Telling people your broke and their reaction

Wagon · 03-02-2009 01:13PM

axel rose wrote: »

Oh FFS! Put down your tabloid paper and change the record.

suggest you put down the tabloid and educate yourself a bit more in this regard.

Were you sexually abused by a tabloid newspaper when you were a boy?

veryangryman · 03-02-2009 01:17PM

Wagon wrote: »

Were you sexually abused by a tabloid newspaper when you were a boy?

I once had a dream that the page 3 girls in the Sun were talking to me

They were shouting "PERVERT, PERVERT!" :pac:

TerrorFirmer · 03-02-2009 01:20PM

diverdriver wrote: »

Are you broke? Have you lost your job or taking a pay cut? Yes/No? If not what is your problem. What changed?

I personally am sick of people in safe jobs talking about tightening their belts. People on 70k worrying shopping in Aldi all of a sudden. For many, many people nothing has changed at all, the public service, the Garda, the army, etc etc. Yet they act as if they were suddenly short of money. People with six figure, taxpayer guaranteed sums and in the bank and second houses, putting on the poor mouth because they decided not to change the Merc this year because of the 'economic' situation.

Right now people who have money are not spending it. The result of that is many other are going out of business and people are being laid off. It's a vicious circle.

Well they'll get their comeuppance eventually because the government will up taxes to get the money anyway so they can pay the public service bill.

If you genuinely are in trouble and short of money, with a bank overdraft and unpaid bills then by all means go on about tightening belts. If not shut up and be grateful nothing has changed for you.

That's a simplistic view. People with salaries of 70-100K plus are facing a bit of a crisis now because those are the people that would be more likely to have bigger investments, properties, dependents and so on, yet they're taking big pay cuts. Yeah, they aren't going to ever be poor or out of a job, but that doesn't mean they aren't in difficulties relative to their responsibilities. And yeah sure there will be those on big salaries who don't have such commitments but a lot of them do. My parents for example are facing about a 20k cut between them and without delving into their personal lives they have a lot of commitments that until now were balancing out evenly but in a managable manner, now with cuts its becoming increasingly hard for them to manage it all. So yeah, why wouldn't they shop at Aldi and change a few little things of their lifestyle in order to save a few quid?

Have a bit of cop on, the reason most people are 'tightening their belts' is simply because they HAVE to, relative to their situation. I'm sick of people assuming and characterizing (perhaps out of jealously?) people in high paying public service jobs as misers raking in undeserved money with seemingly nothing to spend it on.

axel rose · 03-02-2009 01:25PM

Wagon wrote: »

Were you sexually abused by a tabloid newspaper when you were a boy?

hee hee. No, Its just the dumb uneducated attitude that driver was coming up with. Its very very obvious that the man has done no independant research on the matter. Im being generous when I accuse him of picking up his information from the trash papers. The constant public sector bashing is old and inaccurate. Im a public sector worker Im paid a reasonable wage but I bloody well work hard and will not apologise for it.
In my job I have been assaulted and held by the neck while I was told in detail how I was going to be raped. Now what should my salary be? (For any smartarse out there Its not a service I care to provide nor do I charge by the hour;))

Tupins · 03-02-2009 01:38PM

veryangryman wrote: »

Is anyone else noticing the bitter reaction you get from people, relations, friends etc when you, the working man or woman, mention needing to tighten up/save instead of pissing your money away? Tough times we currently living in, but the amount of folks who think that just because your in a job now that you should be loaded/not worrying about being short-changed etc. These people should get real, and quick. The words "reality check" have never been more apt.

The irony is that a lot of reactions the OP got from this post actually prove him right!

Irish begrudgery never ceases to irritate me.....

BnA · 03-02-2009 01:38PM

Keeerist on a bike.... I'd be the first to admit that a lot of our public services leave a lot to be desired, the HSE in particular. I am really sh1t sick of hearing uninformed bitter gobshoites trying and paint everyone who works in a civil service job as some kind of freeloader.

The one thing I always ask dimwits like that is...

Why don't you do it...?

Why dodn't you join the army ?

Why don't you become a nurse, or a guard, or a County Council worker....?

It's a free country. If they have it so good, why don't you join them ?

diverdriver · 03-02-2009 01:53PM

No one should say all the public service are freeloaders. They're not but as often as not they are defended as some kind of heroes of the people. No one is allowed to slag off nurses, Guards or anyone like that. But that's not the issue. There is huge waste in the public service, enormous waste. It is full of people who do next to nothing while all around them their colleagues do all the real work. That is undeniable. That needs to be addressed. Not only that not one of them has take a pay cut, or is on short time working or even been left without a payrise.

Meanwhile out in the real world of the private sector, people are losing their jobs, going on short time, not getting pay rises. All of my siblings have been affected in one way or another, either loss of income or short time working or no pay rises.

Now please name one permanent public sector job where the same thing has happened? No?

Thought not!

TerrorFirmer · 03-02-2009 01:59PM

diverdriver wrote: »

Meanwhile out in the real world of the private sector, people are losing their jobs, going on short time, not getting pay rises. All of my siblings have been affected in one way or another, either loss of income or short time working or no pay rises.

Now please name one permanent public sector job where the same thing has happened? No?

Eh, pay freezes? Drastically increased taxation? This affects the public sector too at the moment.

sunnyside · 03-02-2009 02:14PM

I still have a job but with a very average salary. The reason I have less money to spend is because I've become very conscious of living within my means instead of the previous living beyond my means lifestyle.

Since college I've always had loans and credit cards, I've never missed payments so it never ever bothered me in the slightest but now it does because the total amount has increased slowly over time. Had all this talk of recession never happened I still wouldn't be worrying about it but as I see it now the sooner I pay all this off the better.

These loans paid for holidays, car, flat screen tv, few pairs of shoes.....Thankfully there are a few things to show for it but the lifestyle has changed.

I don't expect this lifestyle change to last indefinitely. I know that as soon as I clear the loans I'll probably take out another one for the next holiday....

For now it's a bit of a reality check. People who still have jobs are spending less because for the last few years they spent much more than they were earning.

Mark200 · 03-02-2009 02:15PM

veryangryman wrote: »

Income levy
Petrol prices not being reduced in line with oil prices. Cowboys are even INCREASING prices now in my town :eek: Not to mention the 8c petrol levy
Grocery items ARE more expensive now than this time last year - in Republic anyway. Grab a loaf of bread/bottle of coke etc and tell me otherwise
Insurance going up
Banks giving crap savings rates due to lower interest rates
Pints going up in price

Sorry mate, get your facts right before thinking that the likes of me have any extra disposable income. We dont. Plain and simple. When we do, ill gladly hire a stripper, buy a Ferrari and get that new Ivory back scratcher to stimulate the economy. Meantime, one needs to save to have "insurance money" for a possible interim period when out of work/looking for new job

To the poster who mentioned my "suit" - i currently sit in jeans and t-shirt/hoodie at work. Suits me sir

Petrol prices: Just because they mightn't be reduced in line with oil prices, doesn't change the fact that they have still been reduced quite significantly. For anyone who drives frequently, it's a huge change> And that includes the 8c levy
-->As for the increasing prices. That's because oil prices have gone up slightly recently

Crap Rates: Savings rates might be down, but that means the interest rates on loans are down too

Price of a pint: Not so long ago the brewery association or whatever they're called announced that they'd be freezing the prices.

The amount of sales that shops are doing, I think you're going to the wrong places if your day-to-day bills are going up

diverdriver · 03-02-2009 02:22PM

It seems some people are pretty thin skinned. I'm still waiting to hear of a public servant, soldier or Garda who has lost his job in this recession, or is on short time or took a pay cut! You all like to say you work hard and deserve your pay. Indeed you do but that's not how it works in the real world outside in the private sector. You can be the best there is and get fired anyway.

Meanwhile your unions have collapsed the social partnership talks. Now the government has to make the decisions for you. But believe me none of you will lose your jobs because of it. So don't worry too much. Plus if you don't like what they dish out you can go on strike or have a blue flu or green flu in case of the Garda and army. You have that luxury.

It's not bitterness on my part but I would like to know why you think you should be immune to all the pain being dished out?

shane86 · 03-02-2009 02:26PM

diverdriver wrote: »

Are you broke? Have you lost your job or taking a pay cut? Yes/No? If not what is your problem. What changed?

I personally am sick of people in safe jobs talking about tightening their belts. People on 70k worrying shopping in Aldi all of a sudden. For many, many people nothing has changed at all, the public service, the Garda, the army, etc etc. Yet they act as if they were suddenly short of money. People with six figure, taxpayer guaranteed sums and in the bank and second houses, putting on the poor mouth because they decided not to change the Merc this year because of the 'economic' situation.

Right now people who have money are not spending it. The result of that is many other are going out of business and people are being laid off. It's a vicious circle.

Well they'll get their comeuppance eventually because the government will up taxes to get the money anyway so they can pay the public service bill.

If you genuinely are in trouble and short of money, with a bank overdraft and unpaid bills then by all means go on about tightening belts. If not shut up and be grateful nothing has changed for you.

Worse was a pile of celebs and media figures (six figure people, essentially) in one of the rags a while back talking sh1t about how they were frightened and tightening their belts. If anything, for people like them in recession proof jobs falling house and car prices are a dream come through.

Alot of employed people tend to claim they are broke when they arent really for some reason.

veryangryman · 03-02-2009 02:36PM

Mark200 wrote: »

The amount of sales that shops are doing, I think you're going to the wrong places if your day-to-day bills are going up

Have you gone to any of these so called "sales"? 80% off advertised and the most you find for any decent items is 20% (lucky day)

And dont get me started on Tesco Cash Savers (for example). Brutal quality while in the meantime their regular stuff going up in price. Basics like Meat/Bread etc. Even Aldi/Lidl are matching the prices on regular products that the others sell. Bargains are out there if you shop around, but overall you end up with less change from the week if you keep shopping at the same haunts as this time last year

What im saying is, its tougher to spend less on a basic week without acting like fricking Sherlock Holmes

AnonoBoy · 03-02-2009 03:01PM

Grimes wrote: »

I find that most people cant see why you dont spend at least 80% of your income on fags and booze. Its just the irish way I guess. Dont really care I have a nice big car

I can't believe the amount of people who can't see why you don't spend at least 80% of your income on a big car. Don't really care, I have a great social life.

[edit]I'm getting a pay rise - screw you recession![/edit]

Cianos · 03-02-2009 03:11PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

I saw a guy last week climbing into his 09 registered Audi. "look at that cunt, somebody's got some feckin money"", some old boy said. Audi-man looked like he was ashamed when he saw the natives staring at him.

I'm sure that if the he hadn't driven off the locals would have lynched him.

Fck the locals, let them cry in to their pints of begrudgery.

MizzLolly · 03-02-2009 03:11PM

seamus wrote: »

Ah yes, the good old Irish begrudgery comes out again, bitching about people because they have jobs which pay money. I'm sorry that I have a job, no really I am, I want to go back to living in a thatched cottage, raising sheep and speaking Aran Irish, because it's wrong to get paid money and have stuff, I know it is.

Well said

+ a billion

CleverUsername · 03-02-2009 03:19PM

diverdriver wrote: »

No one should say all the public service are freeloaders. They're not but as often as not they are defended as some kind of heroes of the people. No one is allowed to slag off nurses, Guards or anyone like that. But that's not the issue. There is huge waste in the public service, enormous waste. It is full of people who do next to nothing while all around them their colleagues do all the real work. That is undeniable. That needs to be addressed. Not only that not one of them has take a pay cut, or is on short time working or even been left without a payrise.

Meanwhile out in the real world of the private sector, people are losing their jobs, going on short time, not getting pay rises. All of my siblings have been affected in one way or another, either loss of income or short time working or no pay rises.

Now please name one permanent public sector job where the same thing has happened? No?

Thought not!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0116/breaking43.html?via=rel

"Dublin Bus to cut 290 jobs, reduce fleet by 120 buses"

S.I.R · 03-02-2009 03:20PM

diverdriver wrote: »

Are you broke? Have you lost your job or taking a pay cut? Yes/No? If not what is your problem. What changed?

I personally am sick of people in safe jobs talking about tightening their belts. People on 70k worrying shopping in Aldi all of a sudden. For many, many people nothing has changed at all, the public service, the Garda, the army, etc etc. Yet they act as if they were suddenly short of money. People with six figure, taxpayer guaranteed sums and in the bank and second houses, putting on the poor mouth because they decided not to change the Merc this year because of the 'economic' situation.

Right now people who have money are not spending it. The result of that is many other are going out of business and people are being laid off. It's a vicious circle.

Well they'll get their comeuppance eventually because the government will up taxes to get the money anyway so they can pay the public service bill.

If you genuinely are in trouble and short of money, with a bank overdraft and unpaid bills then by all means go on about tightening belts. If not shut up and be grateful nothing has changed for you.

i couldnt agree more,

irish people just enjoy moaning too much.

axel rose · 03-02-2009 03:40PM

diverdriver wrote: »

No one is allowed to slag off nurses, Guards or anyone like that. But that's not the issue. There is huge waste in the public service, enormous waste. It is full of people who do next to nothing while all around them their colleagues do all the real work. That needs to be addressed. Not only that not one of them has take a pay cut, or is on short time working or even been left without a payrise.

Meanwhile out in the real world of the private sector, people are losing their jobs, going on short time, not getting pay rises. All of my siblings have been affected in one way or another, either loss of income or short time working or no pay rises.

Now please name one permanent public sector job where the same thing has happened? No?

Thought not!

Err, Are you for real? Public sector workers are not getting pay rises. What exactly are you moaning about? Will you quit your whinging if nurses, doctors and guards lose their job? What about people working in social welfare? Do you want lay offs there too? Do you think that our families and friends are immune to recession? Why are you so bitter towards ps? Why arent you a ps if you think it is so easy?

Dord · 03-02-2009 03:44PM

monkeyfudge wrote: »

I bought something large, expensive and utterly pointless on Friday.

I'm wicked cool!

I love doing that.

livvy · 03-02-2009 03:49PM

diverdriver wrote: »

Nothing has changed for you, there is no economic recession as far as you are concerned. Nor the Garda, the Doctors, nurses, teachers, civil servants and anyone else sucking on the taxpayers teat. It looks like the worst you'll have to suffer is foregoing a pay rise this year. No job losses, no short time working.

Yet some of the worst whinging comes from that direction. Why would that be?

What upsets you the most:
1. you don't work for the public sector
2. that a public sector is required

I agree cuts need to be made. I agree public pensions must be altered to suit the economic purse. A few years ago being employed in the public sector was considered boring and safe. I assume your "sucking on the taxpayers teat" is in reference to them being paid for the job that they actually do.

teednab-el · 03-02-2009 03:56PM

MIN2511 wrote: »

Look at it this way, you could be me
1. Uemployed
2. Not entitled to any welfare
3. Very very broke!
4. Bored to my skull of staying at home

So stfu with your job and money

hear hear

me in the same boat as you.....I wouldnt be moaning about nothing if i had some bit of income.

A Primal Nut · 03-02-2009 04:10PM

I agree with some of the people in this thread: the amount of people going on and on about the recession, how they can barely afford a holiday, compaining about high taxes, etc. etc. For the vast majority of people nothing has changed, public or private sector. I know people in my company with great jobs and they are giving out for the sake of giving out, because people love complaining. For the vast majority of people, nothing has changed - wages or job security. In fact, they may benefit as inflation is reduced.

The recession is just a definition based on a certain amount of negative growth over a period of time (or something like that) just because the definition became active doesn't mean everyone is suddenly poor.

veryangryman · 03-02-2009 05:13PM

teednab-el wrote: »

hear hear

me in the same boat as you.....I wouldnt be moaning about nothing if i had some bit of income.

Moaning about nothing? Cop on - its all relative. If you had an income youd be complaining - I'll bet my bottom dollar you used to moan when you had one

Anyone who says they are content with where they are or what they have has already lost the battle. A dip in lifestyle, extreme or otherwise is not something to "STFU" about.

:rolleyes: And please don't get me started on how many bullets i want to put into you for using text speak in what has otherwise been an intelligent thread thusfar on both sides of the argument .

teednab-el · 03-02-2009 05:47PM

veryangryman wrote: »

Moaning about nothing? Cop on - its all relative. If you had an income youd be complaining - I'll bet my bottom dollar you used to moan when you had one

Anyone who says they are content with where they are or what they have has already lost the battle. A dip in lifestyle, extreme or otherwise is not something to "STFU" about.

:rolleyes: And please don't get me started on how many bullets i want to put into you for using text speak in what has otherwise been an intelligent thread thusfar on both sides of the argument .

well no I wouldnt be moaning because I'm a young graduate, I spent 5 years in college (BA and MA Degree) I havent had a real job or income before (i.e. career) so therefore i havent being moaning.

Ok things may be bad for those who have jobs (tax increases, reduction in wages etc) but what about those who dont or those who have just lost their jobs? Look at me I have no job at all and its not my fault. I may have to emigrate just to find something. No social welfare benefits due to the fact of my parents professions (farmer and nurse as if they are highly paid professions by present government polices who seem to be cutting back on everything) my age and the fact that I am living at home at the moment makes me entitled to nothing,

so unless you get a reality check why dont you refrain from posting pathetic statements..if you were in my situation you would think twice....your lucky to have a job in the present economic situation. Its a pity for any graduate coming out of college now.

veryangryman · 03-02-2009 10:40PM

teednab-el wrote: »

well no I wouldnt be moaning because I'm a young graduate, I spent 5 years in college (BA and MA Degree)

You've clearly not heard the jokes about people with arts degrees....

Seriously though, your not that long looking for work if still using text speak (I don't know one educated person over 23 who uses same). It took me two years to get a job in Science. Give it time - Tiocfaidh do lá

MIN2511 · 03-02-2009 11:00PM

Give the dude a break, some people chose to use text speak in AH. We are not back in school!
Also whats the problem with his degree and Masters? Art degrees, at least it's better than being uneducated!

btw in a few weeks time i should have my BSC, i also have a certificate in Computing and i hope to start my MSC in September

teednab-el · 03-02-2009 11:05PM

veryangryman

yeah its funny how many people like yourself laugh at Arts Degree, I did an MA in Environmental Management and im telling you the work that was involved with it, most people wouldnt be laughing after they had completed it. I had to work hard to get a 2.1 in them both so I take offence to you saying that Arts Degrees are a joke. Not all people will say that Arts Degrees are a joke believe me, It depends on what you do with it. You didnt do a Arts Degree so stop generalising the degree...you will work for any Degree you go for and most people will agree with me unless you are ignorant and naive.

And come on whats this s**t about text speak. I was quoting an earlier post for god sake.

MIN2511 · 03-02-2009 11:12PM

I think veryangryman is a very angry man....
Come on dude, why are you getting worked up over all of this? It's AH first and foremost, you don't start a thread like this one and expect everyone to take it like gospel:)

lighten up man

useful_contacts · 04-02-2009 04:05AM

diverdriver wrote: »

People on 70k worrying shopping in Aldi all of a sudden.

.

What good will that 70k a year be if they are made redundant in the next few months

I could be on 200k a year and id still be worried, people in their jobs 20+ years arent safe- no one is

Telling people your broke and their reaction

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