Aikido, your thoughts as a Martial Art.

Nothingcompares wrote: »

Just as long we are agreed it's not revelant to combat sports you can pretend it's really fun endeavour as long as you want..

Absolutely. Believe it or not combat sports are not the ultimate test of a martial art. You can kick the pads all night and fight in cages all you want but don't think that's all that's involved in being a martial artist.

Nothingcompares wrote: »

Also just to make it clear I'm just not trolling here. Why are people so defensive about Aikido? Only one person does it here anyway. If I posted a message here saying the colour purple was horrible and the worst colour in the world would people be going bananas to defend it? .

It's not being so much that people are being defensive, it's more that you are both overly dismissive and poorly informed.

Nothingcompares wrote: »

Aikido (like a lot of martial arts) is just some silly dudes in pyjamas rolling about the place. There's nothing sacred about it. IMO it's just a nonsenese martial art..

Which illustrates my point above.

Nothingcompares wrote: »

Other people say things like "aikido just takes a really long time to appreciate" or "there's more to martial arts than combat sports or functional training methods" but you have to the accept the fact that the only people defending aikido are those that have never done it, or spent 10 years on it and are passed the point of no return. .

Even if you were correct I think this is a stupid arguement. In any case you are incorrect. I have done aikido but I haven't spent enough time at it to be proficient.

There's definitely more to this martial arts stuff than just fightsport.
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Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking fightsport, I'm a fan of it. But there are other elements to martial arts that fightsport is trying to leave behind. That's fine if that's what you wanna do, but don't kid yourself into thinking your practising martial arts.

I've seen this argument of what makes a martial art so many times before that I decided to make thread on it here.

For fightsport the art form is in the effectiveness of the technique.

I do think aikido is a martial art. It has its origions in war practices used by the army, the jo work is more like bayonet fighting than actual jo jutsu. It has sword work which is a tool for war. I agree that it is not the most practicle martial art, but its an art form that expresses itself in the antagonism of combat, all be it co -operative.

The same came be said of fight sport, just one is a martial athelete with the art form coming from scientific application and the other a martial artist whos art comes from being part of a tradition and expressing that tradition in movement.

Competition of any form can be a very beneficial part of training in martial arts. You can start out just interested in fightsport and then develop an interest in the art.

Yes, but that only really makes sense in some thing like Karate or Taekwon-Do. In what I do for example there is no real distinction between 'fightsport' and 'art', it's one and the same. There only real difference is that the intensity is likely to be a lot higher for somebody getting ready for a competition than it might otherwise be.

However, it's when you shift all your focus to competition and disregard the other aspects of the art then it just becomes sport.

I love the martial arts types talk about things being 'just sports' as if what they do is somehow more important or grander.

I'm hugely involved in competition myself and I enjoy the sport side, but there's more to the art than just that.

Indeed there is some to just about any sport than just competition.

Tim_Murphy wrote: »

Yes, but that only really makes sense in some thing like Karate or Taekwon-Do. In what I do for example there is no real distinction between 'fightsport' and 'art', it's one and the same. There only real difference is that the intensity is likely to be a lot higher for somebody getting ready for a competition than it might otherwise be. .

Maybe there is art in what you do, I can't say.
My post was to counter someone who was criticising and dismissing martial art because they don't value anything other than how it makes you look and how you'll perform in a cage. That's not martial arts, for me at least.

Tim_Murphy wrote: »

I love the martial arts types talk about things being 'just sports' as if what they do is somehow more important or grander. .

Not more important or grander, just more.

Boards is fun though, I love driving the sports guys mad by not admitting that everything apart from what they do is shoite. Fun to be had here I tell ya.

Tim_Murphy wrote: »

Indeed there is some to just about any sport than just competition.

It's not really the same thing. Let me ask you this, would it be fair to say you see no distinction between sport and art?

Burnt wrote: »

Why would the tokyo metropolitian police riot squad, be bothered with Aikido?

In fairness Ted, when's the last time you heard of a riot in Tokyo?

most of the police in japan are trained in shotokan karate and jujitsu-from the shotokan katas weapons can be used as arm extensions also believe it or not the fith kata shows how to block a sword[but i wouldent try it]-in the 1970s when the police first got the new stick i was asked to show them how to use it in the katas try it its good fun

Nothingcompares wrote: »

Just as long we are agreed it's not revelant to combat sports you can pretend it's really fun endeavour as long as you want.

Also just to make it clear I'm just not trolling here. Why are people so defensive about Aikido? Only one person does it here anyway. If I posted a message here saying the colour purple was horrible and the worst colour in the world would people be going bananas to defend it? Aikido (like a lot of martial arts) is just some silly dudes in pyjamas rolling about the place. There's nothing sacred about it. IMO it's just a nonsenese martial art. Other people say things like "aikido just takes a really long time to appreciate" or "there's more to martial arts than combat sports or functional training methods" but you have to the accept the fact that the only people defending aikido are those that have never done it, or spent 10 years on it and are passed the point of no return.

As i said on similar thread, don't beleive anything anyone says about martial arts on the internet, go and try aikido and if you like it, good luck to ya.

I really can't believe that this thread is still going or why you haven't been banned.... relevant to combat sport?? another silly comment, 99% of Aikido isn't sport. Of course you're a troll, all you do is whinge and give out. Who's defending Aikido, I'm not, it's full of arseholes just like every other martial art and I'm not excluding MMA there of course.

You make me laugh though, passed the point of no return... hilarious Have you even tried Aikido? Are you one of these people who did it for a few years then decided is was sh*te? Then I understand, takes me about 5 minutes of watching something before I know if its for me or not, I knew BJJ was for me after about 30 seconds on the mat.

I agree with you though, don't believe anything anyone says about martial arts on the internet.... they could be a spotty kid with a bad attitude sitting in front of their pc all day picking arguments to make themselves feel better, copying and pasting from wiki etc and waiting for their balls to drop

FruitLover wrote: »

In fairness Ted, when's the last time you heard of a riot in Tokyo?

The Kidotai were set up in the early 50's in response to riots
and protest near the Imperial palace. They seen lots of action
in multiple anti-american riots in the late 60's early 70's.

The last major disturbances were soccer hooligans durning the World Cup'02,
there were also some scuffles durning the olympic torch relay earlier this year.

Aikido is a good martial art worthy of respect.
People jumping in and criticising it while talking up their own particular martial are being selfish.
Some systems have been known to sell black belts and I have not heard of this happening in Aikido.

Nothingcompares wrote: »

How dare you. I have never ever copied and pasted from wiki. I am in shock at this personal abuse.

How dare I?? :D:D:D:D:D Oh cringe, who's getting defensive now? It was a general comment and not aimed at anyone in particular.


Martin25, unfortunately that stuff like selling black belts happens in Aikido too, and worse

Nothingcompares wrote: »

for the record i was indignant and the implication I use wikipedia . everything else is spot on

Nothingcompares, I didn't imply anything of the sort, you're being overly sensitive. I don't even know who you are

Oh dear again....FruitLover, bannings happen here and threads get closed by mods mainly because people get very silly, go way off topic and call what other people do sh*te. Nothingcompares knows this is the way of things and I'm sure if you search you'll find posts or stickies by the mods about it.