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Jogging to lose belly fat. Help!

  • 04-02-2009 04:14PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭


    I’ve been jogging 1 month now (had not participated in any physical activity for two years and was ridiculously unfit) and currently taking on a 2.5mile run(takes about 20 to 21mins) 3 times a week. I’m looking to build myself up to 3.5 miles and then 5 miles and so on, until i have enough done to do a half marathon.
    I’m male, 5' 9" and weigh almost twelve stone. Light build but a real stick out beer belly. Just three questions,
    1. What sort of foods should i eat day to day and what quantity (while my distances become greater)
    2. How quickly should i move up my distances
    3. If I complete the half marathon and haven’t lost as much of the belly as id like would I diminish it by constantly running 5 miles, 3 times a week for a year or longer?
    Sorry the last question is ambiguous, my main goal is to loose the belly!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    1. tell us what you currently eat and when and we can advise better
    2. don't increase (a) total weekly distance, (b) distance of longest run or (3) speed/intensity of any run by more than 10% per week. Every 3-4 weeks take an easy week to help body recover.
    3. Will come down to the old equation total calories in < total calories used = weight loss.

    As well as running, have you considered some resistance training if belly loss is your primary goal?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,585 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    1. tell us what you currently eat and when and we can advise better
    2. don't increase (a) total weekly distance, (b) distance of longest run or (3) speed/intensity of any run by more than 10% per week. Every 3-4 weeks take an easy week to help body recover.
    3. Will come down to the old equation total calories in < total calories used = weight loss.

    As well as running, have you considered some resistance training if belly loss is your primary goal?

    The "resistance training" aids fat loss has been exposed as a myth. http://www.cyclingnews.com/fitness/?id=2008/letters12-23

    First section - Metabolism rate in training


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    eh? peer review has worked for a couple of hundred years now, I'll be sticking with that for my science :-) The guy doens't want to be a pro-cyclist, just to lose a belly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    Check the energy content in what you eat, particularly processed or snack foods. Eg. a Mars bar = 260 kcal !! You'd have to run 3 miles to burn one of those :eek: And since you mentioned beer, a pint of lager has about 220 kcal.

    The lesson is along with the running, you should eliminate (or reduce) that kind of s**t from your diet. :D

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,585 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    eh? peer review has worked for a couple of hundred years now, I'll be sticking with that for my science :-) The guy doens't want to be a pro-cyclist, just to lose a belly.

    I'm always open to research! I'd yet to see anyone back up the statement that putting on muscle has a tangible effect on fat loss. If you have some please let me see it and I'll up my gym sessions!

    I know its just a Q&A on a cycling site but its the first thing I've seen outside of the Fitness board on boards.ie that had anything on it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    These are just the first 3 I found that didn't involve elderly subjects or already sick people.
    med Sci Sport Exer 2009 Feb;41(2):459-71.
    Climacteric 2008 Nov 19:1-12.
    Eur J appl Physiol2002 Mar;86(5):411-7. Epub 2002 Jan 29.

    3rd one is probably most relevant in the OP's case as it talks about the ehnanced metabolism post exercise. The first one is a nice review.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭pipelaser


    Breakfast - Large bowl of cereal(crunchynut corn flakes and the like) with low fat milk.

    Small lunch- Cup of soup with buttered demi baguette
    Apple, yoghurt and a tangerine

    Big lunch- Four slices of Mccambridge brown bread with real butter
    and jam. Apple yoghurt and 2 tangerines

    Dinner- Spaghetti bolognaise (250gs of mince) Mushrooms, peppers,
    onion, Dolmio sause and spagetti. Big portion

    No physical work during the day


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭pwd


    half a pound of minced beef a day would be a lot of saturated fat. Probably a good thing to change...When you cook mince you can pour the excess fat off before you put the sauce on it - it makes the meal taste nicer as well as reducing the saturated fat.
    I'd change the sweetened cereal at breakfast too - something wholegrain with less sugar.
    Eat wholemeal bread instead of white for your baguette, if you don't already do so. It will give you more energy for running as well as being healthier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    lots of refined sugar in there, especially considering you're doing a relatively small amount of exercise. There is a slightly nerdy/mathematical explaination here
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58627633&postcount=29

    but to keep things simple in the first instance while you adjust
    1. get protein with each meal (e.g. a boiled egg with breakfast, slice of chicken with that soup at "small lunch", yoghurt might not be enough
    2. Do you need all that butter/jam? It's a lot of calories that are not really doing a whole lot for you
    3. how is your liquid intake
    4. porridge, porridge, porridge, waaaaayyyy better for you than crunchy nuts (and cheaper!)

    This list is by no means a comprehensive list of changes that you should make but it is a good start. Also, I know it sounds like I'm saying everything is wrong with your diet, I'm not, it's great that you are eating regularly, it's good that there is a limited amount of processed food in your diet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭jlang


    Not really relevant to you, but seeing "small lunch" and "big lunch" brought me right back to school when I had a Penguin bar or a piece of fruit for "little break", depending on who packed the lunch box!

    I always figure diet is cut out a little bit of the bad stuff, add in a little bit of the good stuff and match the overall amount to how active you are and whether you want your weight to go up or down. You can work out how much by remembering how much you eat and logging your exercise, seeing whether your weight goes up or down over time. But don't get too OCD about every meal or time you step on the scales. Your weight can fluctuate by quite a few pounds over a day or a week without really meaning you've lost or put on any body mass.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭cfitz


    lots of refined sugar in there, especially considering you're doing a relatively small amount of exercise. There is a slightly nerdy/mathematical explaination here
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58627633&postcount=29

    but to keep things simple in the first instance while you adjust
    1. get protein with each meal (e.g. a boiled egg with breakfast, slice of chicken with that soup at "small lunch", yoghurt might not be enough
    2. Do you need all that butter/jam? It's a lot of calories that are not really doing a whole lot for you
    3. how is your liquid intake
    4. porridge, porridge, porridge, waaaaayyyy better for you than crunchy nuts (and cheaper!)

    This list is by no means a comprehensive list of changes that you should make but it is a good start. Also, I know it sounds like I'm saying everything is wrong with your diet, I'm not, it's great that you are eating regularly, it's good that there is a limited amount of processed food in your diet.

    Hi hunnymonster, I'm far from an expert on diet, at a guess I'd say you probably know a lot more about it than me. But, to me, his current diet looks quite good. Your advice looks good, but give the guy some credit - I would be shocked if there are many people on this forum with a better diet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Woddle


    I've lost 5 lbs since Jan 1st, my diet is still crap but I have become very good at counting my calories and subtracting my estimated running calories.
    Today for example saw me eat 4 pancakes with butter and sugar, drank 2 bpm drinks and had mince and potaoes with carrots and peas for dinner.
    Total in 1800, total out 900
    My point is you can still enjoy your food but just don't go overboard like I tend to do, I wish I could cut out all the sweets but I can't, I'm weak like that :D and I know I'll never have a six pack because of this. As G'em will tell you in fitness a six pack is made in the kitchen
    Unlike today though I tend to have brekky every morning which sets me up nicely for the day.
    So try counting calories on a spreadsheet like jlang suggested and do a bit of maths, a lb is equal to about 3500 calories.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭MissHoneyBun


    pwd wrote: »
    half a pound of minced beef a day would be a lot of saturated fat. Probably a good thing to change...When you cook mince you can pour the excess fat off before you put the sauce on it - it makes the meal taste nicer as well as reducing the saturated fat.

    I told him bout this ;)
    Tis true!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    What is bpm Woddle? You're always harping on about it and I don't think I've seen it anywhere. My weakness is coke zero with my lunch every day...least I don't drink normal coke anymore :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭jlang


    woddle wrote: »
    spreadsheet like jlang suggested
    I think I was advocating doing it in your head but a spreadsheet would work too.
    cfitz wrote: »
    I would be shocked if there are many people on this forum with a better diet.
    A half-eaten pack of biscuits in front of me tells me you're probably right!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Woddle


    mp1972 wrote: »
    What is bpm Woddle? You're always harping on about it and I don't think I've seen it anywhere. My weakness is coke zero with my lunch every day...least I don't drink normal coke anymore :pac:

    There a type of sports drink, one is coloured green and the other red which is my favourite. There in a 500ml bottle and there 300 calories :eek: hence why I try to cut down on how many I drink.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Woddle wrote: »
    There a type of sports drink, one is coloured green and the other red which is my favourite. There in a 500ml bottle and there 300 calories :eek: hence why I try to cut down on how many I drink.

    Pffft...if they're sports drinks they're good for you so it's allowed. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭shels4ever


    I find it hard to even post what my diet would be on a normal day as I do change it around a lot. Been really good the last 2 3 week with the injury. Well not today really over did it with 2 plates of pasta, but was hungry after my run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 moose52c


    I think the best way to start is to eat good healthy food from a good source 'not tescos etc' local butcher or fish shop! you know its quality goodness! I started back training a few weeks ago and fish is the key its so good, I also have a protein shake after training helps recover the body!;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭eltuerto


    Very interesting thread. From advice and lectures we got from Nutiricanist for athletes the nutirtionist does NOT advocate sugar free or fat free foods. This is becasue your body will crave the missing sugar or fat.

    What was advocated was to avoid sugar highs. Eat lower GI foods but you can gorge after training.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Zuppy


    tunney wrote: »
    The "resistance training" aids fat loss has been exposed as a myth. http://www.cyclingnews.com/fitness/?id=2008/letters12-23

    First section - Metabolism rate in training


    I read this. Not sure who it aimed it at but not at anyone who is trying to lose weight. More muscle = more kcal burnt at rest and active. While this a small amount compared to your daily basal rate, so is cardio. Resistance training in this gentlemans case would up the metabolic rate, tone up the body and help prevent injury. While possibally adding a fourth training session to his week (ergo more kcal spent). More kcal out than in equals less body weight. (both science and common logic)

    Cyclists of a serious level need to be aware of all non essential weight on the bike. So if a muscle isn't powering the bike it is in effect extra weight (muscle weights more than fat). This is what I presume the "Q and A" is trying to point out without adding any real science to prove it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    cfitz wrote: »
    Hi hunnymonster, I'm far from an expert on diet, at a guess I'd say you probably know a lot more about it than me. But, to me, his current diet looks quite good. Your advice looks good, but give the guy some credit - I would be shocked if there are many people on this forum with a better diet.
    fair point cfitz. I did try to point out that there are a number of things that he is doing right but I guess I came across as the diet police which wasn't my intention. I don't think there is an amateur athlete in the world who couldn't do better with their diet and I guess I pointed out more than a couple of area's for improvement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    pipelaser wrote: »
    I’ve been jogging 1 month now (had not participated in any physical activity for two years and was ridiculously unfit) and currently taking on a 2.5mile run(takes about 20 to 21mins) 3 times a week. I’m looking to build myself up to 3.5 miles and then 5 miles and so on, until i have enough done to do a half marathon.
    I’m male, 5' 9" and weigh almost twelve stone. Light build but a real stick out beer belly. Just three questions,
    1. What sort of foods should i eat day to day and what quantity (while my distances become greater)
    2. How quickly should i move up my distances
    3. If I complete the half marathon and haven’t lost as much of the belly as id like would I diminish it by constantly running 5 miles, 3 times a week for a year or longer?
    Sorry the last question is ambiguous, my main goal is to loose the belly!

    I started out heavier than you and shorter about a year ago. It took a few months for the weight to start to fall off (possibly gaining muscle for a while) but I have now lost over 2 stone (though I still have not got taller).:D
    My advice, continue regular running - take the advice here about low mileage increases to avoid injury; set a target race to keep motivated - maybe a 5K or 10K in the short term.
    Eat & drink sensibly, particularly avoiding high fat foods but don't obsess about it !
    Have patience, it could take 6-12 months to start to get to where you want, but if you do it that way its more likely to last and you will get hooked on the running, like most of the people here - you are allowed to obsess about running.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭pipelaser


    Thanks for the replies everyone, ill keep it up and stay realistic.
    What a great website!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭Seres


    pipelaser wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies everyone, ill keep it up and stay realistic.
    What a great website!
    i have to say this forum is particularly good for support and advice , also one of the more active boards forums


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Clum


    Going back to the mince topic. I eat meals with mince about 2 or 3 times a week, be it a pasta dish or shepards pie or homemade burgers, whatever, there's tonnes of them I cook. But I use round mince, which I'm told by my butcher is lean. Is this true, or is he having a laugh?

    When frying I use Extra Virgin Olive Oil, which I'm also lead to believe it not too bad, so I don't drain any fats or anything before adding sauces (although all my sauces are homemade, no jars of Dolmio or Ragu). I'm not looking for a fat-free meal but am I right in thinking this kind of cooking is comparitively low(ish) in fat?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    Clum, no not really. Mince is usually made from all the bits of meat that wouldn't be sold as solid pieces. While round steak in itself is not too bad (as red meat goes) the minced stuff is likely to be the dregs. You don't need to add additional oil for sure. Other options to improve the fat (saturated fat particularly) content are
    1. choose a piece of lean looking meat and have the butcher mince it for you (of course this is more expensive than bying their ready made mince)
    2. use turkey mince - I never find this tasty and is very pale looking
    3. use quorn "mince" - I actually really like this stuff, tasty, good value, good nutritional content, not great for burgers though, ideal for bolognaise etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    oh, yeah on the oil front, Extra virgin olive oil is grat for a salad but not ideal once heated as it changes characteristics. You can check out the smoke points of oils at
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooking_oil#Health_and_particular_oils


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭MCOS


    Clum, no not really. Mince is usually made from all the bits of meat that wouldn't be sold as solid pieces. While round steak in itself is not too bad (as red meat goes) the minced stuff is likely to be the dregs. You don't need to add additional oil for sure. Other options to improve the fat (saturated fat particularly) content are
    1. choose a piece of lean looking meat and have the butcher mince it for you (of course this is more expensive than bying their ready made mince)
    2. use turkey mince - I never find this tasty and is very pale looking
    3. use quorn "mince" - I actually really like this stuff, tasty, good value, good nutritional content, not great for burgers though, ideal for bolognaise etc.

    1. Best option but as HM said, expensive way to eat
    2. Just plain yeuch and about as interesting as eating a soft cream cracker
    3. Imposter! Best disguised in Bolognese but still an imposter. My best friend's wife 'tested' me once but I knew there was something up with the mince. I ate it anyway... it wasn't awful.

    Basically just drain the excess fat off your mince before you add your sauce and veg etc.. and you are ok :)

    Do you not use lamb mince for your Shepards Pie?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Clum


    MCOS wrote: »
    Do you not use lamb mince for your Shepards Pie?

    Would you believe I've never even considered it but will pick some up in the Butchers tomorrow.

    Cheers.


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