17. Nani

Spud83 · 08-01-2009 05:32PM

Age doesn't matter maturity does. He has only a year and half of top flight football under his belt in and out of the team I will add. Maturity comes with experience, not by birthdays.

Mr Alan · 08-01-2009 05:40PM

Boggles wrote: »

Non!

again pretty sure him & Lampard featured 2nd & 3rd a few years ago...could be mistaken though, if i am, meh.

roryc · 08-01-2009 05:41PM

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

So Ronaldo two/three season ago?

No... because Ronaldo has always been trying to improve. I get the idea that Nani thinks he has already made it at United and therefore doesn't need to improve further. It actually wouldn't surprise me if Nani actually thought he was the best player at United.

As I said already, I might be proven wrong, but I don't think so. I would love if Nani went at the end of the season, more because of his attitude than his abilities. Same reason it wouldn't bother me too much if Ronaldo went. IMO if either of these players had the same attitude and mentality as players like Park/Vidic etc, they would be much, much better players.

Mr Alan · 08-01-2009 05:43PM

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

Age doesn't matter maturity does. He has only a year and half of top flight football under his belt in and out of the team I will add. Maturity comes with experience, not by birthdays.

played with Sporting since 2005 incl games in the CL in 2006, surely thats top flight football?

Nani has played about 100 top flight matches with nearly 20 in Europe....and was bought for a lot of money....he is not some fresh face scamp from the academy

James Forde · 08-01-2009 05:45PM

Just a quick note regards Anderson, don't forget he played the olympics this year aswell, and showed ALOT of potential last season.

To have Gerrard and Fabregas in your back pocket in your first season isn't bad imo, deserves alot more time!

keane2097 · 08-01-2009 05:47PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

again pretty sure him & Lampard featured 2nd & 3rd a few years ago...could be mistaken though, if i am, meh.

Wikipedia wrote:

List of male winners

2007
1st Kaká Brazil A.C. Milan
2nd Lionel Messi Argentina Barcelona
3rd Cristiano Ronaldo Portugal Manchester United

2006
1st Fabio Cannavaro Italy Real Madrid Juventus
2nd Zinedine Zidane France Real Madrid
3rd Ronaldinho Brazil Barcelona

2005
1st Ronaldinho Brazil Barcelona
2nd Frank Lampard England Chelsea
3rd Samuel Eto'o Cameroon Barcelona

2004
1st Ronaldinho Brazil Barcelona
2nd Thierry Henry France Arsenal
3rd Andriy Shevchenko Ukraine Milan

2003
1st Zinedine Zidane France Real Madrid
2nd Thierry Henry France Arsenal
3rd Ronaldo Brazil Real Madrid

2002
1st Ronaldo Brazil Real Madrid Internazionale
2nd Oliver Kahn Germany Bayern Munich
3rd Zinedine Zidane France Real Madrid

2001
1st Luís Figo Portugal Real Madrid
2nd David Beckham England Manchester United
3rd Raúl Spain Real Madrid

2000
1st Zinedine Zidane France Juventus
2nd Luís Figo Portugal Real Madrid Barcelona
3rd Rivaldo Brazil Barcelona

FYI

No results from last year for some reason - must be compiled by a Liverpool fan :pac:

Mr Alan · 08-01-2009 05:48PM

at no point has Anderson had Gerrard in any ****ing pocket :rolleyes:

we were the better team against Utd in Anfield last year, just as we were against them this year and the year before last.

Smegball · 08-01-2009 05:48PM

For Christ sakes, give the lads some time, everybody has dips in form. Look at Xabi Alonso, first season was absolutely amazing, last couple of seasons very very dissapointing and people wanted him out for Barry, this season? Back to his best.

Give the lads some time.

eagle eye · 08-01-2009 05:49PM

Boggles wrote: »

Why is he running out of time?

He has played nearly exclusively in the 3 cup competitions this season, 3 competitions United are still in.

His last 5 matches have yielded 2 goals and 1 assist?

Honestly you are intolerable at times.

Nani has been very poor in general at United. He loses the ball way too much and is far too greedy also. Defending what he has done so far for United is just ridiculous. Its easy to have those stats at United with all the attacking prowess around him, it does not mean that he is playing well. His overall general play at United so far could be easily described as headless, greedy and lacking vision.

However I would be in the camp that believes that he is a future superstar when he gains more experience.

I do believe that the best thing United could do is to buy someone to compete with him for his position. I think that would fastrack his development as he does seem ultra competitive.

keane2097 · 08-01-2009 05:51PM

roryc wrote: »

No... because Ronaldo has always been trying to improve. I get the idea that Nani thinks he has already made it at United and therefore doesn't need to improve further. It actually wouldn't surprise me if Nani actually thought he was the best player at United.

As I said already, I might be proven wrong, but I don't think so. I would love if Nani went at the end of the season, more because of his attitude than his abilities. Same reason it wouldn't bother me too much if Ronaldo went. IMO if either of these players had the same attitude and mentality as players like Park/Vidic etc, they would be much, much better players.

Sure you can't use any of that as an argument - you just made it up in your brain.

"I'd say Nani thinks he's the man - get rid of him"

Give me a break :rolleyes:

Mr Alan · 08-01-2009 05:51PM

keane2097 wrote: »

FYI

No results from last year for some reason - must be compiled by a Liverpool fan :pac:

must have been wrong apologies.

keane2097 · 08-01-2009 05:53PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

must have been wrong apologies.

I'd say he's probably been on the shortlist a good few times...

astrofool · 08-01-2009 05:56PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

at no point has Anderson had Gerrard in any ****ing pocket :rolleyes:

we were the better team against Utd in Anfield last year, just as we were against them this year and the year before last.

What type of rose red tinted eyewear are you wearing? Last year at Anfield United won at a canter, scored before half time, and Liverpool barely had a chance all match. Year before, O'Shea robbed you of a draw.

eZe^ · 08-01-2009 05:56PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

must have been wrong apologies.

He's won UEFA Club Player of The Year?

Mr Alan · 08-01-2009 05:56PM

Smegball wrote: »

For Christ sakes, give the lads some time, everybody has dips in form. Look at Xabi Alonso, first season was absolutely amazing, last couple of seasons very very dissapointing and people wanted him out for Barry, this season? Back to his best.

Give the lads some time.

in fairness, that is a ridiculous comparrison.

joined liverpool, amazing in his first season, very good in his second season, decent in his third season, very average in his 4th season, amazing in his 5th season.

Nani, joined Utd, poor in his first season apart from a couple of decent goals. Poorer in his second season thus far.

Apart from momentary glimpses in single matches, Nani has never shown he is a top player (copyright redknapp), whereas Alonso has proven his class before his loss in form.

Boggles · 08-01-2009 05:58PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Honestly you are intolerable at times.

Nani has been very poor in general at United. He loses the ball way too much and is far too greedy also. Defending what he has done so far for United is just ridiculous. Its easy to have those stats at United with all the attacking prowess around him, it does not mean that he is playing well. His overall general play at United so far could be easily described as headless, greedy and lacking vision.

However I would be in the camp that believes that he is a future superstar when he gains more experience.

I do believe that the best thing United could do is to buy someone to compete with him for his position. I think that would fastrack his development as he does seem ultra competitive.

TBH you used up all your credits on judging a player when you stated Toure was on of the best centre backs in the league. Apologies if I don't engage you in this, you have no idea what your talking about as far I have seen from your nonsense posts.

Mr Alan · 08-01-2009 05:59PM

astrofool wrote: »

What type of rose red tinted eyewear are you wearing? Last year at Anfield United won at a canter, scored before half time, and Liverpool barely had a chance all match. Year before, O'Shea robbed you of a draw.

we had a shed load of chances in the game at Anfield last year. the year before we were robbed of a draw & we dominated the game.most utd fans admitted this at the time, no tinted glasses with me, its Utd game plan when they play us-this year it didnt work as they made mistakes & we have a higher calibre of player than we have previous years.

James Forde · 08-01-2009 06:07PM

Anderson bossed the midfield that day, ask most football supporters and they will agree

eagle eye · 08-01-2009 06:07PM

Boggles wrote: »

TBH you used up all your credits on judging a player when you stated Toure was on of the best centre backs in the league. Apologies if I don't engage you in this, you have no idea what your talking about as far I have seen from your nonsense posts.

One bad half season, where injury has played a part, does not make Kolo Toure a bad player.

And to the post above in general, my response is good and keep it that way.

redout · 08-01-2009 06:08PM

eZe^ wrote: »

He's won UEFA Club Player of The Year?

He won a European cup on his own.:)

Ok not quite true but he had a major part to play in it.

James Forde · 08-01-2009 06:09PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

we had a shed load of chances in the game at Anfield last year. the year before we were robbed of a draw & we dominated the game.most utd fans admitted this at the time, no tinted glasses with me, its Utd game plan when they play us-this year it didnt work as they made mistakes & we have a higher calibre of player than we have previous years.

Robbie Keane?

Boggles · 08-01-2009 06:11PM

eagle eye wrote: »

One bad half season, where injury has played a part, does not make Kolo Toure a bad player.

Never said he was a bad player, just not one of the best CB's in the league. :rolleyes:

eagle eye · 08-01-2009 06:24PM

Boggles wrote: »

Never said he was a bad player, just not one of the best CB's in the league. :rolleyes:

Well he has been over the last number of years. But isn't this a Nani thread?

Mr Alan · 08-01-2009 08:34PM

bryanjf wrote: »

Robbie Keane?

Robbie Keane, Albert Riera, Martin Skrtl

eirebhoy · 08-01-2009 09:17PM

I thought he was rubbish last night. Final straw with me too and I don't support them.

Jivin Turkey · 08-01-2009 10:27PM

So many similarities between Nani and Ronaldo in his first few years.

He'll score a tonne of goals in a couple of seasons too, but the poor crossing will persist, similar to Ronaldo.

Warper · 09-01-2009 12:26AM

United should get rid of Nani, Ronaldo and the poor mans Messi - Tevez. Nani is simply braindead, Ronaldo has his eye on himself and Tevez just runs around a lot. I originally thought Tevez was good but really he is just a workhorse - i hope Argentina realise this too and drop him.

internelligent · 09-01-2009 12:57AM

Warper wrote: »

United should get rid of Nani, Ronaldo and the poor mans Messi - Tevez. Nani is simply braindead, Ronaldo has his eye on himself and Tevez just runs around a lot. I originally thought Tevez was good but really he is just a workhorse - i hope Argentina realise this too and drop him.

+1

Frisbee · 09-01-2009 12:59AM

Warper wrote: »

United should get rid of Nani, Ronaldo and the poor mans Messi - Tevez. Nani is simply braindead, Ronaldo has his eye on himself and Tevez just runs around a lot. I originally thought Tevez was good but really he is just a workhorse - i hope Argentina realise this too and drop him.

Are you having a laugh?

keane2097 · 09-01-2009 01:04AM

Warper wrote: »

United should get rid of Nani, Ronaldo and the poor mans Messi - Tevez. Nani is simply braindead, Ronaldo has his eye on himself and Tevez just runs around a lot. I originally thought Tevez was good but really he is just a workhorse - i hope Argentina realise this too and drop him.

I wish there was a "sarcastic thanks" button.

17. Nani

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