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Ganley to sue RTE over Prime Time doc.

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  • #62
    dresden8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭dresden8


    fricatus wrote: »
    I can't believe that people are mesmerised by this guy, like a rabbit looking at a bloody snake. How naive are we?

    He parachuted in from seemingly nowhere, with a load of money, :

    He didn't parachute in from nowhere. He used to be a FF donor.

    And FF claim he's a mystery man they never heard of.

    Hypocritical scum.


  • #63
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 17,213 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Speak out? How, the Media is censored. :rolleyes:

    RTE=State sponsored propaganda channel synonymous with the TASS News agency of the former USSR.


    you must be kidding? It's government TDs and politicians who are generally taking them to court.

    I know! That must be part of the conspiracy to make it appear that they aren't just a propaganda channel??


  • #64
    dresden8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭dresden8


    thelordofcheese wrote: »
    The PR machine that never actually did anything on the run up to the lisbon vote? Real impressive.

    If they'd actually bothered to use their 'PR machine' they'd have drummed this charlatan and his campaign of fear, uncertainty and doubt into the ground.

    Lord only knows why they didn't.


    Jeez, does nobody have a memory in this country?

    Bertie was up before the tribunal. He'd been caught with several people's hand in his pockets. He refused to step down until he got his gig in Washington.

    Once he was parked the government ran their "Trust us, we're honest and know what we're doing" line. At that stage even the most rabid government supporter was starting to cotton on.

    Those in the middle said screw you, you lying scum.

    Am I the only one who was there?


  • #65
    chops1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭chops1990


    If anyone could actually tell us what the Lisbon treaty was about in bulletpoints that are brief, true and to the point, maybe we'd all stop being very wary of it and may consider actually voting for it, or having a logical debate without any of this conspiracy ****e


  • #66
    niceirishfella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    humanji wrote: »
    Well, just because you asked nicely.

    You've just done exactly what you accused others of doing, but unfortunately you chose to use more words and it takes people longer to read. Grow up.


    humanji - how the feck where you voted
    8th most popular poster on Boards 2007, with posts like this saying "grow up" - like honestly?
    Is this all you got?


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  • #67
    Toiletroll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭Toiletroll


    humanji wrote: »
    If you want people to trust you, you try and appear trustworthy. Hiding details about yourself and refusing to even talk about them makes you appear untrustworthy.




    Have to admit, that made me lol. :)


    So its better to fake things and lie to make yourself look trustworthy?


  • #68
    Toiletroll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭Toiletroll


    thelordofcheese wrote: »
    Hehehehe, you're a funny guy.

    Why thank you, I am :D


  • #69
    Toiletroll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭Toiletroll


    humanji wrote: »
    Well, just because you asked nicely.

    You've just done exactly what you accused others of doing, but unfortunately you chose to use more words and it takes people longer to read. Grow up.




    So you think that since the government aren't forthright with all details about everything, it's ok for someone else to do the same? Does it not make sense for total transparency across the board?

    ........ and you think you are getting transparency from where? haha you crack me up to bits and all that!


  • #70
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Hmm cause h doesn't have to? Im sure he's backed by someone. FF are (Bankers n Builders come to mind). Im not saying he's better but Im amazed how quickly rational people who dont see him as a messiah are as quick to fall for the secret agent man line...



    Of all people, I'd expect you to know how to spell censor. Seriously :D
    Where did I say he was involved with any secret service?
    All I want to know is who backed him.
    If there is nothing sinister involved in his funding, then he should have no problem showing where he got his campaign funds.*
    dresden8 wrote: »
    He didn't parachute in from nowhere. He used to be a FF donor.

    And FF claim he's a mystery man they never heard of.

    Hypocritical scum.
    Link please.**

    dresden8 wrote: »
    Jeez, does nobody have a memory in this country?

    Bertie was up before the tribunal. He'd been caught with several people's hand in his pockets. He refused to step down until he got his gig in Washington.

    Once he was parked the government ran their "Trust us, we're honest and know what we're doing" line. At that stage even the most rabid government supporter was starting to cotton on.

    Those in the middle said screw you, you lying scum.

    Am I the only one who was there?
    Nope. I was there too.*

    niceirishfella wrote: »
    humanji wrote: »
    Well, just because you asked nicely.

    You've just done exactly what you accused others of doing, but unfortunately you chose to use more words and it takes people longer to read. Grow up.


    humanji - how the feck where you voted
    8th most popular poster on Boards 2007, with posts like this saying "grow up" - like honestly?
    Is this all you got?
    Attack the post, not the poster.**
    Toiletroll wrote: »
    ........ and you think you are getting transparency from where? haha you crack me up to bits and all that!
    You too.**

    *AH poster.
    **AH mod.


  • #71
    Toiletroll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭Toiletroll


    Terry wrote: »
    Where did I say he was involved with any secret service?
    All I want to know is who backed him.
    If there is nothing sinister involved in his funding, then he should have no problem showing where he got his campaign funds.*


    Link please.**



    Nope. I was there too.*


    Lol - I didnt attack the poster. I am not interested in getting banned again haha :P

    By the way, how did I attack him/her? They crack me up so I smile which is positive :P


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  • #72
    dresden8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭dresden8


    Terry wrote: »
    Link please.**



    http://www.eepa.be/wcm/dmdocuments/Irish%20referendum-Cathy%20Leech.pdf

    · Who is Declan Ganley?
    Declan Ganley is an Irish entrepreneur with an estimated personal fortune of €300 million.3 He has long-held views on European integration: far from being a traditional right-wing Eurosceptic, he is actually in favour of greater European integration, but based around probusiness,free-market and libertarian ideals.

    He considers himself politically centrist: he has been a major financial backer of the pro-Treaty ruling party Fianna Fail, and has also donated to the Progressive Democrats, a free-market liberal party who are campaigning on the Yes side.

    And the PD's too!


  • #73
    niceirishfella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    niceirishfella wrote: »
    Attack the post, not the poster.**

    re; humanji
    8th most popular poster on Boards 2007!

    I don't attack anyone. Not my style and I was referring to the post he made saying "grow up"!


  • #74
    Conar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭Conar


    dresden8 wrote: »
    http://www.eepa.be/wcm/dmdocuments/Irish%20referendum-Cathy%20Leech.pdf

    Who are those guys?
    Any other links?


  • #75
    limklad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭limklad


    Mark200 wrote: »
    On a side note, I love how RTE link to the documentary about him even in an article saying that he's going to sue them over it.
    Bad news is always good news to report in the media. RTE is no different.


  • #76
    Jack Sheehan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭Jack Sheehan


    Ok, barring everything else, (and thats a lot) about Declan Ganley, please, supporters of him answer me this:

    Where did the money for Libertas' anti-lisbon campaign come from?

    If you dont know, why doesn't that bother you?


  • #77
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    fricatus wrote: »
    I can't believe that people are mesmerised by this guy, like a rabbit looking at a bloody snake. How naive are we?

    He parachuted in from seemingly nowhere, with a load of money, and ordinary people don't stop to think that maybe he has an agenda that he's not telling us about. Then he refuses to disclose his funding, threatening to sue left, right and centre, using his financial might to bully people into shutting up about him.

    And people still trust and support him?

    This is the only sane comment I've seen so far on this discussion:

    as opposed to the parish pump, back slappin, brown envelope merchants that run this country who dont do anything like that at all?

    the establishment (and ireland does have one) doesn't like ganley cos he's doing unto them as they have done unto everyone else.


  • #78
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 17,213 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    Bambi wrote: »
    as opposed to the parish pump, back slappin, brown envelope merchants that run this country who dont do anything like that at all?

    the establishment (and ireland does have one) doesn't like ganley cos he's doing unto them as they have done unto everyone else.

    the difference with politicians is that in a democracy, the people can vote them out of power. Unelected, special interest funded 'political' leaders are not a good thing.


  • #79
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    RTE=State sponsored propaganda channel synonymous with the TASS News agency of the former USSR.
    RTE is considered to be one of the least biased TV channels on the planet.

    How about you actually go and live in Russia or China before you start throwing complete and utter paranoid bull**** around? Your comments are an affront to the suffering that people have gone through and do go through in oppressive dictatorships every day.

    You haven't a clue what it is to live in anything approaching such a regime. The insinuation that you do just goes to show how privileged a life you live and how little of a clue you have.

    Cop yourself on and grow up.

    In terms of Ganley, I find it ironic that people who raise an eyebrow over the most innocent of decisions, have absolutely no problem supporting a man who's been shown to have a US military agenda and is doing his damndest to avoid anyone finding out what it is he's actually up to with Libertas.

    I don't trust the man at all because he refuses to be straight and actively works to keep himself private. Then he tries to claim the government are hiding things.

    He's a hypocrite. With an agenda.


  • #80
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    copacetic wrote: »
    the difference with politicians is that in a democracy, the people can vote them out of power. Unelected, special interest funded 'political' leaders are not a good thing.

    Strangely enough i never mentioned politicians :p

    Ganley sticks it to the man, I like the cut of his tightly cropped gib.


  • #81
    anonymous_joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,255 ✭✭✭anonymous_joe


    I posted this in the EU forum. http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58106887&postcount=68
    anonymous_joe wrote: »
    Ganley might not have done anything that breaks the law, but there's a clear breach of the spirit of the law here.

    Libertas campaigned as an organisation in a field where only political parties usually play. Clearly there are major questions as to whose funding him.

    I love the paradox that Irish people are unhappy at the idea of being 'manipulated' by Europe, but will happily let a completely unknown group of people manipulate them.


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  • #82
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    seamus wrote: »
    RTE is considered to be one of the least biased TV channels on the planet.

    How about you actually go and live in Russia or China before you start throwing complete and utter paranoid bull**** around? Your comments are an affront to the suffering that people have gone through and do go through in oppressive dictatorships every day.

    You haven't a clue what it is to live in anything approaching such a regime. The insinuation that you do just goes to show how privileged a life you live and how little of a clue you have.
    Remember when ze govt sacked the whole RTE board for resisting section 31 and then threw a reporter in jail for interviewing sean mac stiofain? Apparently not.


  • #83
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Bambi wrote: »
    Remember when ze govt sacked the whole RTE board for resisting section 31 and then threw a reporter in jail for interviewing sean mac stiofain? Apparently not.
    That was ten years before I was born, and the law which gave the government that power was repealed 14 years ago. Your point is moot.


  • #84
    dotsman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    Can't stand the fcuker. Went to a Lisbon debate and all I was sure of coming out was that he was the slimiest, sleaziest person I've ever met. Considering he was debating against a FF and FG politician, to say that he was the person I trusted the least there is actually a terrifying thought!

    As for the Prime Time show, I can't see anything libellous about it. They asked a load of questions, he refused to answer anything. When they checked up on the few things that that he did say, they found them to be complete BS. Anyone who had previously worked with him refused point blank to say anything on camera. And the few details that they were able to find out about his past were pretty dubious.

    The guy used a bucket of money that nobody knows how he got to spread fear and distrust during the Lisbon Referendum. Nobody knows anything about him and he refuses to tell anybody anything about him (that he's willing to back up with evidence) and now he's running for Public Office???

    The frightening thing is that I think he would get voted in (because Irish voters have a long tradition of being a bunch of tools), even though he is without doubt the most suspicious person to ever enter Irish Political life (and we've had Charlie, Bertie etc).

    If he has nothing to hide, why cover everything up and threaten to sue anybody who does try to look at your past? If he wants to stay private, then stay private. But if you want to enter the world of politics, you have to allow people to look at your past (and present).
    Biggins wrote: »
    As a man, he's running a number of huge multinational companies both in Europe and America - successfully we should notice.
    You know this do you? Exactly what were these companies, what do they sell/produce/provide, who do they sell to and how successful were they?
    Biggins wrote: »
    I think I would prefer him, someone who actually knows how to handle money - again successfully!
    I assume you are going to provide proof of this are you?
    Biggins wrote: »
    As for RTE - they are clearly the right hand of the Government. How many times now has RTE given into demands for people to be pulled from the Late, Late? How many times has interviews been one sided? Now the government in changing broadcasting law so that the opposition can not get a fair share of air-time to voice opposition of the next referendum we all know is coming!
    If a T.D. from Fianna Fail asks them to jump, the question comes back "How high?"
    (then quietly the grovelling favour is asked in return like Dicken's Oliver "Please Sir, can I increase the licence sir?)
    You obviously know nothing about RTE. The Government have absolutely no control over them. In fact, over the past few years, I have detected a very stong anti-FF vibe from them, and they were clearly one-sided against the Lisbon treaty.

    Biggins wrote: »
    I hope he sues their ass off, if only to show that if your going to throw mud, make sure its high quality mud and not some mucked up clap-trap that is the best or (worst!) they can invent or regurgitate from the bitter losers of Europe who want a single Euro-state.
    Yes, anybody who is ever questioned by a journalist should be able to sue the journalist's ass off. In fact, lets do away with journalism altogether. Instead we should learn everything from those nice anarchists who stick signs up on landposts.
    Biggins wrote: »
    We are that stupid as a herd of people to be shepherded around, some of it will!
    Now this, I agree with. June 12th very much cemented this fact.


  • #85
    Aidric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,598 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    Biggins wrote: »
    What we have is a person who took on a bunch of backstabbing freeloading hypocrites, who bet them at their own game, who actually put his money where his ideas where!
    We have a person who decided he had enough and said the equivalent of "stuff this" - we just don't have to accept just any hogwash the SUPPOSED betters in the Dail are forcing on us!
    Now I don't agree with some of his ideas but at least he got up off his ass and did something about what he believes in.

    As for backing by the CIA! For gods sake, the man has been investigated by the E.U. twice now. Add to that - you can bet your backside that at LEAST France and England have investigated him as well, and the most they can come up with is... NOTHING except to try and dirty his name by throwing mud - hoping that we are that stupid that enough of it would stick!
    We are that stupid as a herd of people to be shepherded around, some of it will!

    As a man, he's running a number of huge multinational companies both in Europe and America - successfully we should notice.

    Who would I prefer running the country right now as we are up the creek and our present politicians are too busy with their perks, high wages, closing of vital services - I think I would prefer him, someone who actually knows how to handle money - again successfully!

    As for RTE - they are clearly the right hand of the Government. How many times now has RTE given into demands for people to be pulled from the Late, Late? How many times has interviews been one sided? Now the government in changing broadcasting law so that the opposition can not get a fair share of air-time to voice opposition of the next referendum we all know is coming!
    If a T.D. from Fianna Fail asks them to jump, the question comes back "How high?"
    (then quietly the grovelling favour is asked in return like Dicken's Oliver "Please Sir, can I increase the licence sir?)

    I hope he sues their ass off, if only to show that if your going to throw mud, make sure its high quality mud and not some mucked up clap-trap that is the best or (worst!) they can invent or regurgitate from the bitter losers of Europe who want a single Euro-state.
    Aren't you the clown who said we were in a 'small recession' yesterday? I'll choose to ignore your input on intelligent debate off the back of that comment.


  • #86
    Jack Sheehan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭Jack Sheehan


    Aidric wrote: »
    Aren't you the clown who said we were in a 'small recession' yesterday? I'll choose to ignore your input on intelligent debate off the back of that comment.

    Post not poster.


  • #87
    andrew
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,371 Mod ✭✭✭✭andrew


    We shouldn't have had a referendum on this in the first place. People are stupid.


  • #88
    anonymous_joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,255 ✭✭✭anonymous_joe


    andrew wrote: »
    We shouldn't have had a referendum on this in the first place. People are stupid.

    We have to.

    Most governments rushed it in against the wishes of their people because they felt it was best for the EU as a whole. I vaguely remember my Dutch ex kinda complaining that she'd wanted a chance to vote. Even though she said she'd vote yes. :P


  • #89
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    niceirishfella wrote: »
    humanji - how the feck where you voted
    8th most popular poster on Boards 2007, with posts like this saying "grow up" - like honestly?
    Is this all you got?

    And again you stoop.
    Toiletroll wrote: »
    So its better to fake things and lie to make yourself look trustworthy?

    So now you think Ganley is faking and lying?
    Toiletroll wrote: »
    ........ and you think you are getting transparency from where? haha you crack me up to bits and all that!

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Why should Ganley be allowed to hide his agenda when you and others attack the government for doing the same? Do you not agree that in a perfect world, neither side would need to resort to lying?
    niceirishfella wrote: »
    I don't attack anyone. Not my style and I was referring to the post he made saying "grow up"!

    You attacked several people several times. When a mod tells you this, it's a safe bet that you were.


  • #90
    niceirishfella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    humanji - come on

    you can do better? surely?


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  • #91
    andrew
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,371 Mod ✭✭✭✭andrew


    I vaguely recall some article by Ivana Bacick in The Times which said, technically, we don't. Yes, I'm aware of the Crotty judgement or whatever it's called. Either way, it would've been more sensible IMO not to put this to a vote (if possible).


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