommasina 23800
1,504 Jim Fennell 21600
608 Ken Powell 19600
706 Yoann Desangin 19200
1,309 Giuseppe Zarbo 12900
907 Gordan Cowan 12600
1,408 John Clancy 12200
1,405 Noel Furlong 11700
1,006 Tadhg O'Mahony 9000

Shortstack · 07-02-2009 05:55AM

Redraw for day two and chip counts:

Table Seat ID Player End of Day
1 1 1,507 Chris Dowling 138000
1 2 505 Troy Prendergast 92800
1 3 109 David Stokes 129400
1 4 1,407 Jay Renehan 141500
1 5 907 Gordan Cowan 12600
1 6 801 Guy Johnson 242300
1 7 1,607 Gary Clarke 146800
1 8 1,609 Gerlando Cacciatore 70300
1 9 503 Sean Gregory 135700
1 10 #N/A
2 1 1,208 Vinnie McEroy 83700
2 2 608 Ken Powell 19600
2 3 405 Hubert Attali 44800
2 4 905 Thomas Middleton 95600
2 5 502 Thiery Goue 168200
2 6 504 Daniel Pauly 66700
2 7 1,309 Giuseppe Zarbo 12900
2 8 305 Michaela Kalmar 31100
2 9 1,709 Francis Jeannin 182800
2 10 #N/A
3 1 1,206 Rumain Carca 44700
3 2 402 Jon Kalmar 248800
3 3 904 Bertrand Fisch 25300
3 4 507 Marco Della Tommasina 23800
3 5 1,105 Sean Greaves 37100
3 6 602 Dermot Blain 172100
3 7 1,002 Sean McLean 26200
3 8 1,708 Pierre Lenoir 26700
3 9 407 Alan Kelleher 64600
3 10 #N/A
4 1 1,408 John Clancy 12200
4 2 406 Yoann Van Daele 84500
4 3 1,704 Jerome Isler 87900
4 4 1,103 Brian Palmer 73500
4 5 1,303 Kevin Fitzpatrick 154500
4 6 903 David Zenou 33800
4 7 1,707 Ken Corkery 34100
4 8 1,001 Padraig Parkinson 45000
4 9 908 Lorcan Fox 77800
4 10 #N/A
5 1 1,203 Antoine Rousseau 89600
5 2 409 Oz Osbourne 39700
5 3 202 Francis McCormack 62200
5 4 605 John Eames 131100
5 5 1,204 Surinder Sunar 61900
5 6 901 Martin Silke 41900
5 7 906 Frank Callaghan 95000
5 8 107 Ken O'Mahony 50200
5 9 106 Adrian O'Donoghue 32300
5 10 #N/A
6 1 1,201 Sebastian Decamps 71400
6 2 1,106 Antoine Saout 95400
6 3 105 Darren McGuinness 35300
6 4 307 Alexander Besse 108200
6 5 1,509 Donal Norton 43000
6 6 1,005 Jason Tompkins 133200
6 7 1,702 Stuart Rutter 113200
6 8 809 Benjamin Barros 27500
6 9 808 Nicky Power 59400
6 10 #N/A
7 1 1,501 Rein Zijda 41200
7 2 1,102 Benjamin Gallen 78900
7 3 1,502 Olivier Jouve 120100
7 4 707 Keir Ratcliff 46400
7 5 806 Steve Basri 56400
7 6 1,706 Stephen Barrett 41100
7 7 1,207 Julien Legros 87600
7 8 1,101 Dara O'Kearney 39900
7 9 1,701 Paul Jackson 84700
7 10 #N/A
8 1 101 Sean Kilroy 73900
8 2 1,008 Ciaran Walsh 150000
8 3 104 Ciaran Burke 94100
8 4 1,503 Aurelien Guiglini 48600
8 5 1,109 Paul Smallwood 54500
8 6 1,306 Olivier Daenincks 103700
8 7 1,601 Chris Cooke 56400
8 8 1,604 Pat Jackson 83400
8 9 706 Yoann Desangin 19200
8 10 #N/A
9 1 804 Stephen Ferrissey 89400
9 2 607 William Martin 56400
9 3 1,209 Andrew Grimason 27900
9 4 103 Laurent Eyquard 29800
9 5 609 Manuel Bevand 71900
9 6 807 Fabrice Vreux 84000
9 7 1,006 Tadhg O'Mahony 9000
9 8 209 James McManus 171200
9 9 #N/A
9 10 #N/A
10 1 203 David Gallagher 60000
10 2 702 Rob Taylor 44100
10 3 1,504 Jim Fennell 21600
10 4 703 Michael Greco 50900
10 5 1,405 Noel Furlong 11700
10 6 802 Laurent LeFranco 48100
10 7 401 Jean-Phillippe Rodrigues 60800
10 8 308 David Glynn 99100
10 9 204 John Weafer 40700
10 10 #N/A
11 1 206 Mathieu Jaunay 69700
11 2 304 Vannak Tok 272300
11 3 1,007 Scott Gray 149600
11 4 704 Tristan Clemencon 63700
11 5 1,307 Brian Nolan 135300
11 6 709 Mick McCool 92800
11 7 1,605 Peter Dragar 123600
11 8 1,301 Willie Russell 161700

HoLLLLLaments · 07-02-2009 07:28AM

Shortstack wrote: »

Kevin Fitzpatrick 151500

fitzer gonna ship

HoLLLLLaments · 07-02-2009 07:30AM

akkenny wrote: »

"so you have top set then" and he replied "i have the nuts at the moment" and i belived him .

this narrows his range a bit

DeVore · 07-02-2009 10:11AM

1,301 Willie Russell 161700
1,303 Kevin Fitzpatrick 151500
1,008 Ciaran Walsh 150000
1,007 Scott Gray 149600

great to see a small clustering of old foggies up the top

Kevin will money... anyone want to give me action on that?

Would love to see Scott go deep for all the good advice I've heard him give me and others.

See you out there at the cash games later all!

DeV.

BigCityBanker · 07-02-2009 11:41AM

what time does play restart today?

DeVore · 07-02-2009 12:00PM

BHW wrote: »

yea that was me sitting beside you(how u finish?), it was an interesting hand, that what the tourney about i suppose

I had a brief moment of trouble when I tried to run over BCB there with fresh air while he was holding aces. The one and only bluff of the day in fact, mostly because I kept flopping monsters. I was exhausted but stuck to the table. I made back what I lost to BCB and finished up 500 for the day. Not bad not bad.

DeV.

BigCityBanker · 07-02-2009 12:10PM

DeVore wrote: »

I was murdering a cash table by running better then God when I heard about this.

hey Tom, whats this all about

JP Poker · 07-02-2009 12:39PM

BigCityBanker wrote: »

what time does play restart today?

Hi Noel,

I'll be back in the Red Cow by 12.30pm Card room open for cash and SnG sat's for out €550 game from 1pm at the latest.

The Main event will continue at 3pm. Players chip bags will be opened at 2.45pm. Any player not at their table when their bag is opened will have no recourse on their chip amount.
The €550 game stars at 6pm

YULETIRED · 07-02-2009 12:53PM

JP Poker wrote: »

The €550 game stars at 6pm

Hi JP.

Is there a possibility to start the 550 game at 6.30 as opposed to 6 (to accommadate us Rugby fans)

Tiltmeup · 07-02-2009 01:15PM

Hey just a little more on Als fold. I dealt on his table for about 3 or 4 hours throughout the day nd could see how card dead he was. For this reason alone to be able to make a fold on ur one huge hand of the is a masterclass one that I don't think I could. Sometimes it takes bigger balls to make that big fold than the big call. Well played mate

GJP - European Deepstack Poker Championships - Updates!

Comments