Botulism outbreak claims life of heroin user in Dublin

boring_job_guy · 12-12-2008 03:47PM

Terry wrote: »

So America is to blame for some idiot deciding to abuse a highly addictive drug?

no, but it's their regime that caused the death. Otherwise users would have just taken their safe, quality controlled heroin (and medical grade heroin is quite safe- they give it to cancer patients) and death-rates would drop drastically.

I don't want to hear the bleeding heart 'oh, but he didn't know he would get addicted. Poor timmy' bull that usually accompanies these threads.

I see.... what you're saying is that if you take heroin you get exactly what you deserve.

I totally agree. However it's actually the illegality of heroin that causes most of the problems not the heroin itself. Otherwise there'd be no more problems with it than tobacoo (which is equally addictive).

These extra problems the addict does not deserve.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 12-12-2008 03:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

side-note: if it had been a famous model who died of botulism, we'd all be angry at the drug dealer.

There's a recent thread around here you clearly missed!

Dudess · 12-12-2008 04:04PM

Once again, the usual judgemental, heartless, hypocritical high-horse mounting from people who haven't got a clue what they're on about and no doubt plenty of them go out and get absolutely smashed at least one night a week and may develop alcoholism in years to come, or serious liver problems, and ruin the lives of those around them... but that's ok, because alcohol is legal.

12-12-2008 04:05PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

There's a recent thread around here you clearly missed!

linky? i'm intrigued

rubadub · 12-12-2008 04:12PM

I hear tescos are recalling all heroin and giving full refunds, well Anto outside the back of tesco.

Most heroin "overdoses" are actually deaths due to contaminations, and most true overdoses are unexpectedly pure heroin, i.e. they have no regulation to see what does they are taking.

If drug addicts were dying after illegally buying smuggled contaminated tobacco there would be more pity, even though they also would have performed an illegal act (and funded organised crime blah blah).

Kaptain Redeye wrote: »

I disagree, Id never heard about katie french before she died.

But thats the point, neither did I, but if a pretty model had died from heroin it would be the same story.

ordinary_story · 12-12-2008 04:18PM

Dear God is somebody trying to suggest that there may be a health risk in using an intravenously applied uncontrolled substance:eek:

Terry · 12-12-2008 04:22PM

boring_job_guy wrote: »

no, but it's their regime that caused the death. Otherwise users would have just taken their safe, quality controlled heroin (and medical grade heroin is quite safe- they give it to cancer patients) and death-rates would drop drastically.

I see.... what you're saying is that if you take heroin you get exactly what you deserve.

I totally agree. However it's actually the illegality of heroin that causes most of the problems not the heroin itself. Otherwise there'd be no more problems with it than tobacoo (which is equally addictive).

These extra problems the addict does not deserve.

So you think that it's ok for people to take a drug that consumes your entire life?

I don't think it is, but then again, what would I know? I'm only addicted to legal drugs.

rubadub, many people OD when they relapse and take the amount they took before getting clean. Their bodies can't cope with the extra heroin.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 12-12-2008 04:29PM

ordinary_story wrote: »

Dear God is somebody trying to suggest that there may be a health risk in using an intravenously applied uncontrolled substance:eek:

I agree. How 'safe' is something like heroin anyway at the best of times?

It is a little sad that some-one died, but anyone that takes heroin surely realises the dangers associated with it.

the_syco · 12-12-2008 04:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

since when is everyone on boards so fucking high

Someone donated a black bin bag of weed yesterday to AH.

boring_job_guy wrote: »

These extra problems the addict does not deserve.

I call it karma. You harm someone when mugging them to get funds, you die from the heroin that you buy with the funds.

Dudess wrote: »

Once again, the usual judgemental, heartless, hypocritical high-horse mounting from people who haven't got a clue what they're on about and no doubt plenty of them go out and get absolutely smashed at least one night a week and may develop alcoholism in years to come, or serious liver problems, and ruin the lives of those around them... but that's ok, because alcohol is legal.

They took a choice, they failed at life. I've been offered free coke, E, acid, various tablets, and I've refused. It's not if it's legal or not, it's if you know what may happen, but still take it.

Dudess · 12-12-2008 04:32PM

ordinary_story wrote: »

Dear God is somebody trying to suggest that there may be a health risk in using an intravenously applied uncontrolled substance:eek:

You say that as if all heroin is spiked with poison.

Anti · 12-12-2008 04:35PM

oh noes, another dirty junkie dead. What a shame

Terry · 12-12-2008 04:35PM

Dudess wrote: »

You say that as if all heroin is spiked with poison.

Not the case, but it can still kill you.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 12-12-2008 04:37PM

Issac Many Ferret wrote: »

I agree. How 'safe' is something like heroin anyway at the best of times?

It is a little sad that some-one died, but anyone that takes heroin surely realises the dangers associated with it.

Considering how many junkies exist it would appear it usually doesn't kill you.

Have to admit my first thought was "good, one less junkie". I really hate being near them. With their veiled-threat begspeak and having to watch your back in case they have a syringe.

boring_job_guy · 12-12-2008 04:38PM

Terry wrote: »

Not the case, but it can still kill you.

Not really if you were taking a measured dose.

Dudess · 12-12-2008 04:41PM

the_syco wrote:

It's not if it's legal or not, it's if you know what may happen, but still take it.

It's totally a case of whether it's legal or not - the people here who regularly moralise about drug use never express any outrage about binge-drinking. In fact they condone it.
And don't tell me some kid whose illiterate mother had him when she was 16 and offers him a home with absolutely zero stability and often neglects him and he lives in extreme poverty and squalour and has dropped out of school barely into his teens... don't tell me that kid isn't a victim and is strong enough to refuse or resist heroin.

It's extremely arrogant and ignorant of people here to think "oh if I were him I'd just flat out refuse to take it". Like you'd fukking know...

havana · 12-12-2008 04:45PM

Why why why do i continue to open these threads. I know as i'm doing it i'm going to regret it. Some people make me despair for the human race. And i'm not talking about the 'junkies' here.

cornbb · 12-12-2008 04:50PM

Terry wrote: »

Not the case, but it can still kill you.

There are lots of things that people do/take in life that can kill them, and yet we don't demonise them as "junkie scum".

Why don't we demonise rock stars or celebrities that spend their lives taking heroin? William S. Burroughs was a heroin addict for 50 years and he is only remembered as a brilliant author. Think of Kurt Cobain, etc. You lot are not lashing out at a drug: you are lashing out at one of Ireland's poorest, most vulnerable social castes and using the drug as a hollow excuse.

I don't get it, what are people being so callous and blaseé about a young woman they know virtually nothing about, except for the fact that she habitually injected a substance into her arm? Did it occur to any of you that maybe she brought some form of good to the world?

Edit:

havana wrote:

Why why why do i continue to open these threads. I know as i'm doing it i'm going to regret it. Some people make me despair for the human race. And i'm not talking about the 'junkies' here.

+1,000,000, I'm a glutton for punishment

ordinary_story · 12-12-2008 04:55PM

Its human nature, we laugh at other peoples misfortune, Laurel and Hardy wouldnt have been successful if people werent so amused by watching other people get hurt.

The overwhelming attitude here is "I dont take heroine so therefore I'm not affected by this. I am more fortunate/better than those that do"

You can argue that we should be tolerant and have sympathy but it may be easier to accept that life is not fair and people are generally assholes

PhilipMarlowe · 12-12-2008 04:55PM

Dudess wrote: »

It's extremely arrogant and ignorant of people here to think "oh if I were him I'd just flat out refuse to take it". Like you'd fukking know...

Yet you readily berate people for being 'ignorant' of something you clearly say they can never know? Boggle.

shane86 · 12-12-2008 04:58PM

Kaptain Redeye wrote: »

I disagree, Id never heard about katie french before she died.

How? You arent the first person I have heard say this, and it baffles me, as even if (like me) you had zero interest in her private life or whatever shop she was opening, fact is she was in the paper 7 days a week for 8 or 9 months before her death. Unless you completely cut yourself off from all print media I find it very surprising you never heard of her. Hell, the only thing I know about Gordon Ramsay is that he is a chef, but thanks to 5 people in Oz seperatly mentioning to me out of the blue that he cheated on his wife of 12 years, I know all about it. I dont particularly care, but the news is unavoidable (he is even bigger over there than th UK, christ 5 different girls mentioned it. I DONT CARE!)

Was this girl 17 anyway? Didnt see it anywhere.

Kipperhell · 12-12-2008 05:01PM

boring_job_guy wrote: »

Another easily preventable death.

And another "victory" for America's "abstainance only" approach to drugs (which we blindly follow).

during prohibition in america thousands died coz of contamined alcohol, not so high and mighty now....eh?

This wouldn't have happened if it was quality controlled like in switzerland.

I am pretty sure the "abstinence only " rule is a result of the opium wars more so than anything to do with the US.

There will always be idiots and addicts and I don't exclude myself from them.

Dudess · 12-12-2008 05:01PM

Ah Shane, I wouldn't be surprised if people hadn't heard of Katy French.

Licksy wrote: »

Yet you readily berate people for being 'ignorant' of something you clearly say they can never know? Boggle.

Well no... I was coming from the perspective that it's ignorant to make assumptions and sweeping statements without anything to back it up, and without knowing what one is talking about. Hardly that mind boggling...

Stabshauptmann · 12-12-2008 05:02PM

boring_job_guy wrote: »

Otherwise there'd be no more problems with it than tobacoo (which is equally addictive).

You know, I'd heard that so many times that when I met a recovered heroin addict it was one of the first things I asked him. He said it was one of the most ludicrous and idiotic things hes ever heard.

He did say that he never succeeded in giving up the fags, but that was because he hadnt the motivation to give them up. He was at the stage where if he didnt give up heroin he would die, so he did.

The thing that really struck me was that Id never have guessed he was a former junkie. Id known him a few months before I found any of this out.

Jesus1222 · 12-12-2008 05:03PM

Nobody deserves to die just because they've taken heroin. The people who spew out the "junkie scum" line any time drugs are mentioned are very impressionable I feel. They don't think for themselves and are also probably quite religious. It's something they've learned at home or in their environment.

cornbb · 12-12-2008 05:03PM

ordinary_story wrote: »

Its human nature, we laugh at other peoples misfortune, Laurel and Hardy wouldnt have been successful if people werent so amused by watching other people get hurt.

The overwhelming attitude here is "I dont take heroine so therefore I'm not affected by this. I am more fortunate/better than those that do"

You can argue that we should be tolerant and have sympathy but it may be easier to accept that life is not fair and people are generally assholes

Absolute rubbish, there is currently a thread in the Galway forum mourning the death of a 19 year old guy in a road accident today. Possibly a guy who caused the accident through his own careless driving. People are generally sympathetic towards others misfortunes, but prejudice quickly clouds that over in many unfortunate cases.

This girl was 17, she was a CHILD, it is likely that her habit started before she reached an age where no-one could possibly understand the potential consequences of taking a drug like heroin.

Dudess · 12-12-2008 05:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

lol what a useless bastard, would hate to be his sister

I would also - because she was gang-raped. Well she's dead now - killed herself. I see you just skimmed over my point that heroin withdrawal is actually physically painful as well as making the addict violently sick.

Kipperhell · 12-12-2008 05:05PM

shane86 wrote: »

How? You arent the first person I have heard say this, and it baffles me, as even if (like me) you had zero interest in her private life or whatever shop she was opening, fact is she was in the paper 7 days a week for 8 or 9 months before her death.

Katie French was not in the media that much before her death. Only the tabloids had her in them all the time or sport/social sections did. So if you actually read a "news" paper you wouldn't have known about her. I had no idea who she was other than an occasional picture but I would have recognised the Fas girl before Katie French.

brow_601 · 12-12-2008 05:05PM

Kaptain Redeye wrote: »

I disagree, Id never heard about katie french before she died.

+1 neither had I

12-12-2008 05:09PM

boring_job_guy wrote: »

no, but it's their regime that caused the death. Otherwise users would have just taken their safe, quality controlled heroin (and medical grade heroin is quite safe- they give it to cancer patients) and death-rates would drop drastically.

hang on heroin cures cancer and the US are to blame for our junkies dying?

Dudess wrote: »

Once again, the usual judgemental, heartless, hypocritical high-horse mounting from people who haven't got a clue what they're on about and no doubt plenty of them go out and get absolutely smashed at least one night a week and may develop alcoholism in years to come, or serious liver problems, and ruin the lives of those around them... but that's ok, because alcohol is legal.

get over it, this is after hours ffs. Actually I would even go so far as to say alcohol causes more problems in Ireland than Heroin does, but like you say its legal. Maybe if we legalise heroin our heroin related problems will disappear in the same way??

We could make everything legal and live in crime free bliss

0ubliette · 12-12-2008 05:10PM

cornbb wrote: »

There are lots of things that people do/take in life that can kill them, and yet we don't demonise them as "junkie scum".

Why don't we demonise rock stars or celebrities that spend their lives taking heroin? William S. Burroughs was a heroin addict for 50 years and he is only remembered as a brilliant author. Think of Kurt Cobain, etc. You lot are not lashing out at a drug: you are lashing out at one of Ireland's poorest, most vulnerable social castes and using the drug as a hollow excuse.

I don't get it, what are people being so callous and blaseé about a young woman they know virtually nothing about, except for the fact that she habitually injected a substance into her arm? Did it occur to any of you that maybe she brought some form of good to the world?

Edit:

+1,000,000, I'm a glutton for punishment

Did William Burroughs or Kurt Cobain ever mug you with a syringe?
Your argument is retarded.
Go to Tara St. Station any day of the week and see how much good smackheads bring into the world. Take a walk down the alley behind liberty hall and when you get mugged with a syringe, youll see just how much good they bring into the world, and that yeah, people really only hate them because theyre poor and homeless and ewww they smell bad, i need to go home to my mansion in dalkey for a shower and some champagne etc..

Botulism outbreak claims life of heroin user in Dublin

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