Poland - 'No Irish need apply'

faceman · 02-01-2009 02:34PM

DubDani wrote: »

Anyone ever considered another "legitimate" reason for such signs?

For example that they would not want to the Irish to build the same shoddy buildings in Poland that the Irish were building for the last 15 years in Ireland.

The Irish builders (or developers) should be ashamed of the standard of buildings that have been put up in the last 15 years. In most other countries hardly any of the new Apartment complexes/estates would have passed any building regulations.

So in that context I can absolutely understand the "No Irish Need to Apply signs.

Um, what are you basing those wild comments on? Are you familiar with all standards in Europe? Which are the "most other countries"? Since when do "builders" set the standards of building quality?

SimpleSam06 · 02-01-2009 02:34PM

byronic wrote: »

Paying rent adds nothing to the economy??

Thats correct. Building houses adds nothing to the economy either, so the picture gets a lot more horrible, even ignoring economic migrants. Every penny of those mortgages, the entire property boom, has to be paid out of future earnings, thereby destroying vast swathes of future productive wealth. Thats a digression from the topic, however.

Crackerspray · 02-01-2009 02:37PM

Its funny how the polish came to Ireland, the majority were taken under the wing of Irish society, given jobs, educated and even had polish religious ceremonies, newspaper sections, bars, clubs etc. Irish banks even went to Poland to help lay down an economic structure so they could build up to what they have now. OF COURSE, it was a business venture, but it partially took Irish finance and knowledge!

All this given to them and when the sh!t hit the fan, Poland throws more in our face!
Thanks Poland!

Dudess · 02-01-2009 02:37PM

[Jackass] wrote: »

Now we're not welcome in their conutry. Nice.

Not quite. Some of us are not welcome to apply for a particular type of job there... if the story is true of course.

Crackerspray wrote: »

All this given to them and when the sh!t hit the fan, Poland throws more in our face!
Thanks Poland!

"Poland" does? And has the story been verified?

sillymoo · 02-01-2009 02:43PM

Darragh29 · 02-01-2009 02:43PM

A polish guy once said to me, "We don't like your women much, but we'll take your money"...

Kind of wraps up the attitude I found from them...

Dudess · 02-01-2009 02:44PM

One guy... Fair enough.

Cianos · 02-01-2009 02:44PM

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

Again, its a question of scale. A hundred euros a week might not be much, but multiply that by a few hundred thousand and you get a very different picture. During the boom it might have been barely sustainable, but due to poor government decisions at the time, we are now haemorrhaging cash at an astonishing rate. Yes, I know government decisions are not their fault, but it doesn't change the reality of the situation.

The economy a few years ago had plenty of room for an influx of hard working low wage workers that would push things along nicely for the rest of us. The downside of having an (apparently low) % of their wages leaving the country is more than balanced by the fact that they helped boost the economy when they were needed.

As you said, due to poor governing that balance has been mismanaged and their money sent back to Poland only now seems more significant. But we can't have it both ways. If we elected a government that can't handle the good times, it's our own fault. The Polish have every right to jump ship when it suits them.

Toto Wolfcastle · 02-01-2009 02:47PM

Darragh29 wrote: »

A polish guy once said to me, "We don't like your women much, but we'll take your money"...

Kind of wraps up the attitude I found from them...

Say, for instance, I said "I don't like that Darragh29 one much."

Do you think this would sum up the attitude of all the Irish people?

SimpleSam06 · 02-01-2009 02:50PM

Cianos wrote: »

The economy a few years ago had plenty of room for an influx of hard working low wage workers that would push things along nicely for the rest of us. The downside of having an (apparently low) % of their wages leaving the country is more than balanced by the fact that they helped boost the economy when they were needed.

I would debate that they helped the economy more or less than they depressed wages in the sectors they gravitated towards, tbh. The country was wealthy before they arrived. I'm also not sure where you are getting an "apparently low %", as we have no data one way or the other. Regardless of the amount, you also run into the Keynesian multiplier effect.

The people who are paid for working usually spend most on consumption goods and save the rest. This extra spending allows businesses to hire more people and pay them, which in turn allows a further increase consumer spending.

This process continues. At each step, the increase in spending is smaller than in the previous step, so that the multiplier process tapers off and allows the attainment of an equilibrium. This story is modified and moderated if we move beyond a "closed economy" and bring in the role of taxation: the rise in imports and tax payments, or excessive remittances at each step reduces the amount of induced consumer spending and the size of the multiplier effect.

Cianos wrote: »

The Polish have every right to jump ship when it suits them.

And good luck to them.

FloorBoard · 02-01-2009 02:53PM

faceman wrote: »

Since when do "builders" set the standards of building quality?

Since all government officials started taking backhanders.

Mc Love · 02-01-2009 02:53PM

janeybabe wrote: »

Say, for instance, I said "I don't like that Darragh29 one much."

Do you think this would sum up the attitude of all the Irish people?

Yeah that Darragh29 is some C U Next Tuesday

SkepticOne · 02-01-2009 02:56PM

The whole source for the story seems to be SIPTU trade union official, Michael Kilcoyne. There's no independent verification of his claims. How widespread are these signs? His real concern, I suspect, is to stir up anti-Polish sentiment in Ireland among Irish workers and politicians.

Crackerspray · 02-01-2009 02:58PM

Dudess wrote: »

"Poland" does? And has the story been verified?

I heard a similar story a couple of months ago through my uncle who is and has been working over in Poland for four years now. He said that the Irish are getting "a very cold reception" from the polish employers. I'm quite angered by the situation as I don't ever remember seeing any of my employers abuse a Polish worker, nor have I done so!

Gummy Panda · 02-01-2009 03:00PM

Could there have been one sign on a site that was joke put there by the builders and not contractor/foreman?

There might have been irish on the site and this was a prank on him that got blown out of context.

We need pics and someone to ask managers of the site.

Dudess · 02-01-2009 03:04PM

Crackerspray wrote: »

I heard a similar story a couple of months ago through my uncle who is and has been working over in Poland for four years now. He said that the Irish are getting "a very cold reception" from the polish employers. I'm quite angered by the situation as I don't ever remember seeing any of my employers abuse a Polish worker, nor have I done so!

Blaming the entire country of Poland (population 38.5 million) is as bad as certain Polish employers discriminating against any Irish applicant for work over there...

SimpleSam06 · 02-01-2009 03:04PM

Same story in the Irish Times. God help him if hes making it up.

Darragh29 · 02-01-2009 03:05PM

Crackerspray wrote: »

I heard a similar story a couple of months ago through my uncle who is and has been working over in Poland for four years now. He said that the Irish are getting "a very cold reception" from the polish employers. I'm quite angered by the situation as I don't ever remember seeing any of my employers abuse a Polish worker, nor have I done so!

The first thing that goes out the window when a boom comes along is decency. We don't need signs outside building sites in Poland to tell us that!

Dudess · 02-01-2009 03:06PM

DubDani wrote: »

Anyone ever considered another "legitimate" reason for such signs?

For example that they would not want to the Irish to build the same shoddy buildings in Poland that the Irish were building for the last 15 years in Ireland.

The Irish builders (or developers) should be ashamed of the standard of buildings that have been put up in the last 15 years. In most other countries hardly any of the new Apartment complexes/estates would have passed any building regulations.

So in that context I can absolutely understand the "No Irish Need to Apply signs.

While I agree with you about the conditions of some Irish developments, I don't think some random Irish guy who's a builder should be held accountable for the corner-cutting done by large construction companies.

Highsider · 02-01-2009 03:08PM

The fecking cheek of them. Can you imagine if we had put up "No American's need apply" sign's in the 80's here in Ireland just because lads from here went to America and got treated like ****e on the sites.:mad: Bloodly madness.

old boy · 02-01-2009 03:11PM

FloorBoard wrote: »

They are just right, look after your own people.

Sure was Paddy Go Getter not ripping off the foreigners for years, thinking he was the big shot. Not bend over Paddy.

Maybe all our little politically correct Irish people will finally realise they have been had, how does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot, Paddy?

(And by the way, I am an Irishman myself, but not a "european".)

2 years ago my son was told on a building site in cork that it was polish only.
also he was the last irish man on the limerick side of the shannon tunell, that was over 12 months ago,

CantGetNoSleep · 02-01-2009 03:11PM

We have all hated them Polski cnuts on this forum for a few years, why the fcuk would we go to a sh1thole of a country full of them?

Thank fcuk they are going home

Dudess · 02-01-2009 03:12PM

Darragh29 wrote: »

A polish guy once said to me, "We don't like your women much, but we'll take your money"...

Kind of wraps up the attitude I found from them...

I lived with two Polish guys who were absolutely wonderful people so, surprisingly, from a country with a population of 38.5 million, there are nice people too.
That said, just because those two guys are lovely, doesn't mean I'm gonna think "Polish people are all lovely" either, because that's just stupid.

Rb · 02-01-2009 03:13PM

This may be too sensible, but how about everyone keeps calm until there's actual evidence of this going on?

I can see this story spreading like wildfire, if I were a Pole living here I'd start to get concerned.

Highsider · 02-01-2009 03:14PM

Yeah they've been treated like ****e by us for years now :rolleyes:. I've worked with the polish before on numerous occasions and can say truthfully i've never seen polish people being treated any differently than the Irish

ejmaztec · 02-01-2009 03:15PM

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

We have all hated them Polski cnuts on this forum for a few years, why the fcuk would we go to a sh1thole of a country full of them?

Thank fcuk they are going home

Who is this "we" to whom you refer?

javaboy · 02-01-2009 03:15PM

Rb wrote: »

This may be too sensible, but how about everyone keeps calm until there's actual evidence of this going on?

You've obviously been away too long. That's not how we do things. Now what'll it be: Pitchfork or torch?

CantGetNoSleep · 02-01-2009 03:15PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Who is this "we" to whom you refer?

The Irish from "No Irish" signs

Rb · 02-01-2009 03:17PM

javaboy wrote: »

You've obviously been away too long. That's not how we do things. Now what'll it be: Pitchfork or torch?

Ah, well I suppose everyone loves a mob, eh?!

I'll take a pitchfork and a copy of the sign this guy is holding please.

CantGetNoSleep · 02-01-2009 03:19PM

Rb wrote: »

Ah, well I suppose everyone loves a mob, eh?!

I'll take a pitchfork and a copy of the sign this guy is holding please.

I think this chap must post in AH

If you are here can you own up please?

Does anyone know this chap personally?

Poland - 'No Irish need apply'

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