The Problem with Rafa Benitez...

deadhead13 · 22-01-2009 01:16PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

MO'N is a great manager. No football person would ever say otherwise, and he's a cut about Benitez.

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2 La liga titles, 1 uefa cap, 1 CL and 1 FA would say otherwise.

eagle eye · 22-01-2009 01:18PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Is this not "trolling"? Pathetic post.

You say this^^^^ after you posted this??????????????????

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Take that spoon out of Rafa's ass!!!

PHB · 22-01-2009 01:19PM

I think Lucas is a good player. People are so willing to write off young players these days, same with Nani at United. He's young, has shown signs of talent, but not consistantly. He still has time to develop. People forget that Rooney, Ronaldo, Fabregas, Torres are exceptions to the rule. Most players don't start to reach their peak until 26 onwards

jesus_thats_gre · 22-01-2009 01:19PM

latchyco wrote: »

The question remains ,was Robbie Keane a bad buy by Rafa ?

Far too many rumours circulating that Rafa didn't actually want Keane to be signed and that Parry pushed it.

Helix · 22-01-2009 01:19PM

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

Liverpool are second in the league

1.......Man Utd.... 21.... 47
2...... Liverpool.... 22.... 47

stupid thread

and villa are only 3 points behind

we play on tuesday next week, a win will bring us level with pool as theyre not playing afaik, then we play the following saturday against wigan, where anything at all will put us ahead with pool playing chelsea the next day

i wouldnt be claiming league position as making benitez a great manager to be perfectly honest

Headshot · 22-01-2009 01:19PM

latchyco wrote: »

The question remains ,was Robbie Keane a bad buy by Rafa ?

of course he wasn't
he wasnt the type of striker pool wanted imo

during the euros torres and villa had a brilliant connection

and since Torres is best friends with David Villa, it might have tempt villa to pool

Chardee MacDennis · 22-01-2009 01:20PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

MO'N is a class act. Surely Utd have their eye on him as a longterm replacement for Sir Rednose.

pretty sure you are wrong here and it is Mourinho who is being looked at to replace ferguson. cue another fail image...

ButcherOfNog · 22-01-2009 01:20PM

Buying the highly rated top scorer in the Dutch league, and the full back who was rated as one of the best defenders in Serie A were obvisously transfer mistakes that no sane person would be involved with. Also, our 4th choice center midfielder is not good enough. It's wonderful that someone finally told us why we as a club, are having such a terrible season.

Thanks for this information, we'll print your post out and forward it on to the club owners. We'll be in touch, you're feedback and football knowledge is invaluable to us.

deadhead13 · 22-01-2009 01:21PM

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

of course he wasn't
he wasnt the type of striker pool wanted imo

during the euros torres and villa had a brilliant connection

and since Torres is best friends with David Villa, it might have tempt villa to pool

He would have cost £30m at least

Headshot · 22-01-2009 01:22PM

deadhead13 wrote: »

He would have cost £30m at least

so what you already spent 20 somthing million on Keane

and liverpool had the money to buy Barry

The Chessplayer · 22-01-2009 01:24PM

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

Liverpool are second in the league

1.......Man Utd.... 21.... 47
2...... Liverpool.... 22.... 47

stupid thread

HANG ON A SECOND....

We drew at home to Hull, West Ham, Stoke and Fulham.

We should be clear by a country mile. United have been riddled with injuries, and Chelsea have had internal strife, meanwhile Arsenal lost Fabregas etc.

STOKE. Nil all. 9 days before the derby. Lucas. Kuyt up front alone. Keane doesn't even get a run out? Cop on to yourself!

deadhead13 · 22-01-2009 01:25PM

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

so what you already spent 20 somthing million on Keane

and liverpool had the money to buy Barry

What you believe G&H? Bollox.

Chardee MacDennis · 22-01-2009 01:25PM

also regarding Lucas:

The Bola de Ouro (Golden Ball) is an award given each year, since 1973, by the authoritative Brazilian magazine Placar to the best player in the Brazilian National Championship. It is practically the equivalent to a Footballer of the Year award. It is based on accrued points which players are given according to their performance after each matchday.

Winners

* 2008 : Rogério Ceni (São Paulo FC)
* 2007 : Thiago Neves (Fluminense)
* 2006 : Lucas (Grêmio)
* 2005 : Carlos Tévez (Corinthians)
* 2004 : Robinho (Santos FC)
* 2003 : Alex (Fenerbahce)
* 2002 : Kaká (São Paulo FC)
* 2001 : Alex Mineiro (Atlético Paranaense)
* 2000 : Romario (Vasco da Gama)
* 1999 : Marcelinho (Corinthians)
* 1998 : Edilson (Corinthians)
* 1997 : Edmundo (Vasco da Gama)
* 1996 : Djalminha (Palmeiras)
* 1995 : Giovanni (Santos FC)
* 1994 : Amoroso (Guarani)
* 1993 : César Sampaio (Palmeiras)
* 1992 : Júnior (Flamengo)
* 1991 : Mauro Silva (Bragantino)
* 1990 : César Sampaio (Santos FC)

i know its not a complete defence of him, but if a player who has won this award os one of the worst Liverpool signings ever, it says someting about the calibre of player we sign!!

Latchy · 22-01-2009 01:29PM

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Far too many rumours circulating that Rafa didn't actually want Keane to be signed and that Parry pushed it.

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

of course he wasn't
he wasnt the type of striker pool wanted imo

during the euros torres and villa had a brilliant connection

and since Torres is best friends with David Villa, it might have tempt villa to pool

No doubting the quality of Robbie Keane but it's just not happening for him at Liverpool and you get the feeling it wont .

ntlbell · 22-01-2009 01:30PM

BastardPrince wrote: »

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Winners

* 2008 : Rogério Ceni (São Paulo FC)
* 2007 : Thiago Neves (Fluminense)
* 2006 : Lucas (Grêmio)

It makes no difference.

for a true reflection, why don't you look back through liverpool match threads.

notice the amount of liverpool fans constantly complain about his contribution I can't think of a game where he played and the thread wasn't full of bad vibes towards his play from LIVERPOOL fans.

"he looks lost"

is usually the most common one.

what he has done previous is not relevant he's not doing it in the premiership I've seen bats with better vision..

The Chessplayer · 22-01-2009 01:31PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You say this^^^^ after you posted this??????????????????

I'm here to discuss Benitez's peformance by making points, however informed or ill-informed they are judged to be. The important thing is that it is clearly defined criticism, rather than idiotic "FAIL" retorts etc by childish Benitez loyalists.

I'm not a supporter of Benitez, and I don't think he is the Messiah.

eagle eye · 22-01-2009 01:31PM

I feel the Big Lock coming soon.

Chardee MacDennis · 22-01-2009 01:33PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

I'm here to discuss Benitez's peformance by making points, however informed or ill-informed they are judged to be. The important thing is that it is clearly defined criticism, rather than idiotic "FAIL" retorts etc by childish Benitez loyalists.

I'm not a supporter of Benitez, and I don't think he is the Messiah.

i believe we resorted to the fail posts after your "take that spoon out of benitez's ass" comment, you only have your self to blame or was that "clearly defined criticism" as well....

deadhead13 · 22-01-2009 01:33PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

I'm here to discuss Benitez's peformance by making points, however informed or ill-informed they are judged to be. The important thing is that it is clearly defined criticism, rather than idiotic "FAIL" retorts etc by childish Benitez loyalists.

I'm not a supporter of Benitez, and I don't think he is the Messiah.

What???

eagle eye · 22-01-2009 01:33PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

I'm here to discuss Benitez's peformance by making points, however informed or ill-informed they are judged to be. The important thing is that it is clearly defined criticism, rather than idiotic "FAIL" retorts etc by childish Benitez loyalists.

I'm not a supporter of Benitez, and I don't think he is the Messiah.

Well if you read my posts on him you'd know I'm not but I put it in one post at a relevant time and my point is made as a true football fan, not a troll trying to agitate people especially with the thread title, when this should have been one post in the Liverpool thread.

The Chessplayer · 22-01-2009 01:34PM

BastardPrince wrote: »

also regarding Lucas:

The Bola de Ouro (Golden Ball) is an award given each year, since 1973, by the authoritative Brazilian magazine Placar to the best player in the Brazilian National Championship. It is practically the equivalent to a Footballer of the Year award. It is based on accrued points which players are given according to their performance after each matchday.

Winners

* 2008 : Rogério Ceni (São Paulo FC)
* 2007 : Thiago Neves (Fluminense)
* 2006 : Lucas (Grêmio)
* 2005 : Carlos Tévez (Corinthians)
* 2004 : Robinho (Santos FC)

i know its not a complete defence of him, but if a player who has won this award os one of the worst Liverpool signings ever, it says someting about the calibre of player we sign!!

Listen, Bastard Prince, I don't doubt Lucas's potential, and on paper he looks like a great signing.

We're trying to win the league. Right now, at this minute, he is not ready.

deisedevil · 22-01-2009 01:35PM

Highsider wrote: »

Yes

Beats me why Pool fans say they wouldn't like to see him go if he wins nothing this season. That would be 4 seasons in a row with nothing for the trophy cabinet. For a so called big club that's not good enough I think anyways.

Some here saying MO'N not as good a manager as Benitez, I'll guarentee you this much theres no Man Utd fan that would choose Benitez as next manager over M'ON.

Headshot · 22-01-2009 01:37PM

heres Rafa

The Chessplayer · 22-01-2009 01:40PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well if you read my posts on him you'd know I'm not but I put it in one post at a relevant time and my point is made as a true football fan, not a troll trying to agitate people especially with the thread title, when this should have been one post in the Liverpool thread.

I'm not a troll and I'm not trying to agitate people. I'm a football man and a lifelong red. End of story.

This thread is entirely justified, and, evidently, other people agree judging by the number of posts - and yes alot of them are from Benitez supporters.

Alot of what Rafa does and did is good, but his erratic behaviour is bloody infuriating.

Liverpool 0-0 Stoke.

eagle eye · 22-01-2009 01:46PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

I'm not a troll and I'm not trying to agitate people. I'm a football man and a lifelong red. End of story.

This thread is entirely justified, and, evidently, other people agree judging by the number of posts - and yes alot of them are from Benitez supporters.

Alot of what Rafa does and did is good, but his erratic behaviour is bloody infuriating.

Liverpool 0-0 Stoke.

yeah, annoyed Liverpool fans, you could have put it in the Liverpool thread. All you are doing by putting it here is allowing yourself some backup from the anti Liverpool brigade.

Anyways I'm not contributing to this anymore. I'm just reporting it and hope it gets locked. I've more respect for the real Liverpool fans than to be a part of this troll thread.

Boggles · 22-01-2009 01:49PM

eagle eye wrote: »

yeah, annoyed Liverpool fans, you could have put it in the Liverpool thread. All you are doing by putting it here is allowing yourself some backup from the anti Liverpool brigade.

Anyways I'm not contributing to this anymore. I'm just reporting it and hope it gets locked. I've more respect for the real Liverpool fans than to be a part of this troll thread.

Did you report your own posts?

Reganio 2 · 22-01-2009 01:50PM

deisedevil wrote: »

If Rafa had not won the CL would he still be manager now?

If Fergie hadn't won the Premiership however many times and the Champions League however many times would he still be manager?

Silly question

SWAR · 22-01-2009 01:50PM

deisedevil wrote: »

Beats me why Pool fans say they wouldn't like to see him go if he wins nothing this season. That would be 4 seasons in a row with nothing for the trophy cabinet. For a so called big club that's not good enough I think anyways.

Some here saying MO'N not as good a manager as Benitez, I'll guarentee you this much theres no Man Utd fan that would choose Benitez as next manager over M'ON.

FA Cup 2005 - 06.

Anyway, I'm not quite sure if this topic merited its own thread...actually no I don't think it did.

However, I think the OP has made some decent points...all be it blown out of proportion a bit. Rafa does tend to persist with players...and I think Kuyt is a perfect example. The guy is not good enough if you ask me. In saying that I would not include Lucas or Dosenna in that category. Lucas is still young and let's face it if Mascherano was having a good season, he wuoldn't be getting the game time he has been getting. As for Dossenna, he is still only adapting to lfe in the premiership. I don't think Evra was an instant success.

I admire Rafa for his managerial skills and for what he has done for the club; however I do not agree with his team selections a lot of the time...then again I'm not the manager. In saying that I am not calling for his head.

Comparing Rafa and MON is pointless...don't get me wrong MON is a class act and I love the way his teams play football and the passion he has. Pretty much the opposite to Rafa; however both seem to work.

deisedevil · 22-01-2009 01:51PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

HANG ON A SECOND....

We drew at home to Hull, West Ham, Stoke and Fulham.

We should be clear by a country mile. United have been riddled with injuries, and Chelsea have had internal strife, meanwhile Arsenal lost Fabregas etc.

STOKE. Nil all. 9 days before the derby. Lucas. Kuyt up front alone. Keane doesn't even get a run out? Cop on to yourself!

Spot on! Chelsea, Man U, and Arsenal have all been very poor this season. In recent seasons at least one of these teams if not two have been showing some great form, none of them were this season until Utd started to string some wins together at last (even still playing poor but grabbing 1-0's similar to those that Pool left behind them). Pool could never have had a better chance of winning the league, all in their own hands, could have been 6-9points clear and where are they now? What have they been like recently, a bloody shambles with a manager who launches a ridiculous attack on Fergie who probably deserves a tongue lashing but even with research and documents he made a mess of it (hypocritical all over the place) and what did he gain from it for Liverpool, sweet f*** all. Now he publicly brings up his contract negotiations, is any of his recent ventures into the media really to the benefit of Pool or is it to the benefit of Rafa? Cause it's not exactly helping the team on the field, Benitez and his media s*** storms are a right nuisance for the club, they aren't exactly improving anything. Bad judgement.

eagle eye · 22-01-2009 01:55PM

Reganio 2 wrote: »

If Fergie hadn't won the Premiership however many times and the Champions League however many times would he still be manager?

Silly question

Bah, I have to answer this though.

Alex Ferguson was seven years at United before he won a League. And he was almost gone but for an FA Cup win in 1990, four years after he joined the club. Thats all he won in his first five years, one FA Cup.

The Problem with Rafa Benitez...

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