The best way to stop Gangland Murders

Rob_l · 11-11-2008 06:04PM

Relevant wrote: »

See above

I do see above but I dont see that stopping anyone the link is too indirect for the majority to feel any shame in buying any of the mentioned goods and also most of the goods provided by these criminal gangs are addictive substances so the users have a need for them, simply telling people they are helping criminals wont help because in buying these goods these people are themselves criminals due to the legality of these same substances/goods.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 11-11-2008 06:07PM

Organised crime is probably the worst downside of democracy. We can't just lock people up for 25years with no trial that would just be facism.

Perhaps legalising some drugs would help but I reckon cocaine is causing the most problems, and I'd never allow that to be legalised.

Turd Ferguson · 11-11-2008 06:17PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Perhaps legalising some drugs would help but I reckon cocaine is causing the most problems, and I'd never allow that to be legalised.

If thats causing the most problems then why would you not legalise that?
I'm no saying we should, but why the double standards or "legalise this, but not that"?

seamus · 11-11-2008 06:19PM

FWIW, the vast bulk of illegal drugs on the market have been produced in a lab or are variants of less potent substances which have modified or "topped up" in a lab.

Modern cocaine and heroin for example were known in far less potent forms for hundreds of years, but it's only since the industrial revolution that the more addictive and potent forms have emerged.

So the "thousands of years" argument is really a pile of bull****.

I would support the legalisation of marijuana, purely on the basis of it being relatively unprocessed when it gets to you. I wouldn't support the legalisation of the vast majority of other drugs and any more than I would support the legalisation of alcohol in a powdered, snuff-like form.

CiaranC · 11-11-2008 06:20PM

Relevant wrote: »

Seperate argument...
The fact of the matter is Guinness isn't illegal. Criminal Gangs aren't making money on it (unless they have shares in Diageo)

Are you willing to agree that when you buy drugs you are giving money to these criminal gangs or are you just going to pass the buck?

I was using the illustration of making Guinness illegal to illustrate the point that making something illegal isnt going to stop anyone doing it, and that that will result in criminal enterprise springing up around it.

Yes certainly I agree buying drugs gives money to criminal gangs. Short of producing them ourselves, how else are we to obtain them?

Sean Quagmire · 11-11-2008 06:22PM

this gun is designed to take down todays super gangsters

topper75 · 11-11-2008 06:23PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

We can't just lock people up for 25years with no trial that would just be facism.

Yeah! I'd say the Geoghagan family in LImerick are thrilled they don't live in a fascist state.

CiaranC · 11-11-2008 06:25PM

seamus wrote: »

FWIW, the vast bulk of illegal drugs on the market have been produced in a lab or are variants of less potent substances which have modified or "topped up" in a lab.

Modern cocaine and heroin for example were known in far less potent forms for hundreds of years, but it's only since the industrial revolution that the more addictive and potent forms have emerged.

The raw coca leaf is as potent as street grade cocaine here. Pure opium is stronger than street grade heroin. Neither go anywhere near a lab, and have roots back to ancient South American and Chinese cultures. Both are made more potent to aid in smuggling smaller quantities and reducing risk of such, then bulked back up at street level so dosages are similar. So the point stands.

Run_to_da_hills · 11-11-2008 06:25PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

We can't just lock people up for 25years with no trial that would just be facism.

Perhaps legalising some drugs would help but I reckon cocaine is causing the most problems, and I'd never allow that to be legalised.

We can't also just tap and record private mobile phone conversations, text messages, Emails, ISP data, browsing records and media censorship etc because that would also be just fascism :rolleyes:

Bottle_of_Smoke · 11-11-2008 06:31PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

We can't also just tap and record private mobile phone conversations, text messages, Emails, ISP data, browsing records and media censorship etc because that would also be just fascism :rolleyes:

I more meant in the sense that Brian Cowen could decide he wants the opposition thrown in prison if he thought they were going to win election, not the act itself

Turd Ferguson wrote:

If thats causing the most problems then why would you not legalise that?
I'm no saying we should, but why the double standards or "legalise this, but not that"?

I think more people would be doing it than are now and it causes far more harm than cannibis/mdma

_blank_ · 11-11-2008 06:55PM

These people are scum.

It's time for Vigilante groups to be set up, take the power back.

Because the Gardaí, the Judiciary and the Government clearly don't have power any more.

villager · 11-11-2008 07:23PM

Des wrote: »

These people are scum.

It's time for Vigilante groups to be set up, take the power back.

Because the Gardaí, the Judiciary and the Government clearly don't have power any more.

the gardai have powers to arrest and question but do not not have the power to make people talk or give evidence. have heard it on regular occasions of these scumbags sitting in an interview and just staring at a point on a wall or just constantly giving no comment interviews. and then when the users r distributors are arrested with drugs they are **** scared to rat out the mr big.

Morlar · 11-11-2008 07:30PM

Relevant wrote: »

The best way to stop Gangland Murders

One way is for the judges in Ireland to stop falling for sob stories and handing down suspended sentences. Zero tolerance and mandatory sentences. The only time EVER people should recieve a suspended sentence (if at all) is on their first offence. Zero tolerance and 3 strikes rule for violent offenders are worth trying in my view. We have tried the softly softly approach (through light or suspended sentencing) and it doesnt work.

Take a life and you go to prison for the rest of YOUR Life - meaning you will only ever get out the day you die. That will give some people a reason to at least think twice before shooting somone.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 11-11-2008 09:40PM

Des wrote: »

These people are scum.

It's time for Vigilante groups to be set up, take the power back.

Because the Gardaí, the Judiciary and the Government clearly don't have power any more.

There's no heroin in Belfast, so you may have a point.

Aidric · 11-11-2008 10:04PM

My first proposal would be to petrol bomb every knacker caravan and halting site in the country. Now they may have little to do with city gangland feuds but it would make me feel a lot better.

Holsten · 11-11-2008 10:14PM

Aidric wrote: »

My first proposal would be to petrol bomb every knacker caravan and halting site in the country. Now they may have little to do with city gangland feuds but it would make me feel a lot better.

Hahahah!

Feckin' pikeys!

marcsignal · 11-11-2008 10:41PM

"The best way to stop Gangland Murders"

The solution's as easy as 1 2 3

Job Done

brendansmith · 11-11-2008 10:43PM

with hatchet, axe and saw!

stovelid · 11-11-2008 10:47PM

Aidric wrote: »

My first proposal would be to petrol bomb every knacker caravan and halting site in the country.

It would be impractical to firebomb an entire city of Limerick's size though?

Sharpshooter · 11-11-2008 10:58PM

Morlar wrote: »

One way is for the judges in Ireland to stop falling for sob stories and handing down suspended sentences. Zero tolerance and mandatory sentences. The only time EVER people should recieve a suspended sentence (if at all) is on their first offence. Zero tolerance and 3 strikes rule for violent offenders are worth trying in my view. We have tried the softly softly approach (through light or suspended sentencing) and it doesnt work.

Take a life and you go to prison for the rest of YOUR Life - meaning you will only ever get out the day you die. That will give some people a reason to at least think twice before shooting somone.

Or drop them all off on a remote island to fend for themselves, and have a helicopter drop off bags of weapons ( enough for everyone ) , and leave them to it.
Mix like with like and the numbers wouldn't be long dwindling.

Amazotheamazing · 11-11-2008 11:10PM

I dunno, I suspect the Gardai are happy enough as long as they are just going to kill each other and remained locked into a few dismal estates in Limerick and Dublin. When the Dublin gangs were destroyed, gangs from Limerick took over, if Limerick gangs are destroyed, it could easily be a gang from Cork, Galway or wherever. There will always be gangs as long as there is demand for it.

Soby · 22-01-2009 06:04PM

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Or drop them all off on a remote island to fend for themselves, and have a helicopter drop off bags of weapons ( enough for everyone ) , and leave them to it.
Mix like with like and the numbers wouldn't be long dwindling.

We can make our own version of "Lost":)

Zangetsu · 22-01-2009 06:13PM

Relevant wrote: »

But the people who buy the drugs that fund the gangs are entirely innocent?

Yes.

Insect Overlord · 22-01-2009 06:23PM

Zangetsu wrote: »

Yes.

LoL.

It was suggested a few years ago that Limerick's gangs should be let stand at either end of Thomond Park with as much weaponry as they liked, last man standing wins/goes to prison.
Of course you couldn't say that these days. The stadium is too valuable now!

Ross_Mahon · 22-01-2009 06:32PM

Cut the head of the snake, And The snake will die...

Insect Overlord · 22-01-2009 06:34PM

Ross_Mahon wrote: »

Cut the head of the snake, And The snake will die...

That doesn't work with worms though. Or cockroaches.

ayapatrick · 22-01-2009 07:17PM

shot on the spot??

Fuzzballs · 22-01-2009 07:25PM

The best way was to always treat these crimes as murder. And pursue like any murder case. To late now. This Irish notion of let all the scumbags kill each other is just so idiotic. What we have done is let these criminals know they can murder somebody and get away with it. And that is what they are doing. People used to get shot if they were Mr Big. Now its over €500 debts. Coincidence. I dont think so. They know the murder will not be investigated properly and have nearly a 100% of not getting caught.

Zascar · 22-01-2009 07:34PM

Relevant wrote: »

There's only one way to ultimately solve the issue and that is to remove the environment that these people operate in.

By that I mean, the wider public need to take a good hard look at themselves and decide if they want to leave it as acceptable to consume recreational drugs such as cannabis, ecstasy, cocaine etc. at parties and night clubs and what not. Or do they want to stop incidents like this happening. If so, they must condemn this type of activity, not with words but with their own actions. Stop using recreational drugs, stop buying knock off consumer products from the back of trucks etc.

If they do want innocent people dead, then all they need to do is to keep providing these people with the market to supply and the people will keep being killed. But if they don't want innocent people dead, then they must cast aside their old ways.

There's no point in moral indignation on the streets if the people don't want to take action themselves. Their own lifestyle should be the first port of call for analysing. Not scrutiny of the Gardaí or the government or legislation...

So ridiculous. What this person is asking is for humans to fundamentally change the way we are made. We all seek out bigger highs and thrills. Drugs do this quite well.

It's never going to happen.

The Citizen · 23-01-2009 01:46AM

The only way to stop gangland killing is to wipe out the scum. They must be annihilated and their crushing must start from the bottom up. The scum walking the streets of this city, harassing the normals and making life very difficult in these tough economic times. I am at war with the scum with the hope that my work will lead to a day where this country is scum-free and people can once again say they are proud to be Irish.

:mad:

The best way to stop Gangland Murders

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