The wind that shakes the barley

darkdubh · 15-12-2008 05:19PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

maybe they should have extended the film and shown what these brave heroes
did to Protestant families in the Cork area a few years later

Is that you Eoghan Harris?

Shacklebolt · 15-12-2008 05:21PM

darkdubh wrote: »

Is that you Eoghan Harris?

I have a suspicion its Peter Hart.

CountingCrows · 15-12-2008 05:24PM

SEPT 23 1989

So Brandon, why did you walk out on the Arizona Wildcats? Were you required to bless yourself before each game?

Sarah** · 15-12-2008 05:24PM

Thanks Gone Drinking

lol

Obviously there is alot of inacuracies but the bottom line of the film is based on true events in the Irish history.

Lockstep · 15-12-2008 05:25PM

Anthem hadn't been translated into Irish at that point.

Unless some of those Cork boyos were adept at transcribing it themselves.

SEPT 23 1989 · 15-12-2008 05:30PM

CountingCrows wrote: »

SEPT 23 1989

So Brandon, why did you walk out on the Arizona Wildcats? Were you required to bless yourself before each game?

ejmaztec · 15-12-2008 05:31PM

Didn't the original film go on for 800 years before it was edited down to two hours?

kraggy · 15-12-2008 05:32PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It made me hate Cork people.

You didn't actually need the film to do that, did you??

Nodin · 15-12-2008 05:32PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

maybe they should have extended the film and shown what these brave heroes
did to Protestant families in the Cork area a few years later

That discredited sh/ite? Spare me. I've no doubt there were atrocities, but that piece of crap was pure nonsense. Selective quoting, dubious interpretation of the facts abounded.

Shacklebolt · 15-12-2008 05:33PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Didn't the original film go on for 800 years before it was edited down to two hours?

'A quick history of Anglo-Irish conflict'... Now thats a film I would like to see! I insist on playing Wolfe Tone for the 30 seconds he would be in it.

Dragan · 15-12-2008 05:33PM

Sarah** wrote: »

Obviously there is alot of inacuracies but the bottom line of the film is based on true events in the Irish history.

Indeed. I think they got the fact that there was a war on right.

stovelid · 15-12-2008 05:33PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

maybe they should have extended the film and shown what these brave heroes
did to Protestant families in the Cork area a few years later

But it did.

They were all dirty informers in checked plus-fours who loathed living in a "priest-infested backwater", and were sorted out for forcing young Irish ginger cowhands in their employ to take the queen's shilling.

Deedsie · 15-12-2008 05:35PM

Would i be right in saying there were more historical innacuracies in Michael Collins?

I think its a great film. I have no problem with British people, but i think films like this are good at highlighting the History and informing people who dont have the interest to read up on the History of Ireland.

Id prefer the Cork accent to some Jackeens. A pleasure to listen to in comparison.

Quazzie · 15-12-2008 05:38PM

Deedsie wrote: »

Would i be right in saying there were more historical innacuracies in Michael Collins?

I think its a great film. I have no problem with British people, but i think films like this are good at highlighting the History and informing people who dont have the interest to read up on the History of Ireland.

Id prefer the Cork accent to some Jackeens. A pleasure to listen to in comparison.

So essentially telling people some made up version of the truth.... perfectly acceptable as long as its entertaining... eh.... NO!!

Sarah** · 15-12-2008 05:38PM

Dragan wrote: »

Indeed. I think they got the fact that there was a war on right.

Sorry my bad - i should have worded that better!!

I should now go on and correct myself but i couldnt be bothered!! You know what i meant!

:D

Iang87 · 15-12-2008 05:39PM

flyton5 wrote: »

It was over 80 years ago. Get over it. If Sinn Fein and the DUP can powershare in Stormont you can get through "The Wind That Shakes The Barley" without wanting to petrol bomb a truck full of British people. To be fair the only people who still hate the "Brits" are knackers who sit about pubs all day claiming to be in the IRA while drinking the dole money.

oh you're one of those who forgot your history. i dont hate them but i will never like them, and i'm not a knacker who sits around in a pub all day spending dole money. interesting isn't it, you were wrong

Nodin · 15-12-2008 05:43PM

Iang87 wrote: »

oh you're one of those who forgot your history. i dont hate them but i will never like them, and i'm not a knacker who sits around in a pub all day spending dole money. interesting isn't it, you were wrong

Indeed. People should always be aware of their history. It should give us a better of understanding of other peoples who have been or are being oppressed. Certainly I don't think that just because its somebody else, colonialism becomes suddenly "ok".

stovelid · 15-12-2008 05:45PM

Deedsie wrote: »

I think its a great film. I have no problem with British people, but i think films like this are good at highlighting the History and informing people who dont have the interest to read up on the History of Ireland.

I thought it was a good film (and Micheal Collins) too, but the problem is that these films set out to pander to sentimentalized and selective historical depictions of what is basically still a very touchy subject.

I personally find it sad that anybody would think a film like TWTSTB should be seen a substitute for read(ing) up on the History of Ireland.

briantwin · 15-12-2008 05:48PM

I know what you mean about that movie awakening a small anti-English sentiment after watching it. Having said that, there are far bigger and more frustrating things going on in Ireland today to be annoyed about.

Sarah** · 15-12-2008 05:51PM

Just making sure all know i didnt sit down on the couch lastnight for a history lesson, im very well aware of the history of ireland.

I think for people who have no time for history or for people who didnt do History as one of their choice subjects for the leaving it would spark an interest in the history of ireland, as would Michael Collins.

Agent Smith · 15-12-2008 05:51PM

i've threw up more factuall things

ejmaztec · 15-12-2008 05:55PM

Shacklebolt wrote: »

'A quick history of Anglo-Irish conflict'... Now thats a film I would like to see! I insist on playing Wolfe Tone for the 30 seconds he would be in it.

Bearing in mind the recession, It'd be low budget and you'd have to play Countess Markievicz and also Cromwell's army.

BoardsRanger · 15-12-2008 05:56PM

I thought it was more socailist film and it focused in more on the civil war aspects.

15-12-2008 05:58PM

It was a good movie. Too long though. And not enough sex or car chases or laser pistols. And lightsabers. Man, history is fun.

Irish Halo · 15-12-2008 05:58PM

Iang87 wrote: »

i will never like them

Really, you are joking of course, no one would honestly blame the current British population for their predecessors actions, would they? I mean that would be ridiculous.

You know they are people too? Some are nice, some are not, some are stupid, some are not, do really mean to tell me that by virtue of being born within the boundaries of the UK you will not like someone?

If you were born in the UK I'd point you towards the local BNP office, is there an Irish equivalent yet?

Tchaikovsky · 15-12-2008 06:00PM

The song ('the Wind that Shakes the Barley') is beautiful aswell, although it's about the 1798 Rebellion.

I sat within the valley green, I sat me with my true love
My sad heart strove the two between, the old love and the new love
The old for her, the new that made me think on Ireland dearly
While soft the wind blew down the glen and shook the golden barley

'Twas hard the woeful words to frame to break the ties that bound us
But harder still to bear the shame of foreign chains around us
And so I said, "The mountain glen I'll seek at morning early
And join the bold united men, while soft winds shake the barley"

While sad I kissed away her tears, my fond arms round her flinging
The foeman's shot burst on our ears from out the wildwood ringing
A bullet pierced my true love's side in life's young spring so early
And on my breast in blood she died while soft winds shook the barley

But blood for blood without remorse I've taken at Oulart Hollow
And laid my true love's clay cold corpse where I full soon may follow
As round her grave I wander drear, noon, night and morning early
With breaking heart when e'er I hear the wind that shakes the barley

Gorgeous.

Lockstep · 15-12-2008 06:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It was a good movie. Too long though. And not enough sex or car chases or laser pistols. And lightsabers. Man, history is fun.

I for one would welcome the inclusion of DeValera as a jive talking robot in Michael Collins.

Heard a few rumours about a James Connolly movie in the pipeline.
Now that I would like to see.

Tchaikovsky · 15-12-2008 06:04PM

stovelid wrote: »

I thought it was a good film (and Micheal Collins) too, but the problem is that these films set out to pander to sentimentalized and selective historical depictions of what is basically still a very touchy subject.

A bit like 'Schindler's List', right?

Nodin · 15-12-2008 06:04PM

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Heard a few rumours about a James Connolly movie in the pipeline.
Now that I would like to see.

Since I heard we were going to have Leonardo di caprio as Brian Boru, I now wait until they announce the cast before getting my hopes up.

Morlar · 15-12-2008 06:13PM

Nodin wrote: »

Since I heard we were going to have Leonardo di caprio as Brian Boru, I now wait until they announce the cast before getting my hopes up.

I am holding out for Colin Farrell to play Dan Breen.

The wind that shakes the barley

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