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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Won't make much odds with so many about to sign on. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    In the state we're in- anything is possible.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Can't get blood out of a stone as they say.
    If this comes in, it will be just yet another method to try and extract the low savings and/or few quid left in the average persons pocket.

    If it comes in I would expect huge street protests to happen - I should say I might expect it - as so far the Irish public have been very complacent and compliant.
    Hopefully this re-vamped tax will be the final straw that wakes the sleeping sleeping masses from their zombie like state!

    We can live in hope...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭old boy


    jack lynch methinks removed this, in doing so nearly broke the country, i would agree with it if i did not have to continue to pay for rubbish and water charges.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    Darragh29 wrote: »

    The day they even try to bring in this Thather policy over here is the day people will errupt.

    lol you have too much faith in the people of ireland.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    If you don't agree, just emigrate?

    Oh wait, every other country has some form of property tax so that rules that one out :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    old boy wrote: »
    i would agree with it if i did not have to continue to pay for rubbish and water charges.

    Thats actually a good point, but somehow I can't see the government actually thinking like that:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    I have no problem paying tax in any shape or form so long as it's fair and is used wisely.

    Safe to say I'll be against this one then..... :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Kernel32


    gurramok wrote: »
    If you don't agree, just emigrate?

    Oh wait, every other country has some form of property tax so that rules that one out :D

    This is true. I pay $4000 a year to the city where I live for the owning my own home and every year it goes up another little bit. But that money goes into the tax base for the city for roads, parks, trails etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    It would be interesting how they will assess it.

    They could base it on a percentage of the 2005 / 2006 market value. :eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Kernel32


    It would be interesting how they will assess it.

    They could base it on a percentage of the 2005 / 2006 market value. :eek:

    That would be unusual. Market values change all the time. Normally it's based on the land value and build value of the house. This is a more stable number. In a good market the assessed value can be considerably less than the market value. In this market it would probably come out close to each other.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Or based on the square footage/metre or the size of your house.

    McMansion would pay alot more! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    Tax the fecking hundred of thousands of empty house in the country, rather than peoples homes. Holiday homes, empty house of sale, etc. If you can afford to have a second or third etc home, you can afford to pay a tax on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,629 ✭✭✭ART6


    I'd be all in favour of a property tax. It might just be the final straw that gets rid of FF for once and for all and thereby teaches the rest of the b****y crooks a lesson.:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Tyler MacDurden


    I'd have no problem paying higher taxes than we are now if the money was used wisely, as in some enlightened Nordic countries. Affordable, comprehensive childcare, 21st century transport system, modern telecomms networks etc. would all be worth the money.

    Problem is, we have no-one fit to administer the extra funds, vision and initiative are sorely lacking among our political classes.

    As it stands, we might as well dig a big landfill and each throw a few quid in. At least the earthworms might make use of it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Like Tyler MacDurden, don't mind paying a fair contribution but the shower in power at the moment can't manage well the funds they are already getting.

    Why give them more so that they can even frak that up also?

    If a water tank is leaking, you don't throw more water into it, to solve the problem!
    Fix the tank, sack the maintenance man or both!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Tyler MacDurden


    Biggins wrote: »
    Like Tyler MacDurden, don't mind paying a fair contribution but the shower in power at the moment can't manage well the funds they are already getting.

    Why give them more so that they can even frak that up also?

    If a water tank is leaking, you don't throw more water into it, to solve the problem!
    Fix the tank, sack the maintenance man or both!

    Agreed, except that the alternatives don't inspire much confidence either. It's a pretty intractable problem really, the type of people that we need don't seem to venture into politics.

    I'm not saying that politicians of vision don't exist, but they either never rise to the top or those that do have their idealism leeched out of them.

    In this country at least, the attainment and retention of power have become ends in themselves. Servants of the people indeed. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭samhail


    forgive me thats before my time :) old folk ;)
    so if you rent your house out to your neighbour and they rent theirs out to you, we are all good ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    Did anyone notice David Begg last night on Prime Time saying that he was putting a proposal to the government for a "more sustainable and equitable form of property related tax to replace the failed stamp duty system"???

    Clearly codespeak for "I'm asking the government to reinstate poll tax"...

    So if you have an apartment, you'll still have to pay your management charges every year, and also likely the same again in poll tax.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Darragh29 wrote: »
    Did anyone notice David Begg last night on Prime Time saying that he was putting a proposal to the government for a "more sustainable and equitable form of property related tax to replace the failed stamp duty system"???

    Clearly code-speak for "I'm asking the government to reinstate poll tax"...

    ...or "the feckers are not giving us the money so lets bring in another tax 'cos we can make laws willy-nilly to force the last few quid out of their pockets!"

    We need an Irish version of Robin Hood to steal back from these Dail thugs - but Ireland still sleeps on... :(

    September 1913 by William Butler Yeats

    What need you, being come to sense,
    But fumble in a greasy till
    And add the halfpence to the pence
    And prayer to shivering prayer, until
    You have dried the marrow from the bone?
    For men were born to pray and save:
    Romantic Ireland's dead and gone,
    It's with O'Leary in the grave.

    Yet they were of a different kind,
    The names that stilled your childish play,
    They have gone about the world like wind,
    But little time had they to pray
    For whom the hangman's rope was spun,
    And what, God help us, could they save?
    Romantic Ireland's dead and gone,
    It's with O'Leary in the grave.

    Was it for this the wild geese spread
    The grey wing upon every tide;
    For this that all that blood was shed,
    For this Edward Fitzgerald died,
    And Robert Emmet and Wolfe Tone,
    All that delirium of the brave?
    Romantic Ireland's dead and gone,
    It's with O'Leary in the grave.

    Yet could we turn the years again,
    And call those exiles as they were
    In all their loneliness and pain,
    You'd cry, 'Some woman's yellow hair
    Has maddened every mother's son':
    They weighed so lightly what they gave.
    But let them be, they're dead and gone,
    They're with O'Leary in the grave.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭thelordofcheese


    Biggins wrote: »
    ...or "the feckers are not giving us the money so lets bring in another tax 'cos we can make laws willy-nilly to force the last few quid out of their pockets!"

    We need an Irish version of Robin Hood to steal back from these Dail thugs - but Ireland still sleeps on... :(

    September 1913 by William Butler Yeats

    What need you, being come to sense,
    But fumble in a greasy till
    And add the halfpence to the pence
    And prayer to shivering prayer, until
    You have dried the marrow from the bone?
    For men were born to pray and save:
    Romantic Ireland's dead and gone,
    It's with O'Leary in the grave.

    Yet they were of a different kind,
    The names that stilled your childish play,
    They have gone about the world like wind,
    But little time had they to pray
    For whom the hangman's rope was spun,
    And what, God help us, could they save?
    Romantic Ireland's dead and gone,
    It's with O'Leary in the grave.

    Was it for this the wild geese spread
    The grey wing upon every tide;
    For this that all that blood was shed,
    For this Edward Fitzgerald died,
    And Robert Emmet and Wolfe Tone,
    All that delirium of the brave?
    Romantic Ireland's dead and gone,
    It's with O'Leary in the grave.

    Yet could we turn the years again,
    And call those exiles as they were
    In all their loneliness and pain,
    You'd cry, 'Some woman's yellow hair
    Has maddened every mother's son':
    They weighed so lightly what they gave.
    But let them be, they're dead and gone,
    They're with O'Leary in the grave.

    Great, now that we've got people complaining loudly and quoting bad poetry, we're just some catchy slogans away from being an ineffectual hippy protest!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    G...we're just some catchy slogans away from being an ineffectual hippy protest!

    ...and that hasn't happened already? :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Slow Motion


    Sure why not pay it? Beverly Cooper (I've a neck like a jockys bollix and am a greedy money grabbing good for nothing) skin Flynt needs all the cash we can spare now she is not claiming and independants expenses, shame on you all for not being willing, shame on you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Love Ulster x100


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Deadicated in honour to the lordofcheese -

    2wmzw47.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,335 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    If Biffo and his posse intend to introduce rates again, it just shows how incompetent they really are, to do such a thing when people are struggling to live, at a time with less jobs and money. If rates were planned they should have been introduced at the height of the boom times as a safeguard for the bad times, I doubt if the public would have noticed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭thelordofcheese


    Biggins wrote: »
    Deadicated in honour to the lordofcheese -

    2wmzw47.jpg

    That was terrible. Please stop.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    I actually don't believe that we can get out of this mess we are in, without some new huge motherfu*ker kind of tax coming about, such is the hole we are in. The deficit is just too large now, huge cutbacks or public service redundancies won't be enough I think. On the credit side of things, three of the main economic engines for the economy have currently stopped operating:

    (1) Property Sales

    (2) Vehicle Sales

    (3) Retail Sales

    All of these sales feed directly into Corporation Tax returns , VAT returns and PAYE/PRSI returns, so those three other engines are also operating at substantially less capacity.

    On the debit side of things, the huge rise in social welfare payments to folks on the dole is pulling the arse out of the government purse in a different direction.

    I think they will bring in a property/poll tax, because they will simply have no choice but to get a yearly additional lump sum out of every home in the country to sort out this mess.

    Having said that, when they do try it, I'm out on the streets...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Devious


    Shocking, absolutely shocking. This will be the final nail in the coffin for the government, enough is enough. Instead of dealing with the obvious (insane public spending that needs to be slashed) they are going after the taxpayer again. Income tax rates will be increased next by the looks of it.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    That was terrible. Please stop.
    Probably.
    My awful poems - yes
    Protesting - no.

    This government is a national disgrace.

    Why? Well for example...

    Coming Soon: Possible Governement Changes

    They are seriously considering cutting school buses.
    See: http://www.herald.ie/national-news/call-to-scrap-school-buses-just-daft-tds-1598038.html

    All civil service unionised wages will be cut from 2% to 5%.
    This includes by the way, Fire-persons, Nurses, Gardi, Teachers, Bus/Train drivers, etc.
    (I suspect major trouble with this one and the country come to a grinding halt in protest)
    See: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/lenihan-can-alter-contracts-of-civil-servants-in-public-interest-1600626.html
    and
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/unions-warn-of-crippling-strikes-if-pay-cuts-imposed-1600625.html

    A new re-vamped tax on home that you already might have heavy mortgage payments on!

    Another €1.5bn thrown at Anglo Irish Bank!

    100 Dublin Bus routes scrapped
    See: http://www.herald.ie/breaking-news/national-news/politics/labour-concerned-about-cuts-in-public-bus-services-1601628.html

    Carers Allowance to go
    See: http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/age-action-carers-allowance-must-be-exempt-from-cuts-1599486.html

    Cuts in school activities
    See: http://www.sligochampion.ie/sport/gaelic-football/official-slams-education-cutbacks-as-ludicrous-1581641.html

    and a lot more to come...

    Now, there is nothing by ANY side of the political fence, mentioning the cutting of their perks, wages, etc.
    We have a leader who is getting paid €70,000 more than his British counterpart (according to a union rep on "Primetime").
    Cutting a TD's wages won't solve our growing debt problem but by god, they could lead by example.

    Will they do that? Yea right!


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