Court told of support for incest mother by Catholic group

Kat Slater · 22-01-2009 09:24PM

Horribly low sentence for this monster.

The judge was bound by 101 year old sexist legislation, it is disgusting that this woman will be out in 7 years but her children will suffer a life sentence after the treatment they recieved at her hands.

I am really angry about this, not only at hearing what these children had to suffer, but at whoever stood in the way of them being taken into care.:mad::mad::mad:

I just hope that although so much damage has been done, they get some chance at life now.

the_syco · 22-01-2009 09:27PM

Due to a past which took children from their parents and put them into industrial schools, I can't see the rights of "da family" being taken away too fast.

Added to that, it seems that before the social services called over, the place was cleaned, the kids were fed, and told not to say anything to the social welfare people.

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Then in 2000, a High Court injunction prevented them from removing the kids. I'd say there was a few things added regarding how the SW could approach the kids after this. I'd be surprised if there wasn't, as when you win an injunction, it'd be wise to block any possible moves in the future by the opposing party, who in this case would be the SW.

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The SW has f**k all power. They must go through the courts, and yes, if you have enough money, you can quash this. Also, please remember that no judge will want to be seen to have taken children from a "loving family".

Mingey · 22-01-2009 09:51PM

I still say they were more failed by their community than by the state. I don't believe the Social Workers did all they could, but I do believe every person that came into contact with those kids and tut-tutted about the out state they were in and went on about their business could have done a lot more.

Well done to those children who could stand up in court and give evidence against their own Mother.

Kat Slater · 22-01-2009 11:26PM

A couple more interesting links

http://www.angrypotato.net/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=22808.0
http://www.mamanpoulet.com/

K-9 · 22-01-2009 11:30PM

Kat Slater wrote: »

A couple more interesting links

http://www.angrypotato.net/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=22808.0
http://www.mamanpoulet.com/

I really hope she is tracked down and interviewed.

I hope this case highlights the need to report any abuse people see.

Nodin · 22-01-2009 11:33PM

Seanies32 wrote: »

I really hope she is tracked down and interviewed.

Indeed. Sauce for the Bishop should be sauce for the Tridentine after all.

Alessandra · 22-01-2009 11:47PM

Mingey wrote: »

I'd take a guess that there is more than one father, and she probably doesnt know half of them.

She is married:eek:

Four-Too · 23-01-2009 12:53AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Sounds like social services are trying to blame someone else for their own **** up.

What the **** were the rest of the family playing at as well, did their auntie not think to kick the **** out of her sister.

There's a lot more guilty people here than some catholic nutters and a deranged mother.

I know there is always 1 or 2 scumbags in a family tree, but I didn't think the whole fecking plant could be scum. It would be the same feckers that would say they are going to heaven when they die.

Four-Too · 23-01-2009 12:55AM

Kat Slater wrote: »

Horribly low sentence for this monster.

The judge was bound by 101 year old sexist legislation, it is disgusting that this woman will be out in 7 years but her children will suffer a life sentence after the treatment they recieved at her hands.

I am really angry about this, not only at hearing what these children had to suffer, but at whoever stood in the way of them being taken into care.:mad::mad::mad:

I just hope that although so much damage has been done, they get some chance at life now.

It's time to make a killing, sure to make a million

Adiboo · 23-01-2009 02:18AM

Trust the Catholics, eh?

23-01-2009 02:22AM

Finally,Roscommon is more backward than Leitrim!

tvnutz · 23-01-2009 02:33AM

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090122/twl-irish-woman-jailed-for-incest-41f21e0.html

At Roscommon Circuit Court, Judge Miriam Reynolds said she would have given the unnamed woman a life sentence had she been a man but was restricted by the terms of a legal act carrying a maximum sentence of seven years for incest cases involving women.

What bloody sense does that make? After you blame all the people who let it happen,have a look at our great legal system. She only gets 7 years because for some reason incest by a woman is not as bad as incest by a man. Its fecking incest and forced upon the child,regardless of it being a man or woman. Someone needs to look at that law because that's just mad.

K-9 · 23-01-2009 02:38AM

tvnutz wrote: »

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090122/twl-irish-woman-jailed-for-incest-41f21e0.html

What bloody sense does that make? After you blame all the people who let it happen,have a look at our great legal system. She only gets 7 years because for some reason incest by a woman is not as bad as incest by a man. Its fecking incest and forced upon the child,regardless of it being a man or woman. Someone needs to look at that law because that's just mad.

YEP, The judge said that. Awaits Dail response.

Senna · 23-01-2009 03:02AM

Remember that if these kids were animals that were being abused, they would have been taken away far quicker. I think that says it all for the states handling of it and many other similar cases.
Rights of the family is an embedded Irish tradition, but if SW and probably teachers are flagging problem with children, the law should be acting instantly. Mistakes might be made,(but i dont think these professional will make many mistakes when it comes to abuse, incest and neglect), but if their hands are tied and the law is on the families side from the outset, these cases will continue to appear in Ireland

beks101 · 23-01-2009 03:27AM

Just what exactly is it about incest caused by a woman that warrants a maximum of seven years behind bars, while a man can serve life?

Obviously this type of incest is far less common in the Irish courts - this evil bint being the first woman ever to be sentenced for such a crime - and it goes without saying the damage caused by incest is immeasurable, but surely as a woman and a mother, who by nature should be the nurturing, loving caregiver to her children...this is possibly more grave a crime?

What's baffling and just unacceptable to me is the fact that a 101 year old out-of-date law could not be overridden to give this despicable excuse for a human being the sentence she deserves.

The final failure in a long, long list of f@#k ups surrounding this case, in my opinion.

brendansmith · 23-01-2009 03:33AM

Slow Motion wrote: »

TBH I don't see any humour in the above!

+1

23-01-2009 03:48AM

I personally think the amount of Catholic bashing I have come across on boards.ie as a lurker and an active poster in general says a lot more about the people mocking religion and the issues they have with themselves. It's actually quite sad.

brendansmith · 23-01-2009 04:10AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I personally think the amount of Catholic bashing I have come across on boards.ie as a lurker and an active poster in general says a lot more about the people mocking religion and the issues they have with themselves. It's actually quite sad.

Exactly, just because one dosnt embrace catholicism dosnt mean one must fear and torment ones soul with the work of the devil. Dont turn away from the lord jesus christ or thou shall burn for eternily in the lake of fire.

K-9 · 23-01-2009 04:21AM

What has this case got to do with religion, barring some religious nut putting the fight against the state ahead of the childrens welfare?

Madame Razz · 23-01-2009 09:05AM

Yesterday is the tip of the iceberg with regard to this case; as we will all see in the coming weeks/months.

Nodin · 23-01-2009 09:33AM

It would appear slightly more has emerged about who exactly the 'Right wing catholic' bit refers to....

A RELIGIOUS activist who supported the house-of-horrors mother refused to explain why when confronted yesterday.
Well-known right-wing campaigner Mena Bean Ui Chribin (81) contacted a childcare manager and said the family needed support and not intrusive action by the health board.

"I am not confirming or denying anything," she said. "I have nothing to say, absolutely nothing," she said in the post office in Santry, north Dublin, where she is postmistress.
Bean Ui Chribin is understood to have been representing a right-wing Catholic group, Ograchas Naoimh Papain, based in Santry, when she wrote the letter to the health board.

The Blueshirt

It should be pointed that this person isn't affiliated to the church, but to the Tridentine lot. "Ograchas Naoimh Papain" scored 0 hits save the article posted above. It may well be that it could hold its AGM in a phone box.

walshb · 23-01-2009 10:14AM

Slow Motion wrote: »

Seven fcuking years! A man could be sentenced for life, but 7 is the max for a woman:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I have heard this before; but really, men have committed even worse crimes against their children and received similar sentences. This woman is deranged and needs to be kept away from children. I just don't buy the whole, "If it was a man, he would get life."

This country's justice system is a sham and very very few get the sentence they deserve!

7 is the max in this case; that doesn't mean a woman cannot get a longer sentence.

The courts hand out lenient sentences to both sexes! The whole system stinks!

Even MURDER doesn't guarantee a person will spend long
behind bars!

seamus · 23-01-2009 10:36AM

beks101 wrote: »

Just what exactly is it about incest caused by a woman that warrants a maximum of seven years behind bars, while a man can serve life?

It's got nothing to do with incest at all. That's been all mixed up in the case.

The maximum penalty for incest is 3 years, afair and applies whether or not you had sex with a parent, child or sibling, over or under the age of consent.. However, that's irrelevant. What she did was child sexual abuse and statutory rape. I think it's one of those which carries a maximum of life for the man, though I could be mistaken.

walshb · 23-01-2009 10:56AM

The crime of rape carries a possible life sentence for a man or woman. It's just that a woman rarely rarely ever gets convicted for rape; as women generally do not rape.

Bottom line is that when ever did a man or woman receive a LIFE sentence in this country for rape? I'm sure there have been a few handed down for a serial rapist and rape with other circumstances too. But, the general run of the mill, not to down play rape at all, will see a man serve feck all in prison. And even heinous rape crimes with extreme
violence will not see a stiff sentence. The law is an ass!

Sowra · 23-01-2009 12:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I personally think the amount of Catholic bashing I have come across on boards.ie as a lurker and an active poster in general says a lot more about the people mocking religion and the issues they have with themselves. It's actually quite sad.

oh please.for someone to say something like that, after years of the catholic church having this country under its thumb in EVERY way (media, reproduction, politics..)that, imo is 'actually quite sad'

its not 'catholic bashing' or 'mocking religion'.People are taking issue with the catholic church, the authorities of catholicism in ireland, and what they did to keep these children from getting help.

the fact that the abuse of these poor kids was helped to be covered up by this organisation in only the LAST TEN YEARS is a testament to the fact that we are not yet as free from their control and interferance as we should be

Madame Razz · 23-01-2009 12:22PM

Sowra wrote: »

oh please.for someone to say something like that, after years of the catholic church having this country under its thumb in EVERY way (media, reproduction, politics..)that, imo is 'actually quite sad'

its not 'catholic bashing' or 'mocking religion'.People are taking issue with the catholic church, the authorities of catholicism in ireland, and what they did to keep these children from getting help.

the fact that the abuse of these poor kids was helped to be covered up by this organisation in only the LAST TEN YEARS is a testament to the fact that we are not yet as free from their control and interferance as we should be

Correct me if i am wrong but i don't actually think that the group who are believed to have helped this monsterous woman are in fact affiliated to the Catholic church. I think that they are affiliated to the Tridentine/Latin mass cultesque crowd, who afaik, are denounced by the actual Catholic church.

i'm not defending the church or anything; merely pointing out that I do not think they can be blamed for the actions of an extreme right wing group that they do not approve of.

Acacia · 23-01-2009 12:28PM

Stories like this make me so sad for people I know who would make great parents, but are unable to have kids.

Yet there are sickos out there who treat children like animals and they're allowed to keep them.

Dyr · 23-01-2009 01:05PM

actually i know who this mina bean ui cribín is, ran a breakway gaelscoil out our way because the other original one wasn't hardcore religious enough....a headbanger.

And it's a bit rich to lay it at the catholic churches feet, she broke away from them for one of the loonier catholic outfits a good while ago

Slow Motion · 23-01-2009 01:53PM

walshb wrote: »

I have heard this before; but really, men have committed even worse crimes against their children and received similar sentences. This woman is deranged and needs to be kept away from children. I just don't buy the whole, "If it was a man, he would get life."

This country's justice system is a sham and very very few get the sentence they deserve!

7 is the max in this case; that doesn't mean a woman cannot get a longer sentence.

The courts hand out lenient sentences to both sexes! The whole system stinks!

Even MURDER doesn't guarantee a person will spend long
behind bars!

It was the judge who pointed this out, giving the impression that he would have given a longer sentence if he could! The other thing that I don't understand perhaps someone with more of a legal understanding can clarify is why if she was convicted for multiple crimes was she not given consecutive (sp) sentences thereby resulting in longer jail time?

tech77 · 23-01-2009 01:56PM

Acacia wrote: »

Stories like this make me so sad for people I know who would make great parents, but are unable to have kids. Yet there are sickos out there who treat children like animals and they're allowed to keep them.

Absolutely.
Cruelly ironic and unfair.
It makes you despair sometimes.

Court told of support for incest mother by Catholic group

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