Irish joining the British Army, wtf?

28-11-2008 11:30AM

jhegarty wrote: »

So I am racist to not want foreign troops on Irish soil ?

Racist, no. Xenophobic, yes.

Dudess · 28-11-2008 11:31AM

vibes23 wrote: »

Probably the best statement on this tread so far......

I am of the opinon that it is wrong for an irish man to join any foregin army and yes specially the brits, Why ? The troubles !

I know a few dopes will come on saying IRA did this IRA did that, we were at war. People from both sides were effected, thats what happens in a war.

I have a feeling alot of the responces we have seen "livin in the past..." etc are coming from a majority who dont know what there talking about. Also if they new in detail what the british army got up to in the north (Its not that long ago!) you wouldnt be so quick to sign up.

Just my opinon.

Well as I said, I'm quite republican and I'm aware of the appalling atrocities carried out by the British Army in the North but we seriously need to move on. The treachery comments are just fanatical.

r3nu4l · 28-11-2008 11:31AM

mike65 wrote: »

...at least in a professional Army they get some skills and if the army life is for you would you sooner be on active duty around the world or guarding AIB money in a Dublin suburb?

Mairt you're a big mna behind the keyboard there.

Mike

Says the big man sitting behind his keyboard implying that the Irish Army are not professionals :pac:

javaboy · 28-11-2008 11:32AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Racist, no. Xenophobic, yes.

That's not really fair. The British army has a 'colourful' history on Irish soil to say the least. It's not xenophobic to want them out really.

28-11-2008 11:33AM

javaboy wrote: »

That's not really fair. The British army has a 'colourful' history on Irish soil to say the least. It's not xenophobic to want them out really.

ah but in that post he wasn't referring to British soldiers, just 'foreign'.

jhegarty · 28-11-2008 11:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Racist, no. Xenophobic, yes.

No , xenophobic would be if I wanted everyone British to go home. I just asked the soldiers to go home.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 28-11-2008 11:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Racist, no. Xenophobic, yes.

Neither in my opinion.

You know what, and I try to be a little diplomatic about N.I. but at the end of the day if they had fvcked off and left us alone we wouldn't be still dealing with this sh*t in our country.

Believe it or not, almost EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD would see the British military presence in N.I. as that of an invading army. But NOOOO, liberal fvcking Ireland no hasn't got the balls to admit it to ourselves.

Well fvck them, and **** the British presence in my country.

<takes prozac, calms down>

~~~~ahhh, tranquility decends upon Mairt~~~~

r3nu4l · 28-11-2008 11:35AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

people only make videos like this because they have small willies.

Erm, so you've seen these willies then? WTF? Where exactly do you hang out...the toilets in republican bars?

Whatever floats your boat I suppose

seamus · 28-11-2008 11:36AM

There are no British soldiers on our soil. So why are you telling them to go home?

You know what, and I try to be a little diplomatic about N.I. but at the end of the day if they had fvcked off and left us alone we wouldn't be still dealing with this sh*t in our country.

Do you really think that we wouldn't have had 50 years of loyalist terrorism?

We'd have been rightly screwed because we didn't have anything approaching the resources that would have been required to deal with it. The whole country would still be poor and ****ed up to this day.

The British Army ****ed up badly a number of times in NI, but at least it didn't cause the UK or ROI economies any serious harm.

Fratton Fred · 28-11-2008 11:36AM

r3nu4l wrote: »

Many British soldiers themselves would argue this point. The SA-80 standard issue assault rifle is pretty pants

Isn't the latest version quite good though, or is that just me reading Sniper 1 wrong?

r3nu4l wrote: »

I'm a nationalist but ffs, those days are gone. Yes the British Army did some terrible things but you should read some accounts from soldiers who served up north. Michael Asher gives a great account of his time in the Paras (although there are flaws, he insists there was no SAS in NI, the British Government have admitted there was) where he tells how Paras are bred for aggression and battle and that in NI they were like caged animals. He openly states that they were the wrong type of troop for NI and it's clear that the mental strain these guys were under would dehumanise most people.

Being trained to jump out of an aeroplane behind enemy lines and kill as many bad guys as possible before curling your own toes up, isn't exactly the best training for policing a civil rights march in Londonderry, but shooting unarmed civilians is a bit hard to justify.

I don't know any Paras, but I had a few old school friends who served in NI with the royal Hampshires and they hated pretty much everything about the place and the people. its a bit hard to have any fondness for people when pretty much everyone from both sides of the divide is throwing petrol bombs at you.

Dudess · 28-11-2008 11:37AM

Mairt wrote: »

Believe it or not, almost EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD would see the British military presence in N.I. as that of an invading army. But NOOOO, liberal fvcking Ireland no hasn't got the balls to admit it to ourselves.

Well fvck them, and **** the British presence in my country.

But it's in Britain, Mairt. I want a united Ireland too but the reality is, N.I. is part of the United Kingdom, whatever your ideology.

Fratton Fred · 28-11-2008 11:38AM

r3nu4l wrote: »

Erm, so you've seen these willies then? WTF? Where exactly do you hang out...the toilets in republican bars? Whatever floats your boat I suppose

just doing my bit for Queen and country, taking one for the team so to speak

r3nu4l · 28-11-2008 11:39AM

loz wrote: »

Is the Union Flag unless flown on a ship you thick mick

Hmm, most British people don't even know that (I know because I delight in pointing out their ignorance of it

) so before you start slagging Irish people for not knowing it you'd do well to begin educating the British people first.

Dudess · 28-11-2008 11:39AM

Precisely. I'm sure British people are more than informed on the various semiotics of the tricolour, and I'm sure they'd find it more than reasonable to be referred to as "thick" should they slip up on any of it...

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Being trained to jump out of an aeroplane behind enemy lines and kill as many bad guys as possible before curling your own toes up, isn't exactly the best training for policing a civil rights march in Londonderry Derry

Fixed your post there, dude.

Apparently unionists don't even refer to Derry as Londonderry - only if they're trying to piss off nationalists.

Caoimhín · 28-11-2008 11:39AM

And buried in Killarney.

Fratton Fred · 28-11-2008 11:40AM

Mairt wrote: »

Neither in my opinion.

You know what, and I try to be a little diplomatic about N.I. but at the end of the day if they had fvcked off and left us alone we wouldn't be still dealing with this sh*t in our country.

Believe it or not, almost EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD would see the British military presence in N.I. as that of an invading army. But NOOOO, liberal fvcking Ireland no hasn't got the balls to admit it to ourselves.

Well fvck them, and **** the British presence in my country.

<takes prozac, calms down>

~~~~ahhh, tranquility decends upon Mairt~~~~

Metaphorically speaking I hope:eek:

<slowly backs into a corner away from Mairt >

Caoimhín · 28-11-2008 11:42AM

Some say he rose again, he rose again, he rose again.

28-11-2008 11:42AM

Mairt wrote: »

Neither in my opinion.

You know what, and I try to be a little diplomatic about N.I. but at the end of the day if they had fvcked off and left us alone we wouldn't be still dealing with this sh*t in our country.

Believe it or not, almost EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD would see the British military presence in N.I. as that of an invading army. But NOOOO, liberal fvcking Ireland no hasn't got the balls to admit it to ourselves.

Well fvck them, and **** the British presence in my country.

<takes prozac, calms down>

~~~~ahhh, tranquility decends upon Mairt~~~~

Remind me never to troll the Military forum.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 28-11-2008 11:43AM

Dudess wrote: »

But it's in Britain, Mairt. I want a united Ireland too but the reality is, N.I. is part of the United Kingdom, whatever your ideology.

Honestly, I don't care. I really don't.

Deep down, and I'm being very sincere here, deep down in my heart it really kills me to think we've sold out. I honestly feel N.I. is our's.

And I listen to reasoned debate on it, and I also know that sometimes its an irrational feeling. But its ours and thats how I feel, it honestly it.

I think I'll back out of this one now, because I can feel the anger growing and I know people won't understand whats in my heart.

cornbb · 28-11-2008 11:43AM

I don't have any qualms with Irish people joining the British army from a patriotic point of view but I think anyone joining any army involved in a serious shooting war needs their head examined. Same with any of the posters here that thinks getting dismembered by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan is a better career choice than guarding Securicor vans.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 28-11-2008 11:45AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Remind me never to troll the Military forum.

If by that you mean to say I'm throlling here, I'm not. I'm on a rant, someone pushed the right button (its green, white and orange

) and I'm mad..

:P

Hagar · 28-11-2008 11:46AM

r3nu4l wrote: »

I'm a nationalist but ffs, those days are gone.

Dudess wrote: »

Well as I said, I'm quite republican and I'm aware of the appalling atrocities carried out by the British Army in the North but we seriously need to move on.

I must disagree. The time is now. Nationalism and Republicanism shouldn't be defined in term of being anti-British or anti-anything for that matter, it should be a positive assertion of the aspirations of the people of a nation to achieve a level of self-belief and self-reliance. I'm not talking about the socialist dream. It's not socialist to want life to be better for the next generation, not just my kids but my friends, and neighbours' kids as well.

My 2c.

javaboy · 28-11-2008 11:46AM

Mairt wrote: »

If by that you mean to say I'm throlling here, I'm not. I'm on a rant, someone pushed the right button (its green, white and orange ) and I'm mad..

:P

Ah I don't think he's saying you're trolling. He's just saying that if he ever trolls in Military, he's afraid you might kill him.

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Rowley Birkin QC · 28-11-2008 11:46AM

For those wondering about the French Foreign Legion this is well worth a watch;

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6777372516104300363

I interviewed for both the Army Cadets and Air Corps cadets after I left school, twice for Air Corps actually. The resources given to the Irish Air Corps is relative to their role but they are a totally professional outfit.

At that time flying military air planes was what I wanted to do but the thought of having to do that with a British flag on my arm, i.e. take the next option and try joining the RAF (not withstanding citizenship restrictions on being a pilot with them), really wasn't an option.

I know it might be considered backward but like Dudess says I would consider myself a Nationalist, not the Celtic Jersey wearing rabble that wrecked O'Connel St. last year but a Nationalist none the less.

Dudess · 28-11-2008 11:47AM

Hagar wrote: »

I must disagree. The time is now. Nationalism and Republicanism shouldn't be defined in term of being anti-British or anti-anything for that matter, it should be a positive assertion of the aspirations of the people of a nation to achieve a level of self-belief and self-reliance. I'm not talking about the socialist dream. It's not socialist to want life to be better for the next generation, not just my kids but my friends, and neighbours' kids as well.

My 2c.

Well nationalist/republican in the context of the Northern Ireland question have a very specific meaning.

Caoimhín · 28-11-2008 11:47AM

Mairt wrote: »

If by that you mean to say I'm throlling here, I'm not. I'm on a rant, someone pushed the right button (its green, white and orange ) and I'm mad..

:P

Chillax Mairt, its Friday, the weekend is here and its sunny.

You see its all good, no need to get ones knickers in a twist. The north is a poxy kiphole anyway.

28-11-2008 11:48AM

Mairt wrote: »

If by that you mean to say I'm throlling here, I'm not. I'm on a rant, someone pushed the right button (its green, white and orange ) and I'm mad..

:P

No..

I mean remind me never to get on your bad side.

You've got guns

r3nu4l · 28-11-2008 11:48AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Isn't the latest version quite good though, or is that just me reading Sniper 1 wrong?

Yeah but my understanding is that there are still lots of the old ones about (or at least that's what 'serving soldier representatives' are saying), probably luck of the draw as to whether a serving soldier gets a newer or older one :eek:

Being trained to jump out of an aeroplane behind enemy lines and kill as many bad guys as possible before curling your own toes up, isn't exactly the best training for policing a civil rights march in Londonderry, but shooting unarmed civilians is a bit hard to justify.

Yep, Para training in particular is quite brutal by all accounts. It really is the old 'break them down and then build them how you want them to be' school of training. In the case of the paras, they want vicious attack dogs that are 'utrinque paratus'. Not exactly the kind of soldier to use when you are trying to 'win the hearts and minds of the people'.

grahamo · 28-11-2008 11:49AM

So Irish lads want to join the Brit army...So what? its been going on for hundreds of years. They are just ordinary young men looking for a job and a bit of excitement. Plus see a bit of the world. Calling them traitors is F***ing ridiculous.

Irish joining the British Army, wtf?

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