Bosingwa issues apology

Highsider · 02-02-2009 07:31PM

YDMHSSB wrote: »

to be honest, had this game been 11 v 11 i dont think this would have happened. first off, i dont think the score would have been 2-0 at the time and also i dont think the chelsea players would have been as frustrated. boswinga had just watched his keeper caught napping and then ashley cole also, costing them 2 goals, after a bad decisions by the ref cost them 11 men.

now, while there is no excuse for what he did and it was a red, refs can influence players behavior no doubt in my mind.

Liverpool outplayed Chelsea before and after the sending off. It could have very well ended up 2-0 either way

Call Me Jimmy · 02-02-2009 07:32PM

YDMHSSB wrote: »

to be honest, had this game been 11 v 11 i dont think this would have happened. first off, i dont think the score would have been 2-0 at the time and also i dont think the chelsea players would have been as frustrated. boswinga had just watched his keeper caught napping and then ashley cole also, costing them 2 goals, after a bad decisions by the ref cost them 11 men.

now, while there is no excuse for what he did and it was a red, refs can influence players behavior no doubt in my mind.

This has to be a piss-take. It just has to be!

Jazzy · 02-02-2009 08:00PM

fair play for saying sorry but it was still a retarded challenge. should still get banned

eagle eye · 02-02-2009 09:51PM

How come everyone is concentrating on that one incident and a thread about it.

The big four are constantly getting away with more than the rest.

Just the weekend a huge example is the lack of action taken against Steven Gerard vs the action taken against Rory Delap in pretty much identical circumstances.

Did Gerard apologise to Bosingwa for what he did?

I personally thought Bosingwa should have gotten a straight red at the time. Its just not interesting afterwards as there are so many incidents where you see different treatment for the top clubs.

You had two in this game which went unpunished.

Helix · 02-02-2009 11:14PM

gas all the uproar about what was a shove in the arse with bosingwas foot, compared to the complete lack of anything about belhadjs "tackle" on gardner last week

Carcharodon · 02-02-2009 11:29PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

I thought it was a bit of a laugh. He was just annoyed at Benayoun holding the ball up and shoved him over the line with his foot. Yeah he shouldn't have done it, but comparisons with Cantona? It was a cheeky shove for crying out loud. Not exactly something that would end a career.

Talk about overreaction.

Agree, come on people, RELAX

beer enigma · 02-02-2009 11:48PM

Carcharodon wrote: »

Agree, come on people, RELAX

Nah FA have let him off - it deserved a ban - jeez say boo to a ref and you're sent off - cant have that in a match & whilst I've seen much worse challenges - discipline, diving etc is out of control....the petty stuff has be be stamped out

Loomis · 03-02-2009 12:26AM

Requiem4adream wrote: »

who said 5 game ban?!! sad state of affairs. What he did was a foot-push, simple as that. Red card, 1 game ban maybe; 0% chance of injuring the player. Wouldn't even have left a mark. More chance of an injury stretching for the remote control. Anybody mentioning Cantona in the same breath as this needs their head examined.

Going by the rules, or common sense if you'd prefer, what he did was a sending off offense. If you raise your studs in a challenge as the saying goes "you risk getting sent off even if you make no contact". Going on that, and people have been sent off for it, he definitely made contact and should definitely have gone.

Arguing he wouldn't have left a mark? You could dismiss the majority of sendings off if you're going to apply that rule of thumb to a decision - you have to be high/you have to have studs showing/you have to show intent but all must leave a mark on the player or we can just let them slide. That's a bit of a ridiculous argument in my opinion.

Helix · 03-02-2009 12:29AM

Andip wrote: »

Nah FA have let him off

no they havent

theyre bound by the rules

an official saw it and took no action, therefore the fa cant take any action

silly rules, but theyre not letting anyone off with anything, theyre following the rules

doonothing · 03-02-2009 12:37AM

What an odd rule... I mean,the player has apologised, everyone except the ref and FA (including the perpatrator!) can see the wrong-doing!

Insanity that it wasn't a red...

x in the city · 03-02-2009 12:43AM

well i think the fact it was against benayoun had alot to do with it, I mean lets face it who cares about him, without not wanting to sound like an ass hole...!

If it happened against any other 'name' player he would have been sent off imo and have a mandatory 3 match ban at least.

harsh...:p

Xavi6 · 03-02-2009 12:47AM

YDMHSSB wrote: »

why did you have to mention this? i assume your talking about the actions of the night in selhurst park or are u talking about the john moncur incident at swindon? in all fairness mate, you gave out earlier about de railing a thread and then u mention something of a club not involved that happened 14 / 15 years ago.

baffling post IMO.

Might want to read the OP there again boss. He asked was it similar to the Cantona incident so I was answering him.

Loomis · 03-02-2009 12:58AM

Helix wrote: »

no they havent

theyre bound by the rules

an official saw it and took no action, therefore the fa cant take any action

silly rules, but theyre not letting anyone off with anything, theyre following the rules

I thought the rule was if they do make a decision ie give a free or yellow card then they can't change it?
But if they took no action then they can later on. Otherwise what were they reviewing?

citytillidie · 03-02-2009 01:59AM

YDMHSSB wrote: »

to be honest, had this game been 11 v 11 i dont think this would have happened. first off, i dont think the score would have been 2-0 at the time and also i dont think the chelsea players would have been as frustrated. boswinga had just watched his keeper caught napping and then ashley cole also, costing them 2 goals, after a bad decisions by the ref cost them 11 men.

now, while there is no excuse for what he did and it was a red, refs can influence players behavior no doubt in my mind.

Look at the Video it was only 1-0, he was holding up play just like Cech was doing for most of the game with his goal kicks.

Should have been sent off for it, as i said before the FA are opening themselves to a lot of trouble considering before christmas and also doing nothing to the player who knocked out another playing leaving him needing brain sugery.

Helix · 03-02-2009 02:42AM

Mr. Anderson wrote: »

I thought the rule was if they do make a decision ie give a free or yellow card then they can't change it?
But if they took no action then they can later on. Otherwise what were they reviewing?

its only if it wasnt seen

it was seen and no action was taken

yayamark · 03-02-2009 04:06PM

Anyone got the name of the linesman who was beside the incident he should be fired in fairness.

Red card 3 game ban end of.

JPA · 03-02-2009 04:09PM

What a strange thread. It's not like he even hurt Benayoun.

eagle eye · 03-02-2009 04:20PM

No word on Gerard apologising to Bosingwa either.

Davei141 · 03-02-2009 04:25PM

yayamark wrote: »

Anyone got the name of the linesman who was beside the incident he should be fired in fairness.

Red card 3 game ban end of.

The linesman actually gave a free kick against benayoun! Talk about incompetent.

Chardee MacDennis · 03-02-2009 04:39PM

Davei141 wrote: »

The linesman actually gave a free kick against benayoun! Talk about incompetent.

pretty sure he gave a goal kick.

lino should be fired anyway:

bbc.co.uk wrote:

The Portuguese was not punished at the time and because the assistant referee admitted seeing it, the Football Association cannot review the incident.

iregk · 03-02-2009 07:14PM

Ok he appologised so fair enough. Was a shocking bit of UFC action in fairness. How did the linesman not flag for it?

As stated above now that the FA have recinded Lampards card and Bosingwa has appologised all thats left now is for Gerrard to appologise for his stunt on Bosingwa.

Nuri Sahin · 03-02-2009 07:45PM

Des wrote: »

What?

Did he say something anti-jewish to Yossi?

No. It's called a joke.

Requiem4adream · 03-02-2009 09:37PM

Mr. Anderson wrote: »

Going by the rules, or common sense if you'd prefer, what he did was a sending off offense. If you raise your studs in a challenge as the saying goes "you risk getting sent off even if you make no contact". Going on that, and people have been sent off for it, he definitely made contact and should definitely have gone.

Arguing he wouldn't have left a mark? You could dismiss the majority of sendings off if you're going to apply that rule of thumb to a decision - you have to be high/you have to have studs showing/you have to show intent but all must leave a mark on the player or we can just let them slide. That's a bit of a ridiculous argument in my opinion.

Generally if you go in 2-footed and/or with studs showing there is a very real chance of hurting someone badly. Whether you connect or not isn't the point, it's the potential to hurt someone. Intent. People have lost all sense of perspective on studs-up and apply it all wrong. Anyone who plays/played the game knows a lot of the time your studs can be showing with no risk of injury or intent to injure. If you're stretching for a ball you cant always go with the in-step.

What Boswinga did had zero potential to hurt anyone, zero intent to hurt anyone and like i said wouldn't have left a mark. Applying the letter of the law, i'm not sure what the decision should be. I suppose red in the current climate. 3 game ban? Having a laugh. Put it this way, if he pushed him with his hand and not with his foot, he almost never gets red for it. The incident had comedy value written all over it. Uni-brow v Yossi.

monkey9 · 03-02-2009 11:21PM

Requiem4adream wrote: »

Generally if you go in 2-footed and/or with studs showing there is a very real chance of hurting someone badly. Whether you connect or not isn't the point, it's the potential to hurt someone. Intent. People have lost all sense of perspective on studs-up and apply it all wrong. Anyone who plays/played the game knows a lot of the time your studs can be showing with no risk of injury or intent to injure. If you're stretching for a ball you cant always go with the in-step.

What Boswinga did had zero potential to hurt anyone, zero intent to hurt anyone and like i said wouldn't have left a mark. Applying the letter of the law, i'm not sure what the decision should be. I suppose red in the current climate. 3 game ban? Having a laugh. Put it this way, if he pushed him with his hand and not with his foot, he almost never gets red for it. The incident had comedy value written all over it. Uni-brow v Yossi.

Jesus Christ. I'm not having a go here, but when Benayoun wastes time at the corner flag and Bosingwa goes in, studs up, and rakes his back, that is a sending off.
I do hear what you are saying, i do. But it's the easiest red card to give. Honest to God, it was hilarious doubled by the fact that he wasn't given a red.
In fact, not evena red. He didnt get booked. Not even booked, he didnt get a free given against him. The linesman must have been pro Palestinian or something!

Helix · 03-02-2009 11:23PM

monkey9 wrote: »

Bosingwa goes in, studs up, and rakes his back

christ almighty

he gave him a shove in the arse with the underside of his boot, nothing more

monkey9 · 03-02-2009 11:32PM

Helix wrote: »

christ almighty

he gave him a shove in the arse with the underside of his boot, nothing more

Yes or no. Should he have been sent off!

eagle eye · 03-02-2009 11:40PM

monkey9 wrote: »

Yes or no. Should he have been sent off!

I'll answer that, if you want consistency in a game then no.

Gerard should have been gone lone before, theres an argument that he should have been gone with a straight red for kicking the ball at Bosingwa just like Rory Delap the day before, but he also got away without punishment for the tackle on Mikel. And he was rightly yellow carded for the dive.

Basically wtih the exception of the Lampard incident, the referee showed remarkable consistency in that he didn't hand out cards for serious fouls.

Thanx 4 The Fish · 03-02-2009 11:57PM

There is should be no argument that he could have gone for kicking the ball at bosingwa, delap should never have gone for it and there was no way that Gerrard should have either, if you started getting sent off for kicking the ball then there would not be too many players left come the end of a game, regardless of who/where you kick it. You can get a yellow for kicking it away, that is the most that Delpa should have expected.

It does seem that you are letting your Man U tinted spectacles hinder your vision a bit there. If you cannot see that there should have been sanction for Bosingwas actions then you really are not looking for consistencey, you are looking for bias. If somebody did that to Rooney next week you would be screaming for their head and you know you would. Your opinion has nothing to do with consistency and everything to do with not liking Liverpool.

eagle eye · 04-02-2009 12:38AM

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

There is should be no argument that he could have gone for kicking the ball at bosingwa, delap should never have gone for it and there was no way that Gerrard should have either, if you started getting sent off for kicking the ball then there would not be too many players left come the end of a game, regardless of who/where you kick it. You can get a yellow for kicking it away, that is the most that Delpa should have expected.

It does seem that you are letting your Man U tinted spectacles hinder your vision a bit there. If you cannot see that there should have been sanction for Bosingwas actions then you really are not looking for consistencey, you are looking for bias. If somebody did that to Rooney next week you would be screaming for their head and you know you would. Your opinion has nothing to do with consistency and everything to do with not liking Liverpool.

If thats me you are replyng to, you have your facts a bit mixed up, I'm not a United fan by any means.
I don't support any of the big four. I don't have anything against most of the players that play for the 'big four', and especailly Steven Gerard who has been magnificent for Liverpool this season, in fact I dislike more people at United than any other big four club. I just call it as I see it, and Gerard should have got a yellow for that but Delap did get a red the day before so there is a case for it if we want consistency throughout the league. Just to finish on that match, Gerard had three offences in that match that were all yellow cards but he only got one for diving. Theres no bias there on my part, its easy for everyone to see if they look at a replay of the match. Lampard's sending off mistified me, a yellow card was fair there but a red was just crazy. My first instinct was that Bosingwa had to go, I've admitted that already in this thread, but I'm just saying that if you are talking about consistency in a game then Gerard should have been gone long before that, and when he didn't get rid of Gerard then you don't expect action over Bosingwa either.

Xavi6 · 04-02-2009 01:19AM

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

There is should be no argument that he could have gone for kicking the ball at bosingwa, delap should never have gone for it and there was no way that Gerrard should have either, if you started getting sent off for kicking the ball then there would not be too many players left come the end of a game, regardless of who/where you kick it. You can get a yellow for kicking it away, that is the most that Delpa should have expected.

I cannot believe you are saying Delap should have stayed on the pitch. Firstly he chopped SWP from behind deliberately (dirty foul, yellow card offence in itself). Then he proceeded to belt the ball at SWP while he was on the ground. Now by my reckoning that is violent conduct and, if it had been done on it's own, would have been a yellow card.

Combine the two moments of idiocy together and you get a red card. Pretty straight forward decision.

Bosingwa issues apology

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