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Merseyside derby super duper double bill mega thread..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭el rabitos


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    When was the last time Everton started the season thinking they were going to win the league?

    .

    you use this analogy when an everton defender makes a mistake? its cool because you werent going to win the league anyway? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭coco06


    ciaran76 wrote: »
    Will Rafa tinker much with the team for the cup game do ye reckon?

    yip he doesnt rate it as much as champs league and premiership.. likes of lucas, arbeloa, agger will be brought in for a run.. prob be loads of goals in that one..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭careca


    Without Gerrard, Liverpool would be....


    mid table side at the very best.

    Thats why ye lot wont win a league, not this year or next year either.

    And how many 'winbledonesque' goals have ye scored this season..:p not very good for a 'big' team is it...

    Its only January and you already have my vote for worst post of the year. i might change my mind if you can prove that you are only six years of age.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,710 ✭✭✭ciaran76


    coco06 wrote: »
    yip he doesnt rate it as much as champs league and premiership.. likes of lucas, arbeloa, agger will be brought in for a run.. prob be loads of goals in that one..

    Yeah was thinking there would be goals in that game too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    When was the last time Everton started the season thinking they were going to win the league?

    ....or spent an absolute fortune trying to do so?

    A bit of reality please.

    Tbh, you's(Liverpool) are spending a fortune ''trying'' to win the league. Its the word ''trying''

    As a few posts up evertons starting a 11 was 1.25mil more then Torres and he misses in the 6yard boss which is harder to do then score ffs.

    So money wise, yes you should be winning the league especially when atm the ''only'' competition would be the Arsenal,Man-U,Chelsea Money/Skill wise. Altho Villa are doing great this season.

    Liverpool are spending all that money and getting nowere this season. Imo I dont even think they'll finish top 3 but get 4th and barely getting a Champions League spot.

    After not winning sinse Beneitz outburst at the referee's Liverpools confidence is low. If they lose the cup match againts Everton come Sunday there confidence is getting lower.

    Your next premier league game is againts Wigan away and if you dont beat Everton at Anfield come Sunday tbh I can see you not winning againts Wigan.

    One thing I hate is when Liverpool players say '' Were well better then Everton. What good players have you got?''

    Well it doesn't matter how many ''good players'' you have in your squad. If your teamwork is dredful your getting nowere.

    And my last point: Without Gerrard running his heart out every game he plays you wouldn't even be ahead of Everton.

    My two cents.

    /Awaits Heavy flaming:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    el rabitos wrote: »
    you use this analogy when an everton defender makes a mistake? its cool because you werent going to win the league anyway? :confused:
    Oh dear, have you analysed all the goals Everton have conceded over the last number of years?

    Here have a kiss x


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    Tbh, you's(Liverpool) are spending a fortune ''trying'' to win the league. Its the word ''trying''
    I'll thank you not to quote my post and declare yous as being Liverpool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,710 ✭✭✭ciaran76


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    I'll thank you not to quote my post and declare yous as being Liverpool.
    Do you feel dirty now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,549 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Disaster.

    Bottlers.

    Now all my posts about those other f*** ups at home being important are showing their worth.

    Too many were too happy to say "Were top" and thats all that matters, always thought we would need a cushion.

    Best position we have been in for years and I am absolutely gutted and just can't see it for the life of me at the moment. If every home game is to be a struggle like this then what hope is there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,938 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I made comments to similar to what some are saying now and I was shot down but that was about a game against Stoke not Everton.

    I made a comment tonight but nobody really bothered about it.

    Before I go on, I'll say this, Liverpool were unlucky in the end tonight and while there have been a lot of draws lately, this result is very rare, in that a team went behind to Liverpool and came back for a draw. Usually when Liverpool go ahead its game over, other than the two Athletico games iirc.

    Anyways Benitez seems to me to have his team selection all wrong too often. He puts in one striker against the likes of Stoke and then two against Everton. It was clear early on tonight that it did not suit Liverpool, they would have chances but would run the risk of Everton scoring on the counter and Reina made a fantastic stop to deny that happening in the first half.

    Also some guys are going on about Torres being greedy, well its natural for a strker to be greedy and even moreso when he is not seeing much action and wants to put a marker down to say he should be.

    I blame Benitez again, I think Liverpool should have started with the 4-2-3-1 tonight, I'd expect them to beat Everton using that system. Anyways enough about it, they are not out of the PL race by any means but unless they get it together against the weaker clubs they can forget about it. Tonights results is not a bad result for Liverpool. It would not be a bad result for Manchester United or Chelsea or Villa or Arsenal either because Everton are a top team who are up there in the top six almost every season.
    But there is no use beating United and then throwing them points away against the Stokes and Hulls.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,132 ✭✭✭x in the city


    ts only January and you already have my vote for worst post of the year. i might change my mind if you can prove that you are only six years of age.


    Lol whats that supposed to mean, every man and his dog knows that pool would be utter useless without Gerrard.

    Liverpool spend millions ever year and natter on about winning the title EVERY year.

    its the same old story, Everton never claim to win a title every year because we know we have no hope in hell, Liverpool should come clean also and admit they are no where near as good as ye make out.

    The bookies have Man U clear favourites for winning the League, they dont get it wrong do they? Pool will finish 4th probably with zero silverware..

    dejavu anyone.?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    ciaran76 wrote: »
    Do you feel dirty now?
    Filthy Ciaran, Filthy. It'll be the sack cloth and ashes for me in the morning :D
    Best manager on Merseyside? Has to be David Moyes. It’s incredible that Everton can even compete with Liverpool, given the gulf in their resources and the difference in the quality and size of their squads.

    There’s often reason to question the tactics of Rafael Benítez, but, while you could argue that Moyes is cautious, you can’t deny that his game plans are effective.

    Even with their injury problems, Everton are hard to beat and a side that opponents hate to play, perhaps more than any other in the division. So dogged, so organised, they get stuck in, make life uncomfortable and, in Mikel Arteta, have a player who can open you up; in Tim Cahill, one who can finish you off. Cahill, like Joleon Lescott and Phil Jagielka, is a former Championship player who has become a rock in the top flight.

    Full article


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭el rabitos


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    have you analysed all the goals Everton have conceded over the last number of years?

    ?

    soo.....are you mocking liverpool for having ambition or are you using evertons presumed lack of ambtion to justify slagging off liverpool? or is it both?

    random jibes are cool n shit, just seems kinda lame to use your own teams lack of ambition (your insinuation) to get your point across.
    Bluetonic wrote: »
    Here have a kiss x

    :eek:

    not the worse result in the world, since we won at everton, but when combined with the results running up to it, pretty much killing our title hopes, whatever they were.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    Filthy Ciaran, Filthy. It'll be the sack cloth and ashes for me in the morning :D



    I aplogize:) I didn't know you were a Everton fan, but judging by your post I assumed. My bad:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,549 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    I was unaware Everton do compete with Liverpool on a regular basis.

    The recent Merseryside Derby results have been heavily in favour of the reds and, furthermore, I can't remember the last time Everton either won a trophy or qualified for the group stages of the CL.

    He is a great manager however, no doubt about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    noodler wrote: »
    I was unaware Everton do compete with Liverpool on a regular basis.

    I can't remember the last time Everton either won a trophy or

    More then 10 years ago! 95 Fa Cup


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    More then 10 years ago! 95 Fa Cup

    Paul bloody Rideout :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,993 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    event wrote: »
    if they draw, its only benitez to blame

    taking off 45 million or so work of striking talent and leaving dirk kuyt on the pitch?

    madness

    some people are never happy.

    Keane was shit and Torres is quite simply not fit enough to play 90mins, especially at Derby match intensity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    el rabitos wrote: »
    soo.....are you mocking liverpool for having ambition or are you using evertons presumed lack of ambtion to justify slagging off liverpool? or is it both?
    Everton have arguably progressed more than any other team in the Premier League over the last half dozen season and matched the current ambitions (to get into Europe) of the club given their limited resources.

    I am mocking Liverpool for achieving far less than their resources allow, something of which an imbecile could not argue otherwise.

    On a side note, now that Her Majesties Government own RBS, do you think they call in your loans? ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    Torres is quite simply not fit enough to play 90mins, especially at Derby match intensity.

    Cud have been the wide screen but He looked pretty chunky tonight.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,549 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    We all know the importance of actual match fitness but Torres better sort this out soon.

    We can't rely on Gerrard wonderstrikes on their own, more clear cut chances need to be created.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,856 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    noodler wrote: »
    We all know the importance of actual match fitness but Torres better sort this out soon.

    We can't rely on Gerrard wonderstrikes on their own, more clear cut chances need to be created.

    what about Robbie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    Everton have arguably progressed more than any other team in the Premier League over the last half dozen season and matched the current ambitions (to get into Europe) of the club given their limited resources.

    I am mocking Liverpool for achieving far less than their resources allow, something of which an imbecile could not argue otherwise.

    Couldn't agree more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,647 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Dropping points against irrelevant clubs always hurts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Dropping points against irrelevant clubs always hurts.
    You must be hurting a lot so.
    If you woke up feeling blue today then the chances are you are not alone. For Monday, January 19, 2009 is going to be the most depressing day in history, according to experts.
    Feeling Blue? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭el rabitos


    Bluetonic wrote: »

    I am mocking Liverpool for achieving far less than their resources allow, something of which an imbecile could not argue otherwise.

    you think liverpool should be winning the league?
    Bluetonic wrote: »
    On a side note, now that Her Majesties Government own RBS, do you think they call in your loans? ;)

    dunno, but maybe if they do, we can both debate the merits of both clubs from a common frame of referance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,647 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    You must be hurting a lot so.

    Feeling Blue? :D

    I am. You seem happy enough though. But then, those with little ambition are easily satisfied.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭Warper


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Dropping points against irrelevant clubs always hurts.

    And Liverpool know this better than anyone - dropping points at home to teams like Stoke and Fulham. They have no chance of winning the league, same old Liverpool - all hype and no bottle. Now at least we can concentrate on the big 2 fighting it out for the league (again).

    Everton are a fantastic team with no resources - to think that the whole Everton team playing tonight cost £6m more than Robbie (60 mins) Keane shows what a joke Liverpool and Benitez are. People say you cant buy the Premiership and Liverpool are the prime examples of this. Take out Gerrard and they wouldnt even be in the top 4 - Go on the Toffees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    el rabitos wrote: »
    you think liverpool should be winning the league?
    Yes they should.

    I would be an extremely disappointed Everton fan if we had the same resources available to us as have been made available to Liverpool over the last numerous yeas and we had not won the league.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    I am. You seem happy enough though. But then, those with little ambition are easily satisfied.
    Please see my other posts. I have realistic ambitions based on the resources we are working with compared to the resources Liverpool are working with.

    Only a fool would equate my happiness with little ambition.


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