Merseyside derby super duper double bill mega thread..

x in the city · 13-01-2009 2:39pm #1

Ok folks

All necessary slagging and debate here.....

mirwillbeback · 13-01-2009 2:49pm

Draw in FA Cup, Everton to win replay, Everton to win the league game. Liverpool are finally being found out, be lucky to finish top 4.

Dont be at yourself · 13-01-2009 2:52pm

Is that you Eamonn?

SlickRic · 13-01-2009 2:54pm

mirwillbeback wrote: »

Liverpool are finally being found out, be lucky to finish top 4.

interesting take :rolleyes:

have you any actual evidence to support this? or can i assume you're joking?

Bluetonic · 13-01-2009 2:55pm

Howard Webb will be the ref on Monday.

No complaints there from me, he reffed Everton v Boro late last year and was very good without being too visible.

Still with it being the fixture with the most red cards in the Premier League you'd have to wonder how anonymous he can be.

Key talking point from an Everton point of view is who will replace Fellaini to allow Everton to stick to the enforced 4-6-0. I don't really want to comment on what the options are in case Rafa is taking notes.

Dave! · 13-01-2009 3:09pm

'MON YOU BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOZ!!!!!!!!!!

Mr Alan · 13-01-2009 3:43pm

Bluetonic wrote: »

Howard Webb will be the ref on Monday.

No complaints there from me, he reffed Everton v Boro late last year and was very good without being too visible.

Still with it being the fixture with the most red cards in the Premier League you'd have to wonder how anonymous he can be.

Key talking point from an Everton point of view is who will replace Fellaini to allow Everton to stick to the enforced 4-6-0. I don't really want to comment on what the options are in case Rafa is taking notes.

i seem to remember Clattenberg being viewed as the best ref around until the derby, all changed after that

Iang87 · 13-01-2009 4:14pm

Everton Everton Everton hmmm i fancy we'll take ye in the cup and league

DeadSkin · 13-01-2009 4:20pm

Liverpool taking 3 points in the league game is much more important imo.

delspeed78 · 13-01-2009 5:52pm

I fancy Everton to get a result in the league game.

Couldn't give a toss about the cup.

Headshot · 13-01-2009 5:56pm

too bad Fellaini is banned

Chardee MacDennis · 13-01-2009 6:02pm

wouldnt mind losing in the FA Cup and winning in the PL, a replay would be the least favourable outcome from the cup...

jesus_thats_gre · 13-01-2009 6:17pm

Reckon that Liverpool will take the league game and Everton will take the FA Cup game..

jesus_thats_gre · 13-01-2009 6:27pm

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

too bad Fellaini is banned

Tis terrible indeed

SWAR · 13-01-2009 6:59pm

mirwillbeback wrote: »

Draw in FA Cup, Everton to win replay, Everton to win the league game. Liverpool are finally being found out, be lucky to finish top 4.

I agree, Everton may get a draw in the cup game!!!!

Bluetonic · 13-01-2009 7:13pm

Recent memories...

Liverpool fans welcome Phil

Everton fans congratulate Steven on the birth of his child

...and for those who don't realise it.

...finally

jesus_thats_gre · 13-01-2009 7:15pm

Bluetonic wrote: »

...finally

If all else fails, assume the moral highground... :pac:

Bluetonic · 13-01-2009 7:19pm

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

If all else fails, assume the moral highground... :pac:

A bit rich me with absolutely no connections to Merseyside except a love of the team that wear blue, their slutty women and their cheap beer posting that all the same

jesus_thats_gre · 13-01-2009 7:23pm

Bluetonic wrote: »

A bit rich me with absolutely no connections to Merseyside except a love of the team that wear blue, their slutty women and their cheap beer posting that all the same

Haha tis all good fun in fairness

mike65 · 13-01-2009 7:31pm

Would not be unhappy if Liverpool loose the FA Cup game.

Headshot · 13-01-2009 7:33pm

wonder will Keane get a game

id laugh if he's on the bench

i think rafa will start with torres and Gerrard

mayordenis · 13-01-2009 7:42pm

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

wonder will Keane get a game

id laugh if he's on the bench

i think rafa will start with torres and Gerrard

If he starts with torres and gerrard I can't see why you would laugh.

Warper · 13-01-2009 7:44pm

It will be good to see Everton ending Liverpool's fading title hope on Monday night and push us on to a top 4 place this season.

mayordenis · 13-01-2009 7:46pm

Warper wrote: »

It will be good to see Everton ending Liverpool's fading title hope on Monday night and push us on to a top 4 place this season.

Fading title hope = top of the table after half way? Dillusional nonsense.
Nearly as dilusional as hoping to get 4th.

Headshot · 13-01-2009 7:46pm

mayordenis wrote: »

If he starts with torres and gerrard I can't see why you would laugh.

because a 20 million striker on the bench

i know man utd have tevez on the bench but utd haven't paid kia the money yet and the way its looking they wont be

also what was the point of having Robbie on the bench agaisnt stoke
I presume Rafa was resting him?

13-01-2009 7:46pm

League game is the big one for Liverpool.

3 points there and they can play a 2nd string team for cup game as they have a much more important game away to wigan 3 days later

Warper · 13-01-2009 7:49pm

mayordenis wrote: »

Fading title hope = top of the table after half way? Dillusional nonsense.
Nearly as dilusional as hoping to get 4th.

Everton have a much better chance of getting 4th place than Liverpool do of winning the league - even Torres agrees with that.

x in the city · 13-01-2009 7:58pm

This thread is heating up nicely.......:D

But yeah, Everton have much better chance of getting 4th than pool have of winning.,....... anything.
* gets coat

mayordenis · 13-01-2009 7:58pm

Warper wrote: »

Everton have a much better chance of getting 4th place than Liverpool do of winning the league - even Torres agrees with that.

lol

All I can see is that we have actually beaten our title rivals this season (both of them) and are currently ahead of both of them in the league.
Whereas Everton have lost 3-1 to Arsenal and 3:2 to Villa and are currently behind both of them.

And just to go one step further Fernando Torres has never said that ye have more chance of coming 4th than we have of winning the league. He said United are title Favourites - which they are and rightfully so - he didn't say anything about everton having a chance of anything, because they don't.

well I guess you've made plenty of complete non-points of uselessness, congrats.

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

because a 20 million striker on the bench

i know man utd have tevez on the bench but utd haven't paid kia the money yet and the way its looking they wont be

also what was the point of have Robbie on the bench agaisnt stoke
I presume Rafa was resting him?

I don't know why you make that presumtion but then laugh at the idea of him not playing,
Let me get this straight,

You think he was rested against Stoke,
You don't think he'll start against Everton,
You think that Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres are 2 squad player who shouldn't get a game ahead of him,
You think no player who cost that kind of money hasn't been a complete hit or dropped for a little while or rotated,
You think he doesn't have 26 appearances for Liverpool about halfway through the campaign.

mayordenis · 13-01-2009 7:59pm

x in the city wrote: »

This thread is heating up nicely.......:D

But yeah, Everton have much better chance of getting 4th than pool have of winning.,....... anything.
* gets coat

no need to leave mate just maybe give a reason for that we seem to win silverware more often than ye come 4th lately.

13-01-2009 8:04pm

Torres loves scoring against the bitters.

Destroyed them at Goodison

Headshot · 13-01-2009 8:20pm

mayordenis wrote: »

I don't know why you make that presumtion but then laugh at the idea of him not playing,
Let me get this straight,

You think he was rested against Stoke,
You don't think he'll start against Everton,
You think that Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres are 2 squad player who shouldn't get a game ahead of him,
You think no player who cost that kind of money hasn't been a complete hit or dropped for a little while or rotated,
You think he doesn't have 26 appearances for Liverpool about halfway through the campaign.

Its an ironic laugh.

why else wouldnt keane come-on against stoke when Rafa was suppose to make the PL his first priority this season
i can understand him not starting but not coming on was very strange
Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres should be starting of course
but why can't keane start
why not a 4-4-2
i know liverpool have had some good games with Gerrard in the hole behind Torres
but Robbie with Spurs was like around 20 goal a season player
so i expected him to play

he has only played 4 full 90 minutes games with liverpool which is a pretty bad stat

26 appearances for Liverpool
whats the average amount of time he's on the field ?

mayordenis · 13-01-2009 8:27pm

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

26 appearances for Liverpool
whats the average amount of time he's on the field ?

You say yourself he had 4 90 minutes
and I would guess the majority of the rest were 60-70 minutes so plenty of field time really. Not as much as one might expect from 20m-ish striker but he's still bedding in to being a smaller fish in a bigger pond.

DSB · 13-01-2009 8:29pm

Really don't think he'll stay to be honest.

eagle eye · 13-01-2009 8:31pm

If Everton were in the relegation I'd fancy a draw in the league game, but unfortunately for them they are a good side and Liverpool do well againt good teams.

Its when they face the bad teams that they make a mess of it.

SWAR · 13-01-2009 8:32pm

Warper wrote: »

It will be good to see Everton ending Liverpool's fading title hope on Monday night and push us on to a top 4 place this season.

Ok I know people do get carried away at times on this site, but try and keep your comments a wee bit sensible...I'm still trying to work out whether you are serious or not:rolleyes:

Mr Alan · 13-01-2009 8:38pm

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

why else wouldnt keane come-on against stoke when Rafa was suppose to make the PL his first priority this season

because Torres & Babel came on ahead of him? Torres,cause he's a better striker & Babel, presumably to take advantage of Stokes tired legs.

i know you pointed it out youself, but the irony of that a utd fan giving stick about a 20m player on the bench when a 32m is permanently on yours and occassionally not in the squad is laughable!

and dont say "we havent paid for him yet", as its totally irrelevant considering any noises coming from Utd is that they are going to buy him & sure we havent even paid for Robbie yet.

DSB · 13-01-2009 8:42pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

because Torres & Babel came on ahead of him? Torres,cause he's a better striker & Babel, presumably to take advantage of Stokes tired legs.

i know you pointed it out youself, but the irony of that a utd fan giving stick about a 20m player on the bench when a 32m is permanently on yours and occassionally not in the squad is laughable!

and dont say "we havent paid for him yet", as its totally irrelevant considering any noises coming from Utd is that they are going to buy him & sure we havent even paid for Robbie yet.

It isn't irrelevant, because they won't buy him unless they plan to use him next season I'd imagine. This season they have options, because it isn't costing them 32 million euro. Obviously, he might not want to join because he isn't getting played this season though. But United won't spend 32 million on a substitute. If they do pay it, you'll know why.

Mr Alan · 13-01-2009 8:44pm

DSB wrote: »

It isn't irrelevant, because they won't buy him unless they plan to use him next season I'd imagine. This season they have options, because it isn't costing them 32 million euro. Obviously, he might not want to join because he isn't getting played this season though. But United won't spend 32 million on a substitute. If they do pay it, you'll know why.

bollox tbh. maybe Rafa is thinking "we have Keane, can sell him in 18 mths for 10m therefore he'll cost 10m"-same as the Tevez loan!

DSB · 13-01-2009 8:48pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

bollox tbh.

How? Quote me a big money transfer Alex Ferguson has made that wasn't part of his plans for the first team.

Headshot · 13-01-2009 8:55pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

i know you pointed it out youself, but the irony of that a utd fan giving stick about a 20m player on the bench when a 32m is permanently on yours and occassionally not in the squad is laughable!

and dont say "we havent paid for him yet", as its totally irrelevant considering any noises coming from Utd is that they are going to buy him & sure we havent even paid for Robbie yet.

what noises from old trafford

if utd wanted to sign him they've done it by now
it will be harder to sign him in summer with madrid about also tevez must get into utd first team to get into the argentina squad even Maradona said it

utd know that the figure of 25-27 million for tevez is way too much they're trying to negotiate the price down or just walk away

utd have common sense

tevez deal was brilliant for utd
we rent a striker for 2 yrs and if we dont want him we can walk away
i know some utd supporters want him at utd but personally i think its hard to
justify paying 20 million above for a sub

Mr Alan · 13-01-2009 8:56pm

Nani

DSB · 13-01-2009 8:57pm

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

if utd wanted to sign him they've done it by now

utd know that the figure of 25-27 million for tevez is way too much they're trying to negotiate the price down or just walk away

You're aware these two statements COMPLETELY contradict each other right? You'd argue anything.

x in the city · 13-01-2009 8:59pm

lads

ahem, this is about the forthcoming mersey double bill.

not alex ferguson and carlos tevez and ronaldo and giggs and scholes.......:cool:

DSB · 13-01-2009 9:00pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

Nani

Nani wouldn't be what I'd call a big money transfer for a player his age. Less than half that of Tevez. You could use it as an argument but you'd really be pushing it.

Charlie · 13-01-2009 9:00pm

Bit of a sh/t derby tbh.

bite

DSB · 13-01-2009 9:01pm

x in the city wrote: »

lads

ahem, this is about the forthcoming mersey double bill.

not alex ferguson and carlos tevez and ronaldo and giggs and scholes.......:cool:

Ok since you insist, Liverpool are going to stuff Everton twice. Easily.

x in the city · 13-01-2009 9:03pm

"Ok since you insist, Liverpool are going to stuff Everton twice. Easily. "

and you would back this up with a bet....

Bluetonic · 13-01-2009 9:03pm

DSB wrote: »

Ok since you insist, Liverpool are going to stuff Everton twice. Easily.

What is a stuffing these days?

DSB · 13-01-2009 9:04pm

x in the city wrote: »

"Ok since you insist, Liverpool are going to stuff Everton twice. Easily. "

and you would back this up with a bet....

What would odds would you give me on an aggregate win of 4 or more over the 2 games for Liverpool?

Mr Alan · 13-01-2009 9:05pm

DSB wrote: »

Nani wouldn't be what I'd call a big money transfer for a player his age. Less than half that of Tevez. You could use it as an argument but you'd really be pushing it.

15m on a unproven in the league, 22 year old aint a big money signing? :rolleyes:

Merseyside derby super duper double bill mega thread..

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