17. Nani

bamboozling

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

If this made your day, you need to get out more.



Are you capable of making a post without trying to have pathetic little digs at Utd fans? The bitterness is rife.



How dare you compare Nani's rise to fame with Lucas.

Lucas is now a regular starter for Brazil and in my mind one of the best defensive midfielders in the league in my opinion. Both have come a long way since January 2009. Because one has come farther than the other doesn't diminish the other's achievements.

roryc

bamboozling wrote: »

That doesn't take allegiances into account. The likes of Iago, Rory C, Carroler 16, Deise Devil and others were very vehement in their criticism of Nani. Rather a lot of United fans were proven very, very wrong. You even expressed your doubts about him.

At least you've learned the name of the club. Manchester United, not Trafford FC.

Also, since when has Lucas proven himself???

keane2097

bamboozling wrote: »

That doesn't take allegiances into account. The likes of Iago, Rory C, Carroler 16, Deise Devil and others were very vehement in their criticism of Nani. Rather a lot of United fans were proven very, very wrong. You even expressed your doubts about him.

Don't worry about rowing back on my account, it was a rhetorical question anyway.

bamboozling

roryc wrote: »

At least you've learned the name of the club. Manchester United, not Trafford FC.

Also, since when has Lucas proven himself???

Probably the game against Chelsea at Anfield where he was man of the match.

Since he has played 90 minutes in every game since 24 October bar one where he was suspended and one other.

Since he became first choice midfielder for Brazil post World cup.

Look I talk a lot of shít but you can't dispute the fact that Lucas has proven himself to be a very useful and good player.

The_Kew_Tour

bamboozling wrote: »

Look I talk a lot of shít but you can't dispute the fact that Lucas has proven himself to be a very useful and good player.

That's the most accurate thing you have ever said on this fourm if not the only accurate statement

J. Marston

Lucas = Poor mans Paul Green.

keane2097

People still questioning Lucas' quality don't watch enough soccer IMO.

super_furry

keane2097 wrote: »

People still questioning Lucas' quality don't watch enough soccer IMO.

It's just lazy thinking from people who get their opinions from tabloids.

homerjay2005

J. Marston wrote: »

Thank God Fergie stuck with Nani.
If I was told 18 months ago he would be the best winger in the league I would have laughed.

i got into a debate about nani 14 months ago in a pub, people were slagging him off. i put a bet on with the barman that nani would prove himself to be world class and would be a future world player of the year canditate. he wrote it down, i signed it and its sitting in a glass over the til.

if he keeps going as he is and united win a few trophies, there is no reason why he wont be a top player and up for the final 3 in the world player of the year.

eZe^

homerjay2005 wrote: »

if he keeps going as he is and united win a few trophies, there is no reason why he wont be a top player and up for the final 3 in the world player of the year.

In how many seasons?

Mitch Connor

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i got into a debate about nani 14 months ago in a pub, people were slagging him off. i put a bet on with the barman that nani would prove himself to be world class and would be a future world player of the year canditate. he wrote it down, i signed it and its sitting in a glass over the til.

if he keeps going as he is and united win a few trophies, there is no reason why he wont be a top player and up for the final 3 in the world player of the year.

While I think he has been great this season, I don't think he will even by up for player of the year in england, never mind WPOTY.

People just don't like him and while he stats show him to be a very effective footballer when you watch him every game he is still the most infuriating player on the pitch in every game. Look at the birmingham game as a prime example. Got himself a goal, well done. Wasted approximately a billion (or 5/6/7) really really good chances by shooting when the pass/cross was clearly the choice to make.

Regardless of the infuriating selfishness to his game at times, I think he will be consistently overlooked for POTY awards because of who he is. People will always see him as a spoiled, petulant, moaning, diving, preening waster. He dives (or makes a meal of things) and moans far too much to get people 'onside' which is required to win trophies.

Of course, CRonaldo has shown that when you are THAT good you will be recognised, but I don't think Nani has it in him to be as dominating as Ronaldo is/was to push him up to the level required.

In saying all that, he would certainly be up there for POTY for United, along with Vidic, and if I had my way he WOULD be considered for PL POTY at least. He has been the best winger in the league this season, and in terms of conventional wingers there are very few to touch him in world football at the moment. imo.

eZe^

eZe^ wrote: »

In how many seasons?

tbh, he should be there or there abouts this season if Bale (as it looks likely) will be in the top 10. Maybe if he has a good KO stages of the CL he'll be more in the reckoning but people always seem to prefer the goalscorers over the people setting them up. Look at how long it took for Xavi to get the recognition he deserves.

eZe^

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Look at the birmingham game as a prime example. Got himself a goal, well done. Wasted approximately a billion (or 5/6/7) really really good chances by shooting when the pass/cross was clearly the choice to make.

That'll come with experience though, he's moving in the right direction, which is the encouraging thing. In 3 seasons time he could potentially fill the void Cristiano left perfectly.

Liam O wrote: »

tbh, he should be there or there abouts this season if Bale (as it looks likely) will be in the top 10. Maybe if he has a good KO stages of the CL he'll be more in the reckoning but people always seem to prefer the goalscorers over the people setting them up. Look at how long it took for Xavi to get the recognition he deserves.

Thing is Xavi has been magnificent since 2003 for Barcelona, he was just not rated that highly outside of hard core La Liga followers. Nani is still closer to raw potential than someone who's a world beater but just not getting any credit imo, but he's come on leaps and bounds, he's an excellent player, but nowhere near the top3 in the world yet.

eZe^

eZe^ wrote: »

That'll come with experience though, he's moving in the right direction, which is the encouraging thing. In 3 seasons time he could potentially fill the void Cristiano left perfectly.






Thing is Xavi has been magnificent since 2003 for Barcelona, he was just not rated that highly outside of hard core La Liga followers. Nani is still closer to raw potential than someone who's a world beater but just not getting any credit imo, but he's come on leaps and bounds, he's an excellent player, but nowhere near the top3 in the world yet.

If United make it to the semis or final of the CL this season and he is the star attacking performer then I don't see why he wouldn't be included in the debate. He has that ability that when both himself and the team are playing rubbish he'll pop up with a great cross or shot and get a goal or assist. I don't mind him being wasteful when I know that he is capable from those positions I can accept him missing 3 in a game and coming up with a goal or assist, same as with Ronaldo.

homerjay2005

Mitch Connor wrote: »

While I think he has been great this season, I don't think he will even by up for player of the year in england, never mind WPOTY.

he will be though alot depends on who is playing well in the next 6 weeks when the votes are cast.

Paully D

keane2097 wrote: »

People still questioning Lucas' quality don't watch enough soccer IMO.

I agree, but these misconceptions are very common.

If I was to tell you that Titus Bramble is a very good defender what would your response be?

Paully D

Mitch Connor wrote: »

While I think he has been great this season, I don't think he will even by up for player of the year in england, never mind WPOTY.

It's all but guaranteed that he will be I reckon.

Nani, Vidic, Nasri, VDV, Berbatov and Tevez will be the main candidates. Vidic or Nasri will probably win it.

Wilshere, Bale, Henderson, Johnson and Hart will be up for the young player of the year award. Bale will win it.

keane2097

Paully D wrote: »

I agree, but these misconceptions are very common.

If I was to tell you that Titus Bramble is a very good defender what would your response be?

I watch soccer, what do you think my response will be?

If you're making the point that an incredible amount of posts here are informed by tabloids rather than actual knowledge or first hand information (ie actually watching games) then I obv agree.

keane2097

Also, lol at Nani being considered for World Player of the Year.

deisedevil

deisedevil wrote: »

That's exactly his problem. I have been saying it since he came to the club, he rarely picks the right option and he's selfish, along with being a bit of a brat, but i wouldn't care about that if he started to play well. At the beginning I was defending him saying he needed time but now I'm starting to wonder if it's just time he needs or if he's ever going to start doing the right thing at the right time.

Just seen my comment from back then.

It's great to say he's finally picking the right options and has become a better team player. Really enjoy watching him play now rather than being constantly frustrated with him.

I have no idea what way I voted but I'm glad he's still with us and still improving.

CR 7

deisedevil wrote: »

Just seen my comment from back then.

It's great to say he's finally picking the right options and has become a better team player. Really enjoy watching him play now rather than being constantly frustrated with him.

I have no idea what way I voted but I'm glad he's still with us and still improving.

Whichever one is in italics.


I've always been a defender of Nani, I like his style of play, and his first few goals and that showboating v Arsenal endeared him to me.

deisedevil

Park Ji Sung wrote: »

Whichever one is in italics.


I've always been a defender of Nani, I like his style of play, and his first few goals and that showboating v Arsenal endeared him to me.

Ah right thanks.

I said Yes. I feel the shame.

I might even ease up on Gibson for a bit just for that.

Paully D

keane2097 wrote: »

I watch soccer, what do you think my response will be?

If you're making the point that an incredible amount of posts here are informed by tabloids rather than actual knowledge or first hand information (ie actually watching games) then I obv agree.

That's exactly the point I was trying to make mate.

Headshot

Warper wrote: »

United should get rid of Nani, Ronaldo and the poor mans Messi - Tevez. Nani is simply braindead, Ronaldo has his eye on himself and Tevez just runs around a lot. I originally thought Tevez was good but really he is just a workhorse - i hope Argentina realise this too and drop him.

lol and then he goes on to create a thread about his admiration for tevez but I though you said Tevez is a work horse


Such a super Fail

#15

Headshot wrote: »

lol and then he goes on to create that deleted thread

such a stupid move by you warper

Was just going to bump this thread too.

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United should get rid of Nani, Ronaldo and the poor mans Messi - Tevez. Nani is simply braindead, Ronaldo has his eye on himself and Tevez just runs around a lot. I originally thought Tevez was good but really he is just a workhorse - i hope Argentina realise this too and drop him.

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This man doesnt need paragraphs about how good he is.

He is the best player in the EPL and has been since Ronaldo left. An absolute match-winner and a top bloke to boot.

LOL

He has made some **** posts in the past, but even by his standards, this is a new low.
Anyone else would be embarrassed.