No more idealists?

Kold · 29-11-2008 04:06PM #1

Semi serious thread heeyar.

Has idealism died with this new generation? I don't know about anyone else but as a 22 year old living in this country, I don't feel at all represented in society. With the last election, there wasn't a single party that I felt represented my ideals. It's sort of like the American system, you just vote for the lesser of two evils even if they are pretty much the same. My Dad listens to RTE radio all day and I'm pretty sure this is why he's the miserable bastard that he is. People whinging all f*cking day long. Old people. It's the old people on Primetime too, and any young person who does appear seems to be a neo-con dick.

I can completely relate to the apathy of my demographic and I'm probably more guilty than most. But it can't just be me who thinks the government a load of horsesh*t? Corrupt as f*ck and utterly backward. Will attack the small issues more than the small issues (still bitter about the mushies you fat c*nt Harney) I have a real problem with career politicians (this is my young naivity showing through I guess) it seems that these are the cocks who studied political theory at UCD/Trinners because being involved in government is a pretty handy job. And I know I'm gonna sound like a cliché but I've read and watched a lot of documentaries about Fidel Castro and I sit in awe. This man who actually tried to do everything in the best interests of his people, even if that meant bringing hardship in order not to polish America's cock. I look at these fat bastard TDs on the TV/in the indo and they're just there to make a decent living and maybe help out a tiny bit at the same time. I just go back to a game of CS and a joint and avoid these morons in future.
No wonder nobody my age gives a f*ck. We've got our Lucozade, we can afford to get ripped at the weekend and get a brekky roll on Sunday morning and watch Heroes, sure things can't be that bad.

It's weird that we're probably the most educated generation ever and yet we don't give a f*ck that the government is a bunch of clowns and care more about who wins I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here. The fact that our life will be fine as long as we live it to the set template that we've been set, maybe that is good enough for everyone else.

This is more a mini rant and I'm certain I'll get put in my place, again I'm not trying to appear holier than thou. I'm sort of scared to discuss this topic as I'm afraid of being told that I'm just wrong (and therefore stupid), that we're completely fine.

ejmaztec · 29-11-2008 04:13PM

Kold wrote: »

Semi serious thread heeyar.

Has idealism died with this new generation? I don't know about anyone else but as a 22 year old living in this country, I don't feel at all represented in society. With the last election, there wasn't a single party that I felt represented my ideals. It's sort of like the American system, you just vote for the lesser of two evils even if they are pretty much the same. My Dad listens to RTE radio all day and I'm pretty sure this is why he's the miserable bastard that he is. People whinging all f*cking day long. Old people. It's the old people on Primetime too, and any young person who does appear seems to be a neo-con dick.

I can completely relate to the apathy of my demographic and I'm probably more guilty than most. But it can't just be me who thinks the government a load of horsesh*t? Corrupt as f*ck and utterly backward. Will attack the small issues more than the small issues (still bitter about the mushies you fat c*nt Harney) I have a real problem with career politicians (this is my young naivity showing through I guess) it seems that these are the cocks who studied political theory at UCD/Trinners because being involved in government is a pretty handy job. And I know I'm gonna sound like a cliché but I've read and watched a lot of documentaries about Fidel Castro and I sit in awe. This man who actually tried to do everything in the best interests of his people, even if that meant bringing hardship in order not to polish America's cock. I look at these fat bastard TDs on the TV/in the indo and they're just there to make a decent living and maybe help out a tiny bit at the same time. I just go back to a game of CS and a joint and avoid these morons in future.
No wonder nobody my age gives a f*ck. We've got our Lucozade, we can afford to get ripped at the weekend and get a brekky roll on Sunday morning and watch Heroes, sure things can't be that bad.

It's weird that we're probably the most educated generation ever and yet we don't give a f*ck that the government is a bunch of clowns and care more about who wins I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here. The fact that our life will be fine as long as we live it to the set template that we've been set, maybe that is good enough for everyone else.

This is more a mini rant and I'm certain I'll get put in my place, again I'm not trying to appear holier than thou. I'm sort of scared to discuss this topic as I'm afraid of being told that I'm just wrong (and therefore stupid), that we're completely fine.

It has always been like this since the first club-wielding neanderthal got elected to preside over the cave.

People here seem to like corrupt politicians, as it seems the more corrupt and crooked a candidate is, the more votes he gets. Perhaps the voters think that he can fiddle some for them as well.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 29-11-2008 04:13PM

I agree, Lucozade is class.

Terry · 29-11-2008 04:15PM

You're stupid and we're completely fine.

Right, that's that out of the way.

The problem is that most of us (and I include myself in that) are completely apathetic and know that we can't currently change how the country is run because everyone is in everyone elses pocket.

The country has become so corrupt that the minority in power can control everything by just passing a few brown envelopes.
I'm not even talking about the government here. This all sprouts up at a local level.

Look around your own home town and think about who owns what.
Think about how much power they wield over oyur town.

It's usually just one or two people and they are usually a town councillor or are good friends with a few of the councillors.

Until people stop being so greedy, we are going to be stuck in this rut.

Kold · 29-11-2008 04:16PM

Julian Obedient Bullfrog wrote: »

I agree, Lucozade is class.

I only like the sparkling orange one but it's overpriced sh*t imo. Lucozade sport is undiluted Robinsons orange.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 29-11-2008 04:18PM

Kold wrote: »

Lucozade sport is undiluted Robinsons orange.

Correct, apart from that particular variety I can't knock any Lucozade flavour.

Kold · 29-11-2008 04:18PM

Terry wrote: »

Until people stop being so greedy, we are going to be stuck in this rut.

Revolución?

Vain · 29-11-2008 04:19PM

Your not a big boy yet give it another 30 years and the government just might give a sh!t about your views. The best medication i can give you for the next 30 years is to go out drinking every weekend and just don't a crap about anything else. I'm sure rte radio and Joe Duffy jr will be around in 30years to listen to OUR views.

Kold · 29-11-2008 04:22PM

Vain wrote: »

Your not a big boy yet give it another 30 years and the government just might give a sh!t about your views. The best medication i can give you for the next 30 years is to go out drinking every weekend and just don't a crap about anything else. I'm sure rte radio and Joe Duffy jr will be around in 30years to listen to OUR views.

My buddy told me to stick it out another 30 years but I don't fancy the next generation any more than this one.

Maybe it's the fact that society rewards the over-ambitious and that's why Rebecca Loos is known for getting f*cked by a footballer and any politician will have had to have dropped any iota of integrity if they ever want to make it.

I don't know why actual whores are given such a hard time.

cocoa · 29-11-2008 04:23PM

meh, either quit whinging about it or run for election... Don't criticise unless you have a solution.

Heck, go ahead and start the young and not yet corrupted party, I'll join

javaboy · 29-11-2008 04:24PM

I don't care who wins I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here. How dare you?

p.s. Is blogspot down or what?

ejmaztec · 29-11-2008 04:24PM

Vain wrote: »

Your not a big boy yet give it another 300 years and the government just might give a sh!t about your views. The best medication i can give you for the next 300 years is to go out drinking every weekend and just don't a crap about anything else. I'm sure rte radio and Joe Duffy jr will be around in 300 years to listen to OUR views.

I fixed your post for added realism.:p

Kold · 29-11-2008 04:25PM

cocoa wrote: »

meh, either quit whinging about it or run for election... Don't criticise unless you have a solution.

Heck, go ahead and start the young and not yet corrupted party, I'll join

Hmm maybe I should... Maybe I should..

Sofaspud · 29-11-2008 04:28PM

While I agree in places, some parts I can't help but disagree with your opinions.

For example, you claim that the sparkling orange lucozade is overpriced. It costs roughly the same as a bottle of Coke for a small bottle. There's 380ml in a bottle of lucozade at the equivalent price of a 500ml bottle of coke, so it may be overpriced with regards to quantity. However, if you consider the quality, you'll see that for its flavour and energy content, the price is fair.

javaboy · 29-11-2008 04:29PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

I fixed your post for added realism.:p

You forgot to add more "jr"s to Joe Duffy.

Kold · 29-11-2008 04:29PM

Sofaspud wrote: »

While I agree in places, some parts I can't help but disagree with your opinions.

For example, you claim that the sparkling orange lucozade is overpriced. It costs roughly the same as a bottle of Coke for a small bottle. There's 380ml in a bottle of lucozade at the equivalent price of a 500ml bottle of coke, so it may be overpriced with regards to quantity. However, if you consider the quality, you'll see that for its flavour and energy content, the price is fair.

No f*cking way. Get yourself some Irn Bru man.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 29-11-2008 04:31PM

Kold wrote: »

Get yourself some Irn Bru man.

Looks like somebodys in the Irn Bru chairman's pocket...

Kold · 29-11-2008 04:34PM

Julian Obedient Bullfrog wrote: »

Looks like somebodys in the Irn Bru chairman's pocket...

It's a quality product and afaik Barr isn't a worldwide conglomerate.

ejmaztec · 29-11-2008 04:36PM

javaboy wrote: »

You forgot to add more "jr"s to Joe Duffy.

No need, he's immortal. :P

4zn76tysfajdxp · 29-11-2008 04:38PM

Kold wrote: »

It's a quality product and afaik Barr isn't a worldwide conglomerate.

But if we can't afford Irn Bru like we can afford Lucozade (as outlined in your op), should we revolt?

Kold · 29-11-2008 04:41PM

Julian Obedient Bullfrog wrote: »

But if we can't afford Irn Bru like we can afford Lucozade (as outlined in your op), should we revolt?

I think we should revolt and make Irn Bru and Lucozade available to the people at tiny prices.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 29-11-2008 04:45PM

Kold wrote: »

I think we should revolt and make Irn Bru and Lucozade available to the people at tiny prices.

Excellent.

*Prepares torch*

Darragh29 · 29-11-2008 04:45PM

These quasi-political discussions make me laugh... If we were not such a nation of begrudgers, you might see more people putting their hands up for a go at politics. There is an old saying that says that a strong desire shown by any person to become a politician, should automatically act as a disqualifiation for that person to ever become one.

Here's my 2 cent's worth...

There is a HUGE political vacuum out there at the moment, FF/Greens are unelectable for the next 10-15 years. FG/Labour are also unelectable, hence why they are not in government. There is no way that Eamon Gilmore or Enda Kenny will ever be Taoiseach of this country.

Just like what happened in the US, all we need is one candidate who can lead us out of this mess we are in. I have a funny feeling that within the next 12 months, someone new is going to appear on the political scene and start up a new political party based on actual social justice and economic progress, and just for completeness, I don't think it will be Declan Ganley! This economic crisis has been going on now for some time, 10,000 jobs a month going down the tube and we have yet to see a single initiative, strategy of idea from this government. It is only a matter of time before someone emerges who can inspire us into digging ourselves out of this mess...

herbieflowers · 29-11-2008 04:45PM

No, Iron Bru and Lucozade should sponsor the revolution. "Energising the revolution"

Vain · 29-11-2008 04:46PM

I vote Kold should run in the next general election to "express" our views. Anyone second it? If he does get in id give him 2months before his as corrupted as the rest and doing hardcore drugs off a hookers back.

ronbyrne2005 · 29-11-2008 04:47PM

Go away child, do you really think those who govern your life give a fcuk about ya? :pac::pac::pac::pac:

Terry · 29-11-2008 04:49PM

Kold wrote: »

Hmm maybe I should... Maybe I should..

I'm in.
Bagsy minister for finance. I have a bank account and a laser card.

I would seriously do this.

Not the minister for finance thing (I don't have a clue about money (not that it ever stopped the rest of them)), but I'd do something like foreign minister or something.

Anyone else in?

Kold · 29-11-2008 04:49PM

Will I need to give up weed?

Vain · 29-11-2008 04:52PM

Kold wrote: »

Will I need to give up weed?

No you would have to take up doing it more how else would they come up with putting more tax on petrol and other crazy stuff

ejmaztec · 29-11-2008 04:53PM

Kold wrote: »

Will I need to give up weed?

Free sh1t comes with the job.

reganovich · 29-11-2008 04:53PM

Kold wrote: »

Semi serious thread heeyar.

Has idealism died with this new generation? I don't know about anyone else but as a 22 year old living in this country, I don't feel at all represented in society. With the last election, there wasn't a single party that I felt represented my ideals. It's sort of like the American system, you just vote for the lesser of two evils even if they are pretty much the same. My Dad listens to RTE radio all day and I'm pretty sure this is why he's the miserable bastard that he is. People whinging all f*cking day long. Old people. It's the old people on Primetime too, and any young person who does appear seems to be a neo-con dick.

I can completely relate to the apathy of my demographic and I'm probably more guilty than most. But it can't just be me who thinks the government a load of horsesh*t? Corrupt as f*ck and utterly backward. Will attack the small issues more than the small issues (still bitter about the mushies you fat c*nt Harney) I have a real problem with career politicians (this is my young naivity showing through I guess) it seems that these are the cocks who studied political theory at UCD/Trinners because being involved in government is a pretty handy job. And I know I'm gonna sound like a cliché but I've read and watched a lot of documentaries about Fidel Castro and I sit in awe. This man who actually tried to do everything in the best interests of his people, even if that meant bringing hardship in order not to polish America's cock. I look at these fat bastard TDs on the TV/in the indo and they're just there to make a decent living and maybe help out a tiny bit at the same time. I just go back to a game of CS and a joint and avoid these morons in future.
No wonder nobody my age gives a f*ck. We've got our Lucozade, we can afford to get ripped at the weekend and get a brekky roll on Sunday morning and watch Heroes, sure things can't be that bad.

It's weird that we're probably the most educated generation ever and yet we don't give a f*ck that the government is a bunch of clowns and care more about who wins I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here. The fact that our life will be fine as long as we live it to the set template that we've been set, maybe that is good enough for everyone else.

This is more a mini rant and I'm certain I'll get put in my place, again I'm not trying to appear holier than thou. I'm sort of scared to discuss this topic as I'm afraid of being told that I'm just wrong (and therefore stupid), that we're completely fine.

The government are the people...they do represent us. If as you say we are so spoilt "with our lucozade "

, if the government are so despicable, then so are we....human nature is such that when people are comfortable they wont rock the boat.

You offered no answers in your rant you were merely talkin bollocks...the fact that you think people study politics in University "to become politicians" is laughable...

By idealist do you mean someone who imagines how things should be?!
Or do we need realists? Nobody believes things are perfect but its not as simple as saying they need to be a certain way...you have to do something about it.

But dont assume that everyone shares your views, that the way they live their lives is somehow wrong.

Give us some solutions, but also define the problems...otherwise your just talkin ****e

No more idealists?

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