Infants stabbed at Belgian creche

meathstevie wrote: »

Latest word is that all wounded who required emergency surgery are no longer critical.

That is good to hear.

that place did look like it had a couple of doors to get through al what meathstevie said , but what would the security at your average creche be?

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

Some very crazy people in this world.

May the victims rest in piece.

there are but unfortunatley theese kind of nutters have plenty of rights in todays wooly liberal world , years ago , nutters were locked up before things like this happned , nowadays you litterally have to kill someone to be locked up against your will , this guy most likely did a certain amount of time for some other indisgression but got out because some liberal civil rights attorney launched an appeal on his behalf

thier was a guy in kildare killed his nephew about 6 yrs ago , remember the brendan o donnell case , guy who killed a mother and child and a priest , guy who murdered all three grew up not far from where one of my uncles lives , he was notorious in the area and a ticking time bomb but as i said , in todays liberal world gone made , psychos cant be touched untill they actually harm someone , i realise long ago people were often put in the big house for simply being an embarrasment to their family but the pendelum has completley swung the other way

I always thought Belgium was a boring country... I guess I was wrong.

irish_bob wrote: »

there are but unfortunatley theese kind of nutters have plenty of rights in todays wooly liberal world , years ago , nutters were locked up before things like this happned , nowadays you litterally have to kill someone to be locked up against your will , this guy most likely did a certain amount of time for some other indisgression but got out because some liberal civil rights attorney launched an appeal on his behalf

thier was a guy in kildare killed his nephew about 6 yrs ago , remember the brendan o donnell case , guy who killed a mother and child and a priest , guy who murdered all three grew up not far from where one of my uncles lives , he was notorious in the area and a ticking time bomb but as i said , in todays liberal world gone made , psychos cant be touched untill they actually harm someone , i realise long ago people were often put in the big house for simply being an embarrasment to their family but the pendelum has completley swung the other way

you do not "literally have to kill someone to be locked up against your will". that's completely inaccurate.

plenty of people are detained against their will every year in ireland because of mental illness, and the vast vast majority of those people have not harmed anyone else, much less killed them.

secondly, the proportion of homicides committed by mentally ill people is actually very low - about 3% of all homicides, although i suspect that number is decreasing further with the rise in gangland killings.

you do not ahve to be "psycho" to kill... the majority of murderers are in fact completely sane.... not mad, but bad.

the murders by mentally ill people tend to get a lot of press, and tend to be sensationaised by the media. there will always be emotive and dramatic headlines like "knife wielding psycho", "crazed killer", "madman on the loose" etc. and of course the public feels at risk, because in theory it could happen any of us, we could all fall prey to a "nutter". most of the general public feel distanced form gangland killings, they wont affect most people. the fear of the "lunatic at large" however resonates within us all.

but the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of homicides are not committed by the mentally ill.

it is ludicrous to suggest locking people up indefinitely to prevent something like this happening... what do you use to predict risk, and how far do you cast your net? I have the potential to kill, as do most people.

the mental health act is designed to protect the mentally ill and the public in general. however, it also protects a person's human rights. it is a very serious thing to deprive someone of their liberty, and cannnot be taken lightly.

irish_bob wrote: »

i repeat , you cannot be institutionalised against your will in this country unless you commit a serious offence , thier may be legislation in place that allows the institutionalising of someone against thier will but it is rarely if ever enforced , i know this because i have a relation who is a doctor and the subject actually came up during a conversation one time , she told me no doctor or garda will touch the issue , its different in the uk where the police can what they call section someone , the person is taken to a psychiatric hospital for assessment but is often quickly released , both boxer frank bruno and footballer paul gascoigne were sectioned in the past but quickly released , this does not happen in ireland

LOL!
i am a psychiatrist, and i can tell you that we regularly commit people to hospital against their will, and in teh majority of these cases teh person will not have harmed anybody.

it is incorrect to say it is "rarely" enforced.

it is similar to being sectioned, the terminology is different but the principle is the same.

the guards often act as the instigators, and gp's are very familiar with having to provide an opinion.

it is not at all uncommon.


you use the term "institutionalised".... i am not sure exactly what you mean by that. If you mean involuntary admission, then you are incorrect in your statement.

if you mean lifelong involunatry admission/incarceration, then yes, it is correct to say that this is rare. as it should be. most mental illnesses have acute phases/relapses.... when these are treated it is generally unnecessary for people to remain in hospital. you cannot lock someone up for life because they may at some point in teh future become unwell again, and may at that point be a risk to someone else.

if thats going to be your logic, you may as well lock every single person up, because like it or not, we all have the potential to become mentally ill, and therefore have the potential to pose a risk to someone....

if you're interested in reading further about it, have a look at the mental health commission's website.