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Court told of support for incest mother by Catholic group

  • 22-01-2009 11:45AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/0122/1232474673365.html?via=mr

    Phookin repugnant. 4 more years of abuse that this anonymous organisation has indirectly inflicted on those poor kids.:mad:

    Religion gone bonkers!
    SOCIAL WORKERS believe that a mother who subjected her children to incest and serious neglect received support from “a Catholic right-wing organisation” when she got a High Court injunction in 2000 to stop the children from being placed in the care of relatives.

    Roscommon Circuit Court yesterday heard horrific details about the plight of the six children who, despite coming to the notice of social workers in 1996, were not into taken into care until 2004.

    One of the children was sexually abused by his mother, while all of the family were forced to live in filthy conditions without adequate food, clothing or heating.

    Judge Miriam Reynolds asked why eight years elapsed during which social workers and home helps regularly visited the home before the children were removed from “what seems to have been an awful household”.

    Tadgh Guider, a social work team leader, said there was concern about the family but the mother became involved with “a Catholic right-wing organisation” which provided her with financial support in her successful bid to get a High Court injunction. He said after this court case there was a certain amount of caution about how to approach the family.

    Mr Guider said efforts would have been made to talk to the children and to neighbours in order to build up the case for getting a care order.

    After a brief adjournment granted to allow health officials to get details of the High Court order, the judge was told that a voluntary arrangement had been brokered in September 2000 which would have allowed the children to be placed in the care of relatives. But then, in a “bolt from the blue” in October, the mother had gone to the High Court and got an order restraining the then Western Health Board from placing the children in the care of relatives.

    Paddy Gannon, a childcare manager, said he was contacted by a woman called Mina Bean Uí Chroibín around the time of the application and she said that it was support the family needed, not intrusive action by the health board. He had no evidence that she was involved in the court application but he suspected it.

    One of the children read a victim impact statement to the court about the terrible effect his mother’s action had on his life. He said he never had a childhood and always felt different to other children. He could never forgive her for what she had done.

    The woman has pleaded guilty to two counts of incest committed in June 2004 and on a date unknown between July and October 2004. She has also pleaded guilty to two charges of sexual abuse against this son on the same dates and to neglecting and ill treating each of her six children from 1998 to 2004 .


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Sick people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Obviously they were fine with it as she was not using contraception.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    More on this story
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0122/1232474672717.html
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0122/1232474672721.html
    THE MOTHER of six children who were forced to live in a filthy home, where mice ran on top of urine-drenched beds and where there was rarely food, is due to be sentenced today. She has pleaded guilty to two counts of incest and two charges of sexual abuse against a son, and also to neglecting and ill-treating each of her children from 1998 to 2004.

    Roscommon Circuit Court heard yesterday that the children had head lice so big that they ran down their faces.

    The children also had fleas and were taunted at school and on the bus because they smelled as their clothes were never washed.

    The children, who are now aged from 10 to 19, are living in three separate foster homes, having been taken into care in 2004.

    Their plight came to the attention of the Garda after the oldest child made certain disclosures to social workers in 2004.

    He told gardaí that the house was cold, the walls were damp, the range in the kitchen was lit about once a month, that all the rooms were “kips” that there was rubbish strewn everywhere, that bedclothes were never changed even though two of the children wet the bed, and that his mother regularly went out drinking, sometimes until 3am or 4am.

    He said that social workers and home helps used to come to the house and that the mother made the children tidy up before these visits. The court heard that the cups were taken out and that food was bought for these visits.

    Judge Miriam Reynolds heard that so much rubbish was dumped in a shed at the back of the house that it was falling out the door and that the cats used to leave dead rats at the back door.

    Five rats were piled up at the door on one occasion.

    A series of photographs were shown to the judge illustrating the filth in the house.

    Sgt John Hynes said that it seemed that nothing was ever thrown out, kitchen utensils were never washed, the bathroom was in an appalling state, the toilet was never flushed and dirty water was left in the sink. It was not possible to see the kitchen table because of the dirt. Clothes were never washed and were packed into bags.

    One of the woman’s daughters told Sgt Hynes that she was sometimes slapped on the bare bum. Sometimes there was no food for breakfast and no food when they got home from school. The beds were never changed and were smelly.

    Her mother used to go to the pub and was drunk when she got home. She said that on the school bus other children said they were smelly and would not let them sit down.

    Another child told gardaí they were bullied at school. Nobody wanted to sit beside them because they were smelly. Once another child drew a picture of a monkey and put her name on it.

    She could feel head lice crawling down her face and she tried to snatch them off so no one would see them. Her mother told her not to tie up her hair so no one would see the lice.

    When she scratched her head she could see head lice and dirt under her nails. There was never heating in the house – just a fire in the sitting room if her mother was there.

    The child said she was afraid to go out in the dark to get coal when her mother was out in the pub. Sometimes the bread was green and she could not eat breakfast but some of the younger children would eat it. The milk was often sour. There were maggots in clothes and her mother found two dead mice under the bed.

    Her older brothers used to watch naked women on the television when her mother wasn’t there and they would not let the smaller children into the room, the court heard.

    Another child said that their mother was sometimes so drunk when she came home that she staggered and they did not understand what she was saying.

    Judge Reynolds was told that the defendant’s sister told gardaí that she had always been selfish and did not care about anyone else as long as she got what she wanted.

    She said that when the children visited her she would take them shopping and give them money for sweets but they spent it on food like tins of salmon which they would bring home to the rest of the children.

    A foster mother who in 2004 looked after five of the children said that all their clothes had to be burnt. One child was wearing shoes which were two sizes too small when he arrived. All were infested with head lice.

    The court heard that the mother estimated that she got up to €900 in children’s allowance and most of that was spent on drink. She admitted that her children were left hungry and sometimes they were blue with the cold.

    They got a proper dinner on the two days a week that social workers called.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭PrivateEye


    They're becoming seriously irritated with their lack of influence in Ireland today, a few weeks back I seen Yoof Defence leafleting in town and people openly telling them to 'fcuk off with the dinosaurs' and the like.
    Undoubtably the most disturbing news story I've heard in a long time, I don't know if I even like the idea of it being discussed in After Hours. No mother on this earth you'd think.....

    Whoever they are, it highlights their extremism in its ugliest form, and slaps a nice big 'mentalist' sticker across them too. Why can they not name the organisation?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Slow Motion


    TBH I don't see any humour in the above!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 432 ✭✭Mingey


    Surely the teachers would have noticed that there are ongoing problems in the household?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Sounds like social services are trying to blame someone else for their own **** up.

    What the **** were the rest of the family playing at as well, did their auntie not think to kick the **** out of her sister.

    There's a lot more guilty people here than some catholic nutters and a deranged mother.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Slow Motion


    I thought my sense of humour was as sick and twisted as anyone elses, aparently not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    If this is the Catholic group I am thinking of, then even the Church don't get on with them.

    It's like the Lisbon Treaty:
    Bishops - Nothing to do with abortion, make up your own minds.
    Certain Groups - Abortion for all from Lisbon!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Raiser


    Strange that - can't imagine why the Catholic Church would have supported child sexual abuse........

    - Oh wait - I forgot for a moment that they're the Planets top paedophile organisation.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    I thought my sense of humour was as sick and twisted as anyone elses, aparently not.

    Well consider the base level response to anything among my friends is "go and **** your mother in the shower", i cannot be blamed for what i come out with in this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Sounds like social services are trying to blame someone else for their own **** up.

    What the **** were the rest of the family playing at as well, did their auntie not think to kick the **** out of her sister.

    There's a lot more guilty people here than some catholic nutters and a deranged mother.
    Indeed.

    So the mother had some legal help and the health board backed down.
    Does this mean that anyone with a bit of money can get away with abusing kids?

    As for the jokes, there's a forum for that sort of crap.
    Keep it out of here please.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Mods, merge with the house of horrors thread i didn't notice till now, if needs be?

    In last few mins, 'Mother found guilty' http://www.herald.ie/national-news/mother-guilty-of-incest-in-house-of-horrors-1609864.html
    The woman pleaded guilty to charges of incest, sexual assault, and wilful neglect yesterday at Roscommon Circuit Court.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭big b


    Desperately, desperately sad story.

    These are real kids & imho it's not suitable fodder for "humour"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,815 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    That's just sickening. I feel sorry for the kids to have to go through that. There's nothing funny about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    Its hard to fathom , that 8 years of these children being visited by Public Health nurses and Social workers , plus Home Help , and no one took them away from her.
    Were these people blind?
    Poor kids , lots of problems ahead in life I would imagine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭corkhero


    Mind boggling how this wasnt noticed sooner.

    surely the teachers in school would have known that something was up and that the kids hygeine wasnt up to scratch.

    Feel sorry for this kids tho.

    hope the mother rots!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭kelle


    I feel sick after reading about this in the Star. Those poor, poor children - I hope they will be okay.
    To think of all the good people who can't have children when this evil monster could have six and subject them to such abuse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭Wagon


    kelle wrote: »
    I feel sick after reading about this in the Star. Those poor, poor children - I hope they will be okay.

    The younger ones maybe, but the older ones? not a chance :(

    Where were the rest of the relitives? And neighbours? And teachers? This could have been stopped years ago.


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  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 7,486 ✭✭✭Red Alert


    She's a truly evil individual, I wonder who the organization is?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Slow Motion


    Seven fcuking years! A man could be sentenced for life, but 7 is the max for a woman:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    gurramok wrote: »
    Religion gone bonkers!
    That's kinda like saying "religion gone religious"... ;)
    TBH I don't see any humour in the above!
    Dord wrote: »
    That's just sickening. I feel sorry for the kids to have to go through that. There's nothing funny about it.
    To be fair, I don't think most people consider the case itself funny, they're just using it as fodder for jokes - not that I have time for that.

    As for Dragan's comment, all I see in that is something which seems pretty much true.

    I know of a similar case to this - it's difficult for protection services to intervene because of acres of bureaucracy. Just because it took so long to do anything doesn't mean people weren't fighting the whole time for something to be done.
    I don't think she's evil either, just lazy, neglectful, selfish, ignorant, uneducated, possibly mentally ill and/or slow. Perhaps she's the result of incest herself and has some chromosomal deficiencies going on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    this blog has somone who recognises the name
    http://twentymajor.net/2009/01/22/that-roscommon-****/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,164 ✭✭✭Ronan|Raven


    I am from the area of this family. I know the kids and the parents. I am so sickened and truely saddened by what happened these poor children.

    Words cannot truely describe my anger. It was well known about the neglect the kids suffered and how they were not being looked after properly. It was allowed to go on far to long by the services. I was unaware of the High Court ruling back in 2000 but it makes sense now that I hear it how the kids were allowed to stay with the family so long.

    To those saying why didnt the aunt do x y or z, she did everything she could do and thankfully in the end they were removed from the parents "care"

    The kids thankfully from what I know are doing as well as they can after their past few years and are settling in well to a new and better life.

    There is more I could say but I wont as it cannot achieve anything and wont help any further cases and there will be more out of this im sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Dudess wrote: »
    That's kinda like saying "religion gone religious"... ;)


    To be fair, I don't think most people consider the case itself funny, they're just using it as fodder for jokes - not that I have time for that.

    As for Dragan's comment, all I see in that is something which seems pretty much true.

    I know of a similar case to this - it's difficult for protection services to intervene because of acres of bureaucracy. Just because it took so long to do anything doesn't mean people weren't fighting the whole time for something to be done.
    I don't think she's evil either, just lazy, neglectful, selfish, ignorant, uneducated, possibly mentally ill and/or slow. Perhaps she's the result of incest herself and has some chromosomal deficiencies going on.
    I deleted nine posts in this thread.
    Eight of them were sick jokes and one identified the location of someone named in the report. I wasn't comfortable with that from a legal standpoint.

    I left Dragan's post because, while there was a jokey element to it, I also saw it as a bit of social commentary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    would the long delayed childrens rights referendum made any difference to any rulings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Cunny-Funt


    gurramok wrote: »

    Religion gone bonkers!

    Gone bonkers? That would imply there was a time where it was not bonkers in the 1st place.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 432 ✭✭Mingey


    Wagon wrote: »
    Where were the rest of the relitives? And neighbours? And teachers? This could have been stopped years ago.

    And the people in the pub that she used to frequent? Surely people would have noticed she was drinkning away money that was meant to be spent on looking after the kids?

    Roscommon being in the country, means communities are closer (to generalise)

    How many people could turn a blind eye to a person with 6 kids in filthy clothes who goes out until all hours at night drinking?

    Yes the social services are there to protect children from parents like this, but it is also up to those that are in our communities to help where the state fails.


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