David Holwell returns to Leinster!

wixfjord · 28-11-2008 05:31PM

Good signing imo. I was a big fan of this guy. Cant see him playing too much tho and itd be very harsh on sexton if he did

Stev_o · 28-11-2008 05:52PM

I forse Sextons contract not being renewed. I heard this rumor on the MF forums yesterday didnt want to post as it seems a big no no

RugbyFanatic · 28-11-2008 06:14PM

I find it quite ridiculous how this early in the season, with only a handful of games under his belt, following on from an excellent season in which he showed up even ROG that people are so eager to throw Sexton to the lions.

Cheika has said he has signed Holwell for backup behind Sexton until Phil or Nacewa are back to fitness. This isn't a distinct lack of faith in Sexton it is merely a shrewd move. Lets say Sexton got injured who would you suggest start for crucial HC and ML game?

I honestly don't see why there is such a campaign against Sexton judge him at the end of the season not at the start ffs he earned that right last season.

It's funny, Sexton was far, far superior to Keatley last season and never received even half the praise Keatley has so far this season. Keatley is overhyped to a laughable degree and whether you like it or not Sexton is the better option. By the way this isn't just my opinion the messiah to many posters that is Declan Kidney seems to agree as well

anonymous_joe · 28-11-2008 06:16PM

I do hope to see Sexton getting the starts, but could be handy for the last 20 minutes of games.

Crash · 28-11-2008 06:21PM

But guys, more importantly, does this mean that after 3 full years, we can start calling stringer a scumbag again over the fake knee to the face incident in holwells final match? I THINK SO!

RugbyFanatic · 28-11-2008 06:23PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Well, he's young alright, but dynamic??? I haven't seen too much to be impressed by yet, the hype is a lot more than the substance to date.

Watch last season? In fairness to Sexton hes only had two bad games this season and its far too early to be able to judge.

BTW, did Contempomi nearly lose a finger or something? Didn't think a small infection would keep him out that long...

Depends I had a friend who got a very bad infection his hand swelled up and wasn't able to use it for a month

Stev_o · 28-11-2008 06:24PM

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

I find it quite ridiculous how this early in the season, with only a handful of games under his belt, following on from an excellent season in which he showed up even ROG that people are so eager to throw Sexton to the lions.

Cheika has said he has signed Holwell for backup behind Sexton until Phil or Nacewa are back to fitness. This isn't a distinct lack of faith in Sexton it is merely a shrewd move. Lets say Sexton got injured who would you suggest start for crucial HC and ML game?

I honestly don't see why there is such a campaign against Sexton judge him at the end of the season not at the start ffs he earned that right last season.

It's funny, Sexton was far, far superior to Keatley last season and never received even half the praise Keatley has so far this season. Keatley is overhyped to a laughable degree and whether you like it or not Sexton is the better option. By the way this isn't just my opinion the messiah to many posters that is Declan Kidney seems to agree as well

You mean following on from a summer tour in the USA with Ireland A where he was a embarrassment with his state of kicking, where the substitute Fly Half Keatley who mostly only got 10 minutes or even less, impressed everyone far more then Sexton.

If Kidney had faith in Sexton he would of been in the 22 for Canada so dont start that nonsense the guy is inconsistent and unless by a miracle he learns to kick he wont get very far.

And btw who was the OH who was playing for Connacht when they beat Leinster? And who was OH for Leinster?

Also i remember a certain tackle by the so called over hyped player you refer on the worlds best 6 who was in for a try.

Crash · 28-11-2008 06:28PM

Just on a note of Sextons kicking, apparently he's had a decent game or two converting penalties for Leinster A. Going on match reports btw, having not seen the games, but still a good sign.

RugbyFanatic · 28-11-2008 06:29PM

Stev_o wrote: »

You mean following on from a summer tour in the USA with Ireland A where he was a embarrassment with his state of kicking, where the substitute Fly Half Keatley who mostly only got 10 minutes or even less, impressed everyone far more then Sexton.

I am sorry but this tour has been blown completely out of proportion. Sexton had a good tour OTHER than his kicking. I feel this needs to be addressed because its been getting out of hand. Keatley played well when he came on but one must remember by the time Keatley came on the opposition would make a rake of changes and he was essentially playing players at a far weaker standard.

If Kidney had faith in Sexton he would of been in the 22 for Canada so dont start that nonsense the guy is inconsistent and unless by a miracle he learns to kick he wont get very far.

More faith in Sexton than he had in Keatley.

And btw who was the OH who was playing for Connacht when they beat Leinster? And who was OH for Leinster? Also i remember a certain tackle by the so called over hyped player you refer on the worlds best 6 who was in for a try.

I have to say I love the notion in this forum that whatever team wins instantly means that the winning teams player is better than his opposite number.

Ireland beat Italy in the six nations therefore Heaslip is a far superior player to Parisse under your logic, well done

Stev_o · 28-11-2008 06:32PM

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

Ireland beat Italy in the six nations therefore Heaslip is a far superior player to Parisse under your logic, well done

Nope your not understanding the logic in this.

Your a better player when you OUTPLAY YOUR OPPOSITE NUMBER not too hard to understand is it? .Keatley outplayed Sexton that match completely and he guided Connacht to victory why didnt Sexton guide Leinster to victory?

And Healsip has never outplayed his opposite number in a Irish jersey to date

Nukem · 28-11-2008 06:42PM

Damn Damn Damn

Regards
Munster Fan:pac:

Always thought this guy should have never left Leinster, he left cause of family commitments i remember. On the flip side what a kick in the teeth of Sexton:mad:

RugbyFanatic · 28-11-2008 07:08PM

Stev_o wrote: »

Nope your not understanding the logic in this.

Your a better player when you OUTPLAY YOUR OPPOSITE NUMBER not too hard to understand is it? .Keatley outplayed Sexton that match completely and he guided Connacht to victory why didnt Sexton guide Leinster to victory?

And Healsip has never outplayed his opposite number in a Irish jersey to date

Sexton outplayed ROG last season is he a better player?

Because surely if a player outplays his opposite number in a single game that means he is a better player?

Lets ignore form over an entire season in which Sexton was far better than Keatley is!

[Jackass] · 28-11-2008 07:17PM

As a die hard Leinster fan I would just like to confirm what a lot of you have been saying for quite some time.

Leinster are a joke.

A sham of a club, run by incompitent twats.

Also, send us a postcard Ian, keep in touch mate.

Stev_o · 28-11-2008 08:49PM

[Jackass] wrote: »

As a die hard Leinster fan I would just like to confirm what a lot of you have been saying for quite some time.

Leinster are a joke.

A sham of a club, run by incompitent twats.

Also, send us a postcard Ian, keep in touch mate.

Jesus Jackass a post of yours which is under 100 words about Leinster im disappointed i was expecting at least a 1000 words dealing with Leinsters new crutch of importing players :P

[Jackass] · 28-11-2008 09:29PM

haha, well since you mention it....

Zzippy · 28-11-2008 09:42PM

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

I find it quite ridiculous how this early in the season, with only a handful of games under his belt, following on from an excellent season in which he showed up even ROG that people are so eager to throw Sexton to the lions.

Cheika has said he has signed Holwell for backup behind Sexton until Phil or Nacewa are back to fitness. This isn't a distinct lack of faith in Sexton it is merely a shrewd move. Lets say Sexton got injured who would you suggest start for crucial HC and ML game?

I honestly don't see why there is such a campaign against Sexton judge him at the end of the season not at the start ffs he earned that right last season.

It's funny, Sexton was far, far superior to Keatley last season and never received even half the praise Keatley has so far this season. Keatley is overhyped to a laughable degree and whether you like it or not Sexton is the better option. By the way this isn't just my opinion the messiah to many posters that is Declan Kidney seems to agree as well

34 posts in and you're the first poster to mention Keatley. The thread had discussed the merits of Sexton and Holwell, and the lack of cover at OH for Leinster, but no one had mentioned Keatley.
But since you did - Sexton has had one season of playing for Leinster, semi-regularly. Still can't get his game when the big games come along. He is 23, 2 years older than Keatley. Keatley is already playing regularly in the ML at 21, and has so far this season been better than Sexton. Doesn't mean he is a better player, you're right, judge it over the season, but I believe that Keatley at his age has far more potential than Sexton did at the same age.

Crash · 29-11-2008 12:39AM

Nukem wrote: »

Damn Damn Damn

Regards
Munster Fan:pac:

Always thought this guy should have never left Leinster, he left cause of family commitments i remember. On the flip side what a kick in the teeth of Sexton:mad:

Hmm for some reason I thought he couldnt get his contract renewed? or am I talking daft?

Podge_irl · 29-11-2008 12:46AM

I think the reason given was that he wanted to return home, but there were mumurings that the PAG simply wouldn't sanction a new contract for him.

RugbyFanatic · 29-11-2008 01:49PM

Zzippy wrote: »

34 posts in and you're the first poster to mention Keatley. The thread had discussed the merits of Sexton and Holwell, and the lack of cover at OH for Leinster, but no one had mentioned Keatley.
But since you did - Sexton has had one season of playing for Leinster, semi-regularly. Still can't get his game when the big games come along. He is 23, 2 years older than Keatley. Keatley is already playing regularly in the ML at 21, and has so far this season been better than Sexton. Doesn't mean he is a better player, you're right, judge it over the season, but I believe that Keatley at his age has far more potential than Sexton did at the same age.

If Keatley was better than Sexton at the same age then Leinster wouldn't have let him go and last time I checked Connacht dont have any Contepomis to challenge Keatley for his position.

by the way did you watch Keatley last night?

Crash · 29-11-2008 03:51PM

RugbyFanatic: quit derailing this thread. If you do it again you'll be banned.

John_C · 30-11-2008 03:55AM

Keatley's much better off getting regular game time for Connacht than sitting on the bench for Leinster A. If the cost of thst is giving 20 mins of gametime (and presumably a few thousand quid) to Holwell, then that's a good deal.

Cuchulain · 30-11-2008 01:03PM

Sorry nevermind

Goodluck2me · 02-12-2008 02:48PM

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

If Keatley was better than Sexton at the same age then Leinster wouldn't have let him go and last time I checked Connacht dont have any Contepomis to challenge Keatley for his position.

by the way did you watch Keatley last night?

But Sexton is two years older, so you're argument doens't make sense. Of course at 23 Sexton is more developed, but at 21 Keatley is behind but more liekly to be refined at 23 than Sexton.
connacht abu, imo.

RugbyFanatic · 02-12-2008 03:38PM

goodluck2me wrote: »

But Sexton is two years older, so you're argument doens't make sense. Of course at 23 Sexton is more developed, but at 21 Keatley is behind but more liekly to be refined at 23 than Sexton.
connacht abu, imo.

What I am saying is Keatley was let go at 21, Sexton was kept on at 21.

conman78 · 02-12-2008 04:15PM

More a case of last in first out on that one 'LIFO'. Have played against both and the former Collidge man is the far better prospect at this stage imo!!
Both still well young, loads of time to develop still and advance their games & confidence. Game time is most important thing to develop that! Think when did David Humphreys break thru?! Remember 'Quick Hands Burke' and him battling for 10 shirt for long time with Ireland!

David Holwell returns to Leinster!

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